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Oath Keepers On Their Way To 'Protect' KY Clerk Kim Davis From US Marshals

I expect to see much more of this kind of thing as the proponents of the homosexual agenda continue their campaign against religious believers. Obergefell is going to lead to serious fights over the fundamental right to the free exercise of religion, as the Chief Justice discussed in his dissenting opinion. A due process "right" was cooked up by Anthony Kennedy and four others who share his disdain for the Constitution, and forced upon 70% of the states by a strident minority which so far had been widely tolerated. That new, ginned-up "right" has been set on a collision course with a real, solid gold First Amendment right that is as fundamental as any we enjoy, and one the large majority of Americans who are neither atheists nor homosexuals do not take lightly.

The last time the Supreme Court sharply narrowed its interpretation of the right to free exercise, 25 years ago in Employment Division v. Smith, it provoked so much concern that the decision led directly to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993. The RFRA restores the very demanding standard for government actions that substantially affect the right to free exercise the Court had applied in two cases from 1963 and 1972, and it passed both Houses of Congress by very large majorities. The RFRA was the basis for the decision last year in the Hobby Lobby case, in which the Court held an Obamacare rule on contraceptives invalid.

The strong support for the RFRA and the Court's demonstrated willingness to apply its demanding standard tells me this is still quite a religious nation, and that believers are willing to fight for their beliefs. I will not be surprised if there is widespread defiance of the arbitrary, flagrantly unconstitutional dictate in Obergefell. The Supreme Court can crow all it wants about the supremacy of its decisions over the states, as it did in Cooper v. Aaron in 1958, for example--but in the end it has no power to force any state to abide by any of those decisions. The People are the final check on lawless rule.

As Justice Scalia wrote at the end of his dissenting opinion in Obergefell,

Hubris is sometimes defined as o’erweening pride; and pride, we know, goeth before a fall. The Judiciary is the “least dangerous” of the federal branches because it has“neither Force nor Will, but merely judgment; and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm” and the States, “even for the efficacy of its judgments.”[quoting A. Hamilton from Federalist No. 78]. With each decision of ours that takes from the People a question properly left to them—with each decision that is unabashedly based not on law, but on the “reasoned judgment” of a bare majority of this Court—we move one step closer to being reminded of our impotence.
 
They did solicit several white supremacist orgs and believe it or not anyone of any race can be a white supremacist because race is a myth.

And I suppose members of ISIS can be Christians, too, because religion is only a social construct. Your assertion is gobbledygook that would do Anthony Kennedy proud, and I do not believe it. Sounds like the kind of pap I used to hear the local commie prattle in late night bull sessions in my dorm, as he wiped the pizza grease from his fingers on his scraggly whiskers.
 
Because they're masquerading as a "defend the constitution" group.

SOMEONE has to defend the Constitution against the millions of anti-American lumps now taking up space in this country, or we're all bound for hell on a greased sled.
 
Because they're masquerading as a "defend the constitution" group.

Are you going to produce any evidence, or continue to make **** up? My money's on the latter. ;)
 
And I suppose members of ISIS can be Christians, too, because religion is only a social construct. Your assertion is gobbledygook that would do Anthony Kennedy proud, and I do not believe it. Sounds like the kind of pap I used to hear the local commie prattle in late night bull sessions in my dorm, as he wiped the pizza grease from his fingers on his scraggly whiskers.

Religion and race are incomparable but Im even more impressed with the ability squeeze in a reference to communism. Are you one of those people who claim an African American cop cannot be racist towards African Americans?
 
Religion and race are incomparable but Im even more impressed with the ability squeeze in a reference to communism. Are you one of those people who claim an African American cop cannot be racist towards African Americans?

I am one of those people leftist dim bulbs love to try to debate. And I love to see them try. Now stick to the topic.
 

Soooo, someone on Stormfront posted a link to Oath Keepers in 2009. What exactly does that prove? I'm sure the Stormfronters weren't too excited when they saw this.
Oath Keepers come in all colors, shapes, sizes, ages, and backgrounds with one common bond – the oath to defend the Constitution. If you take your oath seriously, and believe in defending the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, and of whatever political party (there are oath breakers galore in both major parties), and if you stand for the rights of all Americans, at all times, then you are one of us. Join us. We need your help to preserve liberty for our children and grand-children, and for all Americans.

I thought you said they solicited white supremacist orgs.
 
The police bombed people in Philadelphia in 1985.

Were those B-1's or B-52's those police used? How many tons of ordnance did they drop, and how many sorties did they make? 500 lb. bombs, or 2,000 lb.?
 
SOMEONE has to defend the Constitution against the millions of anti-American lumps now taking up space in this country, or we're all bound for hell on a greased sled.

Quit running your mouth, strap on your gun and get to it. Don't you know boy, talk is cheap, and that seems to be all you do. :lamo
 
"The Oath Keepers.....has told Kim Davis' legal counsel that they would be willing to "protect" the anti-gay marriage Kentucky clerk from being detained by the U.S. Marshals Service."

If this was a group of Muslims or African Americans would our reaction as a nation be the same? Does it not appear to be a proclamation about armed resistance in response to law enforcement doing their job? Do you think people would claim the offer of "protection" is a threat of violence if the Oath Keepers were of a different race and religion?

Oath Keepers On Their Way To 'Protect' KY Clerk Kim Davis From US Marshals

I have no problem with armed civilians creating pockets of stability where the police have given rioters "room to destroy".

But deliberately traveling to get into armed confrontations with US Marshals is a very different bucket of fish. The Oathkeepers were founded to get people to refuse to violate the Constitution, not get into gunfights to protect someone from getting arrested.
 
Soooo, someone on Stormfront posted a link to Oath Keepers in 2009. What exactly does that prove? I'm sure the Stormfronters weren't too excited when they saw this.

I thought you said they solicited white supremacist orgs.

Pretty sure if you read through the thread you will see it is not as cut and dry.

Then there was:

Ferguson's Most Visible Oath Keeper Just Quit and Started a Splinter Group

Then the mulatto case from a chapter president.

One aspect to be mindful of is this is not 1864 and even racists are smart enough to know you cannot lead with overt racism and if you look at the differences between the Bundy and Ferguson deals it should be somewhat obvious.
 
I have no problem with armed civilians creating pockets of stability where the police have given rioters "room to destroy".

But deliberately traveling to get into armed confrontations with US Marshals is a very different bucket of fish. The Oathkeepers were founded to get people to refuse to violate the Constitution, not get into gunfights to protect someone from getting arrested.

This has and will continue to brew because too often the policies of our government rely on violence so it is only logical the citizens would create a mirrored response.
 
Quit running your mouth, strap on your gun and get to it. Don't you know boy, talk is cheap, and that seems to be all you do. :lamo

This is a debating website, and words are what is used here. If you have something to say about the constitutional rights involved in the topic of this thread, please say it.
 
Were those B-1's or B-52's those police used? How many tons of ordnance did they drop, and how many sorties did they make? 500 lb. bombs, or 2,000 lb.?

It was an explosive charge that was hand-dropped off a helicopter.

PHILADELPHIA, May 13, 1985— A state police helicopter this evening dropped a bomb on a house occupied by an armed group after a 24-hour siege involving gun battles...

The Police Commissioner, Gregore Sambor, said tonight that it was was his decision to drop the charge, a square package of explosives designed to destroy a bunker atop the house and drop it through to the second floor. He said the charge succeeded in eliminating the threat from the roof, but touched off the fire....

A Fire Department officer at the scene this evening had said houses burned on both sides of the street in the 6200 block of Osage Avenue, where the Move headquarters was situated, and houses in the block behind it on Pine Street.

The Mayor, when asked why the bomb was dropped, said, ''It was an attempt to remove the bunker,'' the structure on the roof of the house.

He repeatedly took responsibility for the outcome, although he said he had given his department heads complete freedom to decide on the tactics they thought best. ''As Mayor of this city I accept full and total responsibility,'' Mr. Goode said. ''There was no way to avoid it. No way to extract ourselves from that situation except by armed confrontation.''...

Commissioner Sambor said the bomb was dropped to flush out people who were firing at the police. ''If you were in a firefight and the opposition held the higher ground,'' he said, ''what would you do?''

So.... they used paramilitary techniques against the police, who then used a paramilitary technique against them in return.
 
This has and will continue to brew because too often the policies of our government rely on violence so it is only logical the citizens would create a mirrored response.

No, it will continue due to the balkanization of information and the tendency of groupthink to push all members to extreme positions.
 
Pretty sure if you read through the thread you will see it is not as cut and dry.

Then there was:

Ferguson's Most Visible Oath Keeper Just Quit and Started a Splinter Group

Then the mulatto case from a chapter president.

One aspect to be mindful of is this is not 1864 and even racists are smart enough to know you cannot lead with overt racism and if you look at the differences between the Bundy and Ferguson deals it should be somewhat obvious.

So basically, you've got a couple of instances of usurpers attempting to co-opt . Other than that, nuthin'.

White supremacist groups don't hide the fact they are racist. Just look at some of the links American Spartan posts. They all talk about the importance of preserving "white culture". Oath Keepers has none of that, and has a lot of members of color. You seem to be grasping at straws.
 
It was an explosive charge that was hand-dropped off a helicopter.



So.... they used paramilitary techniques against the police, who then used a paramilitary technique against them in return.

From the article:

"The fire spread to 50 to 60 other houses in the neighborhood,"

Makes TOTAL sense!!!
 
Meanwhile this billboard is going up in her hometown..


kimdavisbillboard.webp


awesome!
 
From the article:

"The fire spread to 50 to 60 other houses in the neighborhood,"

Makes TOTAL sense!!!

:shrug: I suppose so. Likely houses were crowded, and apparently the weather was dry, with a good stiff wind.
 
Literally the Token Black Guy Argument. :lamo

Liberal playbook rule one when things don't go your way: play the race card.

Pssssssst.... Its a losing hand.
 
:shrug: I suppose so. Likely houses were crowded, and apparently the weather was dry, with a good stiff wind.

Because without that bomb being dropped and burning 50+ houses there was no way to end the stand off.
 
So basically, you've got a couple of instances of usurpers attempting to co-opt . Other than that, nuthin'.

White supremacist groups don't hide the fact they are racist. Just look at some of the links American Spartan posts. They all talk about the importance of preserving "white culture". Oath Keepers has none of that, and has a lot of members of color. You seem to be grasping at straws.

There are supremacists who are proud of their position and there are supremacists who choose a more politically friendly path.
 
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