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[MAGAnificent]

I asked a question.

And I ask again.... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

Why not? Just leave out the mandate.

No it didn't happen. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a known fallacy.

Herd immunity comes with somewhere in the neighborhood of 85 to 90% of the population becoming immune to a particular virus or variant by way of vaccines or natural immunity from having had the virus. In regard to the first two and most deadly Covid variants, that was gained. That is why the pandemic was declared over.

I don't care because it was irrelevant to maintaining the healthiest fighting force at the time.

Obviously, you want mandates.

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

A question you continue to sidestep.

Again, why not Covid (assuming you mean the covid vaccines)? Just leave out the mandates. Oh wait! We ultimately did!

 

[Fledermaus]

Why not? Just leave out the mandate.

That's not how the military works.

Herd immunity comes with somewhere in the neighborhood of 85 to 90% of the population becoming immune to a particular virus or variant by way of vaccines or natural immunity from having had the virus. In regard to the first two and most deadly Covid variants, that was gained. That is why the pandemic was declared over.

.
Please share where it was declared
Herd immunity had been reached.

Obviously, you want mandates.

Obviously I recognize mandates are often needed.

Again, why not Covid (assuming you mean the covid vaccines)? Just leave out the mandates. Oh wait! We ultimately did!

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Please share where it was declared
Herd immunity had been reached.

When the pandemic ended. or do you think it's still ongoing?

Obviously I recognize mandates are often needed.

Okay. Mandate yourself to keep getting the vaccines. I will do the same. Fair enough?

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

 

[Fledermaus]

When the pandemic ended. or do you think it's still ongoing?

Okay. Mandate yourself to keep getting the vaccines. I will do the same. Fair enough?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

When the pandemic ended. Or do you think it is still ongoing?

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

 

[jaeger19]

I think vaccines are important. I just do not agree with vaccine mandates. You will justhave to live with that.

No. You?

So if troops shouldn’t be allowed to decide to do physical training or not. Because physical training is important for combat readiness.

And if vaccines are important for combat readiness , why should the troops be allowed to decide whether to be vaccinated.?

Please answer the question.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Most of the deaths happened during Biden's leadership.

In fact, just Biden's first year killed more people than Trump's entire term.

But Trump could have, and should have, done better. For sure.

That’s because Biden inherited the country in the grips of it. The vaccine wasn’t distributed and in arms midnight, January 21. Looking at the actions of the Trump admin and the Biden admin in terms of trying to fight it, it’s not even close.

 

[MAGAnificent]

So if troops shouldn’t be allowed to decide to do physical training or not. Because physical training is important for combat readiness.

Who is saying the troops should be able to opt out on physical training?

And if vaccines are important for combat readiness , why should the troops be allowed to decide whether to be vaccinated.?

Vaccines should be offered and recommended. Mandating is another matter. We do not need 100% compliance for herd immunity. And even if every soldier had taken the Covid vaccine, it would not have prevented some from contracting Covid.

Please answer the question.

Please accept that we are not in the midst of a pandemic.

 

[jaeger19]

Who is saying the troops should be able to opt out on physical training?

Again if troops shouldn’t be allowed to opt out of physical training as it’s necessary for troop combat readiness.
Why should they be allowed to opt out of vaccines as they are necessary for combat effectiveness?

Vaccines should be offered and recommended. Mandating is another matter. We do not need 100% compliance for herd immunity.

For covid, you would need close to 99% compliance in the total us population for anything resembling herd immunity.

And the us doesn’t have close to that in its population.
Thus for combat effectiveness all soldiers need to be vaccinated , not decide on their own

And even if every soldier had taken the Covid vaccine, it would not have prevented some from contracting Covid.

Exactly which is why for combat readiness 100% compliance is necessary.

Please accept that we are not in the midst of a pandemic.

Doesn’t matter. Covid is still killing about 350 people a week in the us.
A surge of covid in our military could decrease our combat effectiveness at a critical time. Like in conflict with Iran.

 

[Fledermaus]

When the pandemic ended. Or do you think it is still ongoing?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

And your avoidance is noted.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Again if troops shouldn’t be allowed to opt out of physical training as it’s necessary for troop combat readiness.

Why should they be allowed to opt out of vaccines as they are necessary for combat effectiveness?

No, the covid vaccines are not.

For covid, you would need close to 99% compliance in the total us population for anything resembling herd immunity.

False.

And the us doesn’t have close to that in its population.

And never will.

Thus for combat effectiveness all soldiers need to be vaccinated , not decide on their own

You would make a great authoritarian.

Exactly which is why for combat readiness 100% compliance is necessary.

False.

Doesn’t matter. Covid is still killing about 350 people a week in the us.

In a population of roughly 340 million, 350 a week is certainly not a pandemic. I'd bet we lose that many or more per week from the flu.

A surge of covid in our military could decrease our combat effectiveness at a critical time. Like in conflict with Iran.

In the midst of a pandemic, perhaps. At this point in time, covid has mutated down to the point where it is no more of an issue than the common flu.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

When the pandemic ended. Your little buddy Joe Biden declared the pandemic was over, well before he bragged about finally beating Medicare in his debate with Trump.

And your avoidance is noted.

What avoidance?

 

[Fledermaus]

When the pandemic ended. Your little buddy Joe Biden declared the pandemic was over, well before he bragged about finally beating Medicare in his debate with Trump.

What avoidance?

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

When the pandemic ended.

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

 

[jaeger19]

No, the covid vaccines are not.

Of course they are. An outbreak of covid could hurt combat effectiveness.

False.

Completely true. But you go ahead and explain the science to us. Be sure to include the chance of break through infections, waning immunity and the effect of mutation.
Lmao.

And never will.

Because of the antivaxxers it’s true. People like you

You would make a great authoritarian.

Because I want a strong military?
Am I an authoritarian for thinking the troops shouldn’t be allowed to decide if they want to do physical training or weapons training?
Please explain.

YOU STATED THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO DO PHYSICAL TRAINING.
That would make you an “authoritarian “ would it not?

False.

True.

In a population of roughly 340 million, 350 a week is certainly not a pandemic. I'd bet we lose that many or more per week from the flu.

Now. Covid is still higher
“The percentage of overall deaths that were caused by COVID last week was 0.7% (down slightly from 0.8%), similar to the 0.6% level for flu.”
But since you mentioned influenza.
You do know that the military has mandated flu vaccination right?

• DoD Policy: The Department of Defense (DoD) requires all service members to receive the flu vaccine.
• Maintaining Readiness: Vaccination is considered crucial for maintaining individual medical readiness (IMR), especially for those involved in deployments or permanent change of station (PCS) moves.
• Service-Specific Guidelines: Each branch of the military administers the vaccine according to its own guidelines and regulations.
• Exemptions: Exemptions may be granted for medical or religious reasons.
• Consequences of Refusal: While the exact consequences of refusal can vary, failure to comply with mandatory vaccination requirements can lead to disciplinary actions or impact one's military career.

In the midst of a pandemic, perhaps. At this point in time, covid has mutated down to the point where it is no more of an issue than the common flu.

See above. The department of defense mandates influenza vaccination as it’s an important component of combat readiness.

Please explain the science of why the department of defense is wrong .

 

[Fledermaus]

When the pandemic ended.

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

Did the CDC say so? WHO? Anyone?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

Avoidance noted.

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Please share where it was declared herd immunity had been reached.

When the pandemic ended.

Did the CDC say so? WHO? Anyone?

Your little buddy Dementia Joey Biden declared the pandemic over. That in effect is herd immunity.

Avoidance noted.

What avoidance?

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Of course they are. An outbreak of covid could hurt combat effectiveness.

So could the common cold.

Completely true. But you go ahead and explain the science to us. Be sure to include the chance of break through infections, waning immunity and the effect of mutation.
Lmao.

You do realize the pandemic is over, don't you?

Because of the antivaxxers it’s true. People like you

I am pro-vaxx...just anti-mandate. But then you know that.

Because I want a strong military?

We have a very strong military. the best in the world.

Am I an authoritarian for thinking the troops shouldn’t be allowed to decide if they want to do physical training or weapons training?
Please explain.

You are an authoritarian because you insisted on vaccine mandates. You would push such mandates on the general population as well if you could.

YOU STATED THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO DO PHYSICAL TRAINING.

They make the choice to do physical and weapons training when they enlist. Otherwise, what's the point?

That would make you an “authoritarian “ would it not?

No. It would not.

 

[Fledermaus]

When the pandemic ended.

Your little buddy Dementia Joey Biden declared the pandemic over. That in effect is herd immunity.

What avoidance?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

Who declared herd immunity had been reached?

Declaring the pandemic over =/= Herd immunity.

Avoidance noted.

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Who declared herd immunity had been reached?

Your little buddy Dementia Joey Biden.

Declaring the pandemic over =/= Herd immunity.

Pandemics are not declared over unless herd immunity is reached.

Avoidance noted.

What avoidance?

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

 

[Fledermaus]

Your little buddy Dementia Joey Biden.

No he didn't.

Pandemics are not declared over unless herd immunity is reached.

Please share where this rule is ensconced.

What avoidance?

Intentional ignorance.

We are not in the midst of a pandemic. Relax.

Another avoidance.

The question was ... Why not COVID especially in the midst of a pandemic?

 

[jaeger19]

So could the common cold.

Bingo.

You do realize the pandemic is over, don't you?

So what? First, the mandate came down DURING the pandemic when it was really needed for combat effectiveness
And just like influenza the DoD now mandates covid vaccine to maintain combat effectiveness even though there is no pandemic of influenza or covid.

I am pro-vaxx...just anti-mandate. D But then you know that.

Nahh, we know that’s bs.
Because you are not anti mandate . Yyou are anti vaxx
Look at you waffle all over the place with this latest set of questions regarding the the military.
You have ZERO problem with the military MANDATING physical standards and MANDATING physical training.

So no. You aren’t anti mandate.

We have a very strong military. the best in the world.

In part because we mandate our soldiers stay in good physical condition which includes physical training and vaccination

You are an authoritarian because you insisted on vaccine mandates. You would push such mandates on the general population as well if you could.

You would be in the same boat because you insist on mandating physical standards and physical training on the military.
Explain how mandating physical training for military health is not authoritarian while mandating a vaccine for military health is.

Lmao.

They make the choice to do physical and weapons training when they enlist. Otherwise, what's the point?

They make the choice to accept the vaccinations that the dod orders when they enlist as well.

No. It would not.

Well then explain.
You support mandating the military having physical standards and physical training.
Explain how those mandates are not authoritarian
But mandating a vaccine to ensure their help is authoritarian.

Are you against mandates? Well no you’ve shown you aren’t against mandates.
You are against the vaccine.

What does that make you??
It’s okay, you can say it, we all know it lmao

But you go ahead , let’s hear YOUR rationale on the difference in mandating.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Look at you waffle all over the place with this latest set of questions regarding the the military.

Says someone who is silly enough to think an individual who has probably taken more vaccines than you ever will is anti-vaccine.

You have ZERO problem with the military MANDATING physical standards and MANDATING physical training.

I have no problems whatsoever with mandating pysical training in the military.

So no. You aren’t anti mandate.

I am quite okay with mandating that we obey all traffic laws, pay our taxes, etc.

In part because we mandate our soldiers stay in good physical condition which includes physical training and vaccination

Well, physical training anyway.

They make the choice to accept the vaccinations that the dod orders when they enlist as well.

Not the experimental vaccines like Covid was at the time.

You support mandating the military having physical standards and physical training.

Again, I certainly do.

Explain how those mandates are not authoritarian

We have a voluntary military. I knew when I enlisted that physical training was a part of it. Otherwise, what's the point?

But mandating a vaccine to ensure their help is authoritarian.

Like it or not, I believe vaccines should be a choice. I did not turn any down.

Are you against mandates? Well no you’ve shown you aren’t against mandates.

You are twisting yourself like a pretzel.

You are against the vaccine.

That is not an intelligent claim. Are you sure you are in the medical profession?

 

[jaeger19]

Says someone who is silly enough to think an individual who has probably taken more vaccines than you ever will is anti-vaccine.

We have your posts.

I have no problems whatsoever with mandating pysical training in the military.

Exactly . And by your definition you are not against mandates and are thus authoritarian
Unless you care to explain.

I am quite okay with mandating that we obey all traffic laws, pay our taxes, etc.

Bingo

Well, physical training anyway.

Not the experimental vaccines like Covid was at the time.

AHA. And there is the anti vaxxer we all know and love.
It was not distributed to the general public as an “ experimental vaccine “
Nor is it now.
That is anti vaxxers bs. Right there.

Again, I certainly do.

We have a voluntary military. I knew when I enlisted that physical training was a part of it. Otherwise, what's the point?

As was and is vaccination. Why do you keep missing the point.? Oh that’s right, shoots your argument right in the foot.

Like it or not, I believe vaccines should be a choice. I did not turn any down.

And why should they be a choice in the military when physical PT is not.?
And in anticipation, there are certainly way more military personnel injured during physical training than Covid vaccination.

You are twisting yourself like a pretzel.

No. You’ve twisted yourself into a pretzel.
Let’s hear you explain how mandating physical training is okay with you.
But mandating a covid vaccine is not?
You’ve clearly made the point you don’t mind the mandating.
So?
What are you against?
What does that make you???

That is not an intelligent claim. Are you sure you are in the medical profession?

yeah quite sure as anyone here with actual medical knowledge can attest .

Come on… you don’t have a problem with mandates . So what are you against???

 

[MAGAnificent]

We have your posts.

Ahh. The ole "We have your posts" taunt. I wondered when you would be showing up again.

Exactly . And by your definition you are not against mandates and are thus authoritarian
Unless you care to explain.

You really are an all or nothing individual, huh?

AHA. And there is the anti vaxxer we all know and love.

No anti-vaxxer here. I have likely take far more vaccine jabs then you have.

And why should they be a choice in the military when physical PT is not.?

Because one is necessary for the battlefield. The other is not.

Let’s hear you explain how mandating physical training is okay with you.

Because without it, you cannot be a soldier.

yeah quite sure as anyone here with actual medical knowledge can attest .

Well, if you did not have so much difficulty distinguishing between anti-vaccine and anti-mandate, I would think you had you have the clear headedness and mindset to be involved in the medical profession.

Come on… you don’t have a problem with mandates . So what are you against???

Just the mandates that are unnecessary. I am also against mandated health insurance. Though we have already had that discussion.