NYT: Trump’s ‘Great National Infrastructure Program’? Stalled [W:258]

[Dittohead not!]

Okay, I suppose half a truth is better than none...

If the Obamacare debacle is corrected with a rational plan, a trillion dollars will be freed to use in a tax reform plan.

Whether the healthcare is passed or not is first step of many, but the rest will depend on this out come.

Is this too hard to grasp?

The difficult thing to grasp is how you can possibly think that the ACA is costing a trillion dollars. That would amount to about 3,300 per person. Total spending on health care in around 9 grand per head. Such a figure would mean that the ACA added over 30% to the total cost of health care.

I really don't believe you can back up such a figure. Spending on health care actually leveled off a bit when the ACA was passed.

 

[NeverTrump]

Well, this is the same game plan the establishment is using in every Trump proposal, isn't it?

Everyone in both political parties and everyone who lives within 100m miles of DC is against Trump.

Why is everyone opposing him regardless of party affiliation or previously stated positions on particular ideas?

Almost make you think there are powerful forces who hate outsiders: Democrat Party, Republican Party and the Press all seem to be a tad annoyed by Trump.

In my mind, anyone who has all three of these groups upset is probably doing things I want to have done.

So you just want people annoyed all the time?? What a great country.

 

[Greenbeard]

The difficult thing to grasp is how you can possibly think that the ACA is costing a trillion dollars. That would amount to about 3,300 per person. Total spending on health care in around 9 grand per head. Such a figure would mean that the ACA added over 30% to the total cost of health care.

I really don't believe you can back up such a figure. Spending on health care actually leveled off a bit when the ACA was passed.

If you use a long enough time horizon, anything can cost anything you want.

 

[haymarket]

Trump’s ‘Great National Infrastructure Program’? Stalled


There are some interesting takeaways from this article.

1: Trump dropped the ball...


2. Ineptitude:


3. Plan relies upon private partners:


4. Reps don't want to be bipartisan:

Gee whiz Wally... its absolutely unbelievable that the one thing Trump got right during the campaign promise litany is never going to happen.

But tax cuts for the rich will still find a way however.

 

[VanceMack]

Anyone that says they don't see a difference to the reporting in the past few administrations, I would not trust.

ANYONE that says they don't see a difference is a liar.


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[radcen]

4. Reps don't want to be bipartisan:

Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, is skeptical of wedding a tax overhaul and infrastructure — or of any deal that would require him to compromise with Democrats.

Oh... my... God... we can't have that.

:roll: Seriously... :roll:

 

[radcen]

For the record, "excellent presidential performance" for Trump supporters means anything that gets liberals mad, even if it hurts them financially. West Virginia is a state that voted 70% for Trump. It's also a state that has 35% of residents on Medicaid. Trumpcare slashes Medicaid and will hurt the very voters that elected him -- and I suspect they still will support him because he pisses off liberals. If so, their belief that liberals look down on them and think they're stupid is well deserved.

*sigh* It does seem that that's the most important thing anymore... never mind getting anything done, just piss off the other side.

 

[radcen]

1. He probably just said it because it sounded good at the moment.

2. If it's stalled, that's probably a good thing. We'd most likely end up turning a lot of our highways into toll roads. My commute is bad enough without paying some political donor five bucks a day for the privilege.

Seriously. If toll roads are involved I'm not interested.

 

[minnie616]

I posted this on another thread:
........

As far as politics goes it is very sad to me we can't agree that most of us really do want want our our country to be a peaceful and successful country to live in, different ideologies just disagree what needs to be done to achieve our goal.

Perhaps part of it is media playing up our differences of ideology instead of encouraging the art of compromise.

When President Trump was elected I was hoping that both parties could work together getting an infustructure program for our country since President Trump , republicans , and democrats, all seemed to agree that our countries bridges , roads and
Electrical grid all needed to be upgraded.

 

[JasperL]

Anyone that says they don't see a difference to the reporting in the past few administrations, I would not trust.

First of all, I'll just note that there is NO evidence the NYT or any other outlet is any more or less reliable than it was 20 or 40 years ago. You asserted some difference as fact, and you're wrong about that. There is no reason at all to believe that if the NYT says, "WH official said..." that they made that up. Could be the WH official is lying - especially true with the Trump admin - but not that the reporter invented the quote.

In this case you dismissed the story because you didn't like what it says, but can't point to any part of it that you suspect is false or misleading. It's attack the messenger, and it's nonsense.

As to your comment above, I just said there was a difference - we have a uniquely unqualified POTUS, ignorant of the issues, with a personality unsuited for the job, and who has an administration whether by design or incompetence is essentially nonfunctional, etc..... and the reporting reflects that - we're in uncharted waters here. So, yeah, it's unique but about 99% of that "uniqueness" is due to the guy sitting in the Oval Office.

 

[MTAtech]

Anyone that says they don't see a difference to the reporting in the past few administrations, I would not trust.

We've never had a president like this, so it stands to reason that the reporting is different. That doesn't mean the reporting is unfair.

 

[JasperL]

I would dig up the NYTimes article from July 2009 about how Obama hadn't moved on his infrastructure agenda at all, except Obama got his passed in February.

Yeah, right, because Obama had people who during the campaign were getting this stuff planned, staffing worked out, etc. and worked non-stop during the transition to get their people in place and get their proposals and a detailed agenda ready to present on day 1, in January, etc. which is the NORMAL way a competent administration works, and despite all our differences over the years, we've really always had competent administrations - we've come to expect it.

JoG is whining because NYT points out Trump admin is incompetent on a scale we've never seen, that the country has never seen at least in modern times, and is surprised that the press is uniquely critical of a uniquely dumpster-fire administration.

 

[Linc]

1. He probably just said it because it sounded good at the moment.

2. If it's stalled, that's probably a good thing. We'd most likely end up turning a lot of our highways into toll roads. My commute is bad enough without paying some political donor five bucks a day for the privilege.

I'm happy to pay your Indiana toll road on our way to Maine and New Hampshire. I don't like the Susan B. Anthony coins as change from the automatic machines and I don't like the automatic machines either.

Btw, Illinois has the absolute worst system of toll roads I've seen in this Nation and I've driven in all but 8 states.

Infrastructure is the last thing that should ever be politicized, but that's exactly what the tea party and Grover Norquist did in 2011 .

 

[JasperL]

ANYONE that says they don't see a difference is a liar.

Sure, there is a difference, I acknowledged the difference in my post that he quoted. But I don't know why anyone would be surprised in any way that an admin that operates on the level of a dumpster fire on a daily basis gets uniquely bad press. :shrug:

Edit to add that it's also a little bit funny that the Trump admin and supporters don't appear to get that if you spend months saying to the press, paraphrased "YOU SUCK!!" and tweeting it and criticizing them, including some personal attacks, that it's really NOT a good way to win friends and influence people in....the media. It's sort of LIFE 101 stuff.

The other alternative is to treat the media with respect and deal with them professionally, then demand the same in return, which is of course what most competent WH's make GREAT efforts to accomplish. This WH lies so often that we don't even notice anymore, beginning with the (as I recall) first briefing where Trump sent Spicey out there to lie about the crowd size. It's the ultimate middle finger to the media to have to report that crap, and to expect them to do so without noting the obvious lies. So, no ****, the media coverage reflects that.

 

[MTAtech]

Yeah, right, because Obama had people who during the campaign were getting this stuff planned, staffing worked out, etc. and worked non-stop during the transition to get their people in place and get their proposals and a detailed agenda ready to present on day 1, in January, etc. which is the NORMAL way a competent administration works, and despite all our differences over the years, we've really always had competent administrations - we've come to expect it.

JoG is whining because NYT points out Trump admin is incompetent on a scale we've never seen, that the country has never seen at least in modern times, and is surprised that the press is uniquely critical of a uniquely dumpster-fire administration.

What you wrote above is exactly correct. It's evident in every aspect this administration is expected to do. The president issued a tax-plan a few months ago. Under normal presidents, a tax-plan would have specifics and details. Trump's plan was a one-page sketch, lacking detail. Months have passed and no further substance has emerged.

Welcome to the Trump Admin.

 

[jghiretire]

He didn't get the Stillfromus package? He didn't get Obamacare?

Obama had the easiest presidency in modern times.

:lamo:lamo

Can I have what you're smoking? McConnell said from day 1 it was his goal to make Obama a 1 term president.
Trump kept at him with the stupid birthirism crap nearly every day -
but he had the easiest presidency in modern times?? Dude you don't get out much!!

 

[Helix]

Seriously. If toll roads are involved I'm not interested.

Same here. I checked, and sure enough, he's for that strategy. (at least he was in May.)

Trump, Congress head for fight over tolls | TheHill

 

[JasperL]

What you wrote above is exactly correct. It's evident in every aspect this administration is expected to do. The president issued a tax-plan a few months ago. Under normal presidents, a tax-plan would have specifics and details. Trump's plan was a one-page sketch, lacking detail. Months have passed and no further substance has emerged.

Welcome to the Trump Admin.

That's a perfect example. And the fact is if Trump was asked a question that went even a millimeter below that broad outline, such as the effect on projected revenues, or (FSM forbid) how to fund it, he'd be completely lost. The guy has zero grasp of anything beyond, "Great, terrific tax plan - lower rates. JOBS!! MAGA!! Biggest EVER!!"

Of course we knew that going in, but what's truly shocking to me is the guys he hired appear to be just as lost, or maybe more accurately are just uninterested in any details or able to do the WORK involved in getting something with actual details issued.

 

[jghiretire]

Leadership isn't exhibited by being handed everything on a silver platter, like Obama was. A real leader doesn't drone on about shovel ready jobs that don't exist. Basically, he lied through his teeth. I'm sure you'l defend those lies and blame it on someone else.

:---(

 

[Helix]

I'm happy to pay your Indiana toll road on our way to Maine and New Hampshire. I don't like the Susan B. Anthony coins as change from the automatic machines and I don't like the automatic machines either.

Btw, Illinois has the absolute worst system of toll roads I've seen in this Nation and I've driven in all but 8 states.

Infrastructure is the last thing that should ever be politicized, but that's exactly what the tea party and Grover Norquist did in 2011 .

I avoid that toll road completely. Mitch Daniels leased it to some conglomerate for 75 years when he was having a day off from cutting education. Then the conglomerate went under and Mitch got himself a nice cushy jub at Purdue.

 

[JasperL]

Leadership isn't exhibited by being handed everything on a silver platter, like Obama was.

Alternative history! Seriously, how can you have lived through the record number of filibusters during the Obama years and believe that nonsense?

A real leader doesn't drone on about shovel ready jobs that don't exist. Basically, he lied through his teeth. I'm sure you'l defend those lies and blame it on someone else.

The fact is Obama got his detailed infrastructure and stimulus plan proposed nearly on day 1 and passed within a month or so. Six months in, Trump still hasn't staffed the committee to make proposals and recommendations.

 

[VanceMack]

Sure, there is a difference, I acknowledged the difference in my post that he quoted. But I don't know why anyone would be surprised in any way that an admin that operates on the level of a dumpster fire on a daily basis gets uniquely bad press. :shrug:

Edit to add that it's also a little bit funny that the Trump admin and supporters don't appear to get that if you spend months saying to the press, paraphrased "YOU SUCK!!" and tweeting it and criticizing them, including some personal attacks, that it's really NOT a good way to win friends and influence people in....the media. It's sort of LIFE 101 stuff.

The other alternative is to treat the media with respect and deal with them professionally, then demand the same in return, which is of course what most competent WH's make GREAT efforts to accomplish. This WH lies so often that we don't even notice anymore, beginning with the (as I recall) first briefing where Trump sent Spicey out there to lie about the crowd size. It's the ultimate middle finger to the media to have to report that crap, and to expect them to do so without noting the obvious lies. So, no ****, the media coverage reflects that.

Which came first...the phrases you suck, or CNN spending 87% of its programming for 18 months acting as a propaganda wing for the DNC? The fact is the media outlets have been embarrassing themselves for decades.

 

[Linc]

I avoid that toll road completely. Mitch Daniels leased it to some conglomerate for 75 years when he was having a day off from cutting education. Then the conglomerate went under and Mitch got himself a nice cushy jub at Purdue.

My buddy and I watching the Cubs game laughed at loud at this post .

 

[Linc]

Same here. I checked, and sure enough, he's for that strategy. (at least he was in May.)

Trump, Congress head for fight over tolls | TheHill

It really concerns me that I agree with trump on something economic.

I'm just a silly little pragmatic Democrat who believes in paying his fair share across the board in this Nation's economy .

 

[Helix]

My buddy and I watching the Cubs game laughed at loud at this post .

If you want a real gut buster, check out Encyclopedia Brown and the Case of the Missing $320 Million Dollars.

Indiana state government unearths $320 million in unknown tax revenue - CNNPolitics.com