NYT: Trump’s ‘Great National Infrastructure Program’? Stalled [W:258]

[MTAtech]

Trump’s ‘Great National Infrastructure Program’? Stalled


There are some interesting takeaways from this article.

1: Trump dropped the ball...

As a candidate, President Trump billed himself as a new breed of think-big Republican, pitching a $1 trillion campaign pledge to reconstruct the nation’s roadways, waterworks and bridges — along with a promise to revive the lost art of the bipartisan deal.
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Infrastructure remains stuck near the rear of the legislative line, according to two dozen administration officials, legislators and labor leaders involved in coming up with a concrete proposal.

2. Ineptitude:

Mr. Trump’s team has yet to produce the detailed plan he has promised to deliver “very soon,” and the president has yet to even name any members to a new board he claimed would green-light big projects.
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Senator John Thune, the South Dakota Republican: “We’re sort of waiting on the administration to tell us what it is exactly they want to do.”

3. Plan relies upon private partners:

Unlike the transformative 20th-century efforts the president likes to cite at his rallies, any plan that eventually emerges will not rely exclusively on federal funds. Instead, it will try to use $200 billion in federal spending to attract an additional $800 billion in investment from private investors and local governments over the next 10 years.

4. Reps don't want to be bipartisan:

Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, is skeptical of wedding a tax overhaul and infrastructure — or of any deal that would require him to compromise with Democrats.

 

[LowDown]

Trump’s ‘Great National Infrastructure Program’? Stalled


There are some interesting takeaways from this article.

1: Trump dropped the ball...


2. Ineptitude:


3. Plan relies upon private partners:


4. Reps don't want to be bipartisan:

New York Times:

Trump is a clown who will be eliminated as a candidate early in the primaries.

Trump will never win the election, the odds are 95% against it.

The Trump campaign is "in chaos".

The Trump transition is "in chaos".

The Trump White House is "in chaos".

And all the Russia collusion stuff.

The New York Times and the rest of the mainstream media has lied and lied and lied about Trump in matters great and small (detailed here), and yet you bring us more stuff from the Times about Trump.

 

[Dittohead not!]

New York Times:

Trump is a clown who will be eliminated as a candidate early in the primaries.

Trump will never win the election, the odds are 95% against it.

The Trump transition is "in chaos".

The Trump White House is "in chaos".

And all the Russia collusion stuff.

The New York Times and the rest of the mainstream media has lied and lied and lied about Trump in matters great and small (detailed here), and yet you bring us more stuff from the Times about Trump.

No, the media didn't think he could be elected. They must have overestimated the intelligence of the voter, never a good idea. So, now we do have the fraud and conman (Romney's words, not mine) in the White House, and the voters actually think he will deliver on his promises? Really?

Infrastructure plan stalled
Wall not built, and Mexico just laughs at the idea they will pay for it.
Repeal and replace is DOA.

Must be the Democrats' fault. Not enough of them voted to be sure that Trump actually didn't win, and they chose a candidate that all too many couldn't get behind. Now the Democrat controlled Congress... What? Republicans are in control? Really? And Trump still can't get his agenda passed?

Why would that be?

 

[code1211]

Trump’s ‘Great National Infrastructure Program’? Stalled


There are some interesting takeaways from this article.

1: Trump dropped the ball...


2. Ineptitude:


3. Plan relies upon private partners:


4. Reps don't want to be bipartisan:

Well, this is the same game plan the establishment is using in every Trump proposal, isn't it?

Everyone in both political parties and everyone who lives within 100m miles of DC is against Trump.

Why is everyone opposing him regardless of party affiliation or previously stated positions on particular ideas?

Almost make you think there are powerful forces who hate outsiders: Democrat Party, Republican Party and the Press all seem to be a tad annoyed by Trump.

In my mind, anyone who has all three of these groups upset is probably doing things I want to have done.

 

[apdst]

Mr. Trump’s team has yet to produce the detailed plan he has promised to deliver “very soon,” and the president has yet to even name any members to a new board he claimed would green-light big projects.

If he wasn't fighting off the resistatards, he would have more time to work on his plan.

 

[Greenbeard]

Well, this is the same game plan the establishment is using in every Trump proposal, isn't it?

There is no Trump infrastructure proposal. That's his first problem.

Just like his "something better than Obamacare" proposal he never came up with.

It's amazing how easy it is for your agenda to stall when you don't have an agenda.

 

[joG]

Trump’s ‘Great National Infrastructure Program’? Stalled


There are some interesting takeaways from this article.

1: Trump dropped the ball...


2. Ineptitude:


3. Plan relies upon private partners:


4. Reps don't want to be bipartisan:

We all know that the journalists at the NYT can no longer be trusted on the veracity of the news they report. They are no better than Breitbart or Fox. I think it is more noteworthy that Bloomberg has come out personally to point out that all this heckling and badmouthing it harming us all. As Huffington Post reports "He illustrated his point by comparing America with other countries where, according to Bloomberg, people will try to “tear down the government” and “have a revolution” if they lose an election." And he is right. The liberals have lost it.

 

[MTAtech]

Well, this is the same game plan the establishment is using in every Trump proposal, isn't it?

Everyone in both political parties and everyone who lives within 100m miles of DC is against Trump.

Why is everyone opposing him regardless of party affiliation or previously stated positions on particular ideas?

Almost make you think there are powerful forces who hate outsiders: Democrat Party, Republican Party and the Press all seem to be a tad annoyed by Trump.

In my mind, anyone who has all three of these groups upset is probably doing things I want to have done.

Once again, blame the "establishment." Who are members of this establishment? Oh, Wall Street bankers, such as those from Goldman Sachs, of course. You mean the people that Trump appointed to his cabinet and just made one his Communications Director? Yup, that's them.

But it's even worse than that. It's one thing for the evil "establishment" to block a Trump proposal -- but the article clearly said that there is no proposal.

Trump’s team has yet to produce the detailed plan he has promised to deliver “very soon,”

You can't blame anyone but Trump for not proposing what was his once a top campaign initiative. Now, it's on his back burner.

But thanks for covering for the clothesless emperor while carrying his water.

 

[Cardinal]

Nobody knew that infrastructure would be so difficult.

 

[MTAtech]

We all know that the journalists at the NYT can no longer be trusted on the veracity of the news they report. They are no better than Breitbart or Fox. I think it is more noteworthy that Bloomberg has come out personally to point out that all this heckling and badmouthing it harming us all. As Huffington Post reports "He illustrated his point by comparing America with other countries where, according to Bloomberg, people will try to “tear down the government” and “have a revolution” if they lose an election." And he is right. The liberals have lost it.

So what are you saying? When The Times quotes Trump's actual words verbatim, such as, “a great national infrastructure program” and “Don’t forget about infrastructure!” -- Trump really didn't say that?

Or, did the Times get the quote from John Thune, the South Dakota Republican's wrong? “They’re supposedly going to submit some sort of plan in the fall, so we’ll see,” Mr. Thune told reporters this month. “We’re sort of waiting on the administration to tell us what it is exactly they want to do.”

It is really interesting watching the pro-Trump cult attack anyone who points out facts that just happen to be inconvenient -- challenging the narrative that they want to believe. Many warned before the election that Trump was a charlatan who got through life like a HS student who had to do a book report on a book he neglected to read -- bluff. Now we see first hand, how good his management -- that he sold as first-rate, really isn't first-rate.

This guy has had no legislative successes, even though his party agrees with him and they own the House, Senate and WH.

The Times is merely publishing facts, namely, that Trump promised bold action on infrastructure and his own administration is the cause -- he just hasn't proposed a plan. That isn't the Times' fault.

 

[Greenbeard]

We all know that the journalists at the NYT can no longer be trusted on the veracity of the news they report. They are no better than Breitbart or Fox. I think it is more noteworthy that Bloomberg has come out personally to point out that all this heckling and badmouthing it harming us all. As Huffington Post reports "He illustrated his point by comparing America with other countries where, according to Bloomberg, people will try to “tear down the government” and “have a revolution” if they lose an election." And he is right. The liberals have lost it.

Are you arguing the GOP did pass its imaginary infrastructure plan?

 

[MTAtech]

Mr. Trump’s team has yet to produce the detailed plan he has promised to deliver “very soon,” and the president has yet to even name any members to a new board he claimed would green-light big projects.

If he wasn't fighting off the resistatards, he would have more time to work on his plan.

That doesn't fly. The guy was running for president for two years before the election. He had the time to write a plan.

Obama walked into the White House with a detailed plan of health care -- and he faced tons of opposition.

What you are saying is that because Trump is overwhelmed with those that resist him that he can't issue an infrastructure plan. I have news for you. The president doesn't take pen in hand to a notepad and write the plan himself. There are (or should be) experts that write it.

The Trump Stepford Wives (male and female) can try to deflect blame onto others but ultimately, failure belongs to Trump.

Note what it says on a real president's desk. "THe Buck Stops Here."

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

It's still a very short thread but already the Trumpsters have blamed the Dems, the NYT, and the establishment for Trump's incompetence. There's QUOTES from Republicans saying Trump hasn't even offered up a infrastructure plan yet, but according to Trumpsters that's not true. According to them it is always someone else's fault.

Yes Trump could shoot someone on 5th av. lol

 

[joG]

So what are you saying? When The Times quotes Trump's actual words verbatim, such as, “a great national infrastructure program” and “Don’t forget about infrastructure!” -- Trump really didn't say that?

Or, did the Times get the quote from John Thune, the South Dakota Republican's wrong? “They’re supposedly going to submit some sort of plan in the fall, so we’ll see,” Mr. Thune told reporters this month. “We’re sort of waiting on the administration to tell us what it is exactly they want to do.”

It is really interesting watching the pro-Trump cult attack anyone who points out facts that just happen to be inconvenient -- challenging the narrative that they want to believe. Many warned before the election that Trump was a charlatan who got through life like a HS student who had to do a book report on a book he neglected to read -- bluff. Now we see first hand, how good his management -- that he sold as first-rate, really isn't first-rate.

This guy has had no legislative successes, even though his party agrees with him and they own the House, Senate and WH.

The Times is merely publishing facts, namely, that Trump promised bold action on infrastructure and his own administration is the cause -- he just hasn't proposed a plan. That isn't the Times' fault.

It isn't a question of getting the words one quotes right. It is quoting the right sentences. It has become a question of selectivity of reporting to creat spin. I am finding it increasingly hard to trust such quotes as you site not to have been taken out of context to the point of sometimes meaning the opposite of the way they are used by even media like NYT or WP. They have become as deceitful as fox or Breitbart. This is a real problem for a democratic order on many levels domestically as well as internationally.

 

[joG]

Are you arguing the GOP did pass its imaginary infrastructure plan?

Nope. I am arguing that as reported I would not give the report any weight.

 

[washunut]

That doesn't fly. The guy was running for president for two years before the election. He had the time to write a plan.

Obama walked into the White House with a detailed plan of health care -- and he faced tons of opposition.

What you are saying is that because Trump is overwhelmed with those that resist him that he can't issue an infrastructure plan. I have news for you. The president doesn't take pen in hand to a notepad and write the plan himself. There are (or should be) experts that write it.

The Trump Stepford Wives (male and female) can try to deflect blame onto others but ultimately, failure belongs to Trump.

Note what it says on a real president's desk. "THe Buck Stops Here."

In fairness while Obama had a filibuster proof senate it still took more than a year to get ACA passed. Not sure it is reasonable to say Trump's plans are a failure just yet. My sense is that it would make sense to tie infrastructure to taxes. This way they can use some of the money which will be repatriated for the infrastructure fund and perhaps pull in one or two democrats.

 

[apdst]

That doesn't fly. The guy was running for president for two years before the election. He had the time to write a plan.

Obama walked into the White House with a detailed plan of health care -- and he faced tons of opposition.

What you are saying is that because Trump is overwhelmed with those that resist him that he can't issue an infrastructure plan. I have news for you. The president doesn't take pen in hand to a notepad and write the plan himself. There are (or should be) experts that write it.

The Trump Stepford Wives (male and female) can try to deflect blame onto others but ultimately, failure belongs to Trump.

Note what it says on a real president's desk. "THe Buck Stops Here."

Obama got everything he wanted in his first two years.

 

[Fletch]

No, the media didn't think he could be elected. They must have overestimated the intelligence of the voter, never a good idea.

Boy we cant get 3 posts into a thread without some intolerant liberal denouncing the intelligence of those who disagree with him. :roll: Here is a piece of advice: next time there is an election, don't run the worst candidate available and maybe you will win. The truly stupid people were the ones who put Hillary at the top of the ticket. Stop blaming others for your ****up

 

[Linc]

Obama got everything he wanted in his first two years.

He didn't, because Democrats didn't wallow in the 'reconciliation' gutter .

 

[apdst]

He didn't, because Democrats didn't wallow in the 'reconciliation' gutter .

He didn't get the Stillfromus package? He didn't get Obamacare?

Obama had the easiest presidency in modern times.

 

[Linc]

It's still a very short thread but already the Trumpsters have blamed the Dems, the NYT, and the establishment for Trump's incompetence. There's QUOTES from Republicans saying Trump hasn't even offered up a infrastructure plan yet, but according to Trumpsters that's not true. According to them it is always someone else's fault.

Yes Trump could shoot someone on 5th av. lol

A case could be made that it's the DEMs fault that trump got elected. And that they blew the Senate the last two terms. Or had their heads up their asses in 2010 when Republics ran 'REDMAP 2010'.

The only problem I see in the U. S. House is DEMs have too many candidates, especially difficult in top two jungle primaries in CA where the incumbent GOP is not primaried, makes the top two, and the better general election DEM loses, such as in I$$A's CD .

 

[Unitedwestand13]

A case could be made that it's the DEMs fault that trump got elected. And that they blew the Senate the last two terms. Or had their heads up their asses in 2010 when Republics ran 'REDMAP 2010'.

The only problem I see in the U. S. House is DEMs have too many candidates, especially difficult in top two jungle primaries in CA where the incumbent GOP is not primaried, makes the top two, and the better general election DEM loses, such as in I$$A's CD .

I would rather have have a healthy amount of candidates running for office then not putting up any candidates at all

 

[Verax]

Pathetic. Even with complete control of the country Republicans cannot get anything done but it is entirely the fault of Democrats and the media. For people who pride themselves on being self sufficient and independent, they sure are impotent.

 

[Linc]

He didn't get the Stillfromus package? He didn't get Obamacare?

Obama had the easiest presidency in modern times.

How many months, not years, did Obama have 60 Senators ?

 

[Linc]

I would rather have have a healthy amount of candidates running for office then not putting up any candidates at all

7 DEMs in your top two primary against an incumbent Republic is complete stupidity. Both parties still have their own major divisions from within, though entirely different from each other.

The potential is there for DEMs to win half of the GOP governorships. Strong GOP candidates are dropping like flies, such as two very good GOP congresswomen in Missouri not running against Sen. McCaskill .