I have only one thing to say about my gravy fries....
From my cold, dead, greasy hands. :mrgreen:
I'd always intended to see NYC sometime. Empire State Building, Central Park, all that.
Well, I guess I never will, now.
I refuse to patronize such an idiotic petty tyranny with my tourism dollars.
I have only one thing to say about my gravy fries....
From my cold, dead, greasy hands. :mrgreen:
This is seriously idiotic. I can't even fathom the lack of reasoning that exists in this debate.
IMO what this really is is just an attempt to build awareness of the issue nationwide. It's the same thing as when San Francisco banned happy meals. What they're really trying to do is to get people everywhere to think about whether it is really a good idea to feed that stuff to their kids. And it's successful. Oddly, I lived in San Francisco during the happy meal ban and now I live in New York. In both cases, the people were fine with it. Really they didn't care either way. They're both wealthy cities. Not a lot of super jumbo sodas or happy meals were being consumed in either place anyways. That isn't the point. The point was getting the national media talking about it.
I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but something needs to change with portion sizes in the US. It really is totally out of control. I used to travel to Europe for work a lot. If I was there for a couple weeks, consistently, the first few days I'd feel a little hungry because the portions were smaller. But I'd get over it pretty quick. And guess what, people there are much, much, skinnier. Then I'd come back and the first thing you're struck by is how fat everybody is. It really is kind of startling when you leave and come back. And for a few days I'd feel like I had too much food after every meal. But then I'd get used to that again and resume fattening up.... And the portions here are getting bigger and bigger every year. The health care costs created and the impact on our quality of life are enormous. We do need to do something. Maybe not bans, but something needs to change.
teamosil said:IMO what this really is is just an attempt to build awareness of the issue nationwide. It's the same thing as when San Francisco banned happy meals. What they're really trying to do is to get people everywhere to think about whether it is really a good idea to feed that stuff to their kids. And it's successful. Oddly, I lived in San Francisco during the happy meal ban and now I live in New York. In both cases, the people were fine with it. Really they didn't care either way. They're both wealthy cities. Not a lot of super jumbo sodas or happy meals were being consumed in either place anyways. That isn't the point. The point was getting the national media talking about it.
I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but something needs to change with portion sizes in the US. It really is totally out of control. I used to travel to Europe for work a lot. If I was there for a couple weeks, consistently, the first few days I'd feel a little hungry because the portions were smaller. But I'd get over it pretty quick. And guess what, people there are much, much, skinnier. Then I'd come back and the first thing you're struck by is how fat everybody is. It really is kind of startling when you leave and come back. And for a few days I'd feel like I had too much food after every meal. But then I'd get used to that again and resume fattening up.... And the portions here are getting bigger and bigger every year. The health care costs created and the impact on our quality of life are enormous. We do need to do something. Maybe not bans, but something needs to change.
I don't think any parent is under the delusion that feeding their kids a Happy Meal is healthy, or that you can't get obese from Coca-Cola and Oreos.
I doubt that "raising awareness" is a useful tool, because I imagine the populace is very aware. One problem I've noticed is that the cheapest foods are the foods that tend to be the worst for you. You can get a Little Debbie candy bar or brownie for 50 cents, or you can get an apple (maybe, and not in a vending machine).
It isn't about giving people a piece of information they didn't have before, it is about getting people to think about it. Like right now you and I are sitting here having a conversation about what kinds of foods are healthier and what foods are less healthy. That's the point of it. Remind people to think about what they eat.
I think we all understand the purpose, the debate is whether its of any value to write laws to try and make people think. I dont think Bloombergs soda law is going to that at all
It is though. You and I are thinking about how healthy the things we eat are right now.
Yes, you and I are, but you and I id bet a donut are already healthy eaters and we are on a discussion forum
Personally I do not think the big gulp ban will change a single bad eating New Yorkers mind...but hey...I really hope im wrong this time
This is seriously idiotic. I can't even fathom the lack of reasoning that exists in this debate.
Do you deny the effectiveness of the buy-in-bulk marketing technique? Buying in bulk within retail outlets encourages over-consumption.
Some people view it as a big savings on necessities that you use daily by buying in bulk.
Ive been a member of warehouse clubs for a long long time...
I buy bulk....Papertowels, Papier eau de twoilette..Napkins...Coffee...porkchops, big bags of frozen chicken and fish and salmon and I save a fortune over super market prices and I dont have to run to the store nearly as much....Its no different buy a 2lbs of cookies in sams club and eating like a pig...or buying two 1 lb boxs of cookies in Publix and eating like a pig.
Everyone thats for this law seems to think that suggestion is going to override eating disorders..and lack of discipline....its not and it never has and never will.
I actually eat terribly unhealthy stuff. I'm part of the target audience for the awareness raising
I think stuff like this has some effect. It's like advertising. Everybody thinks that what they purchase is rarely, if ever, affected by ads. But when they go to the store, more often than not, they buy the products they have seen the most ads for. McDonalds and Coca-Cola spend over a billion dollars each per year advertising. Asparagus... I don't think I can remember ever seeing an advertisement for a asparagus. Think of this like a pretty big advertising campaign for asparagus.
Do you deny the effectiveness of the buy-in-bulk marketing technique? Buying in bulk within retail outlets encourages over-consumption.
Lets ban it! Bloomberg always needs an excuse for going out in his superman outfit.
If you want to reply to my comment, then by all means.
Tell me the worth of your comment? Who cares if it encourages people to act dumb? I see nothing wrong with it.
I do not think this ban would stand judicial review as it runs contrary to the Commerce Clause where Local governments "can't pass laws that do impose burdens on the free flow of commerce between states, only congress can.
"The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes"
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