kenvin
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How do you know that? Are you in the FBI? I checked it isn't on their web site that's for sure.
The FBI knows where they are coming from. the single largest source are gun owners within New York State. Pretty pathetic when the mayor of NYC feels like he needs to travel to Arizona to make a pathetic point when all he has to to is travel to Albany.
There are several things wrong with what Bloomberg did here, not the least of which was to send NYC law enforcement into another state's jurisdiction without coordination, or even infoming them that they were there. Then there is the state and federal gun laws that now already exist that these idiots broke. Then, there is the fact that Bloomberg is a damned mayor, not the exhaulted supreme ruler of every place in America. His foray into this head long was a massive blunder, and highlights liberals arrogance in what they believe is proper use of authority, and power.
I posted the article from the NYT with the BATF (corrected...BATF and DoJ...not the FBI) data included. Read back a half a page. Its on the same link where mayor Bloomberg addressed the media ADMITTING that the sale was not illegal.How do you know that? Are you in the FBI? I checked it isn't on their web site that's for sure.
There are several things wrong with what Bloomberg did here, not the least of which was to send NYC law enforcement into another state's jurisdiction without coordination, or even infoming them that they were there. Then there is the state and federal gun laws that now already exist that these idiots broke. Then, there is the fact that Bloomberg is a damned mayor, not the exhaulted supreme ruler of every place in America. His foray into this head long was a massive blunder, and highlights liberals arrogance in what they believe is proper use of authority, and power.
j-mac
If the guns are comming from somewhere else you are suggesting they don't have a right much less a duty to establish where they are comming from? That makes no sense.
The 2nd amendment says shall not infringe. Its none of the New York city's mayor what constitutional rights someone chooses to exercise,especially in another state.
You:
You:
"well Regulated" isn't what you stated, you can come up with a dumb "they say" retort, but it's wrong. Your continued arrogance and willful ignorance is on full display, like a peackock in full plumage!
Only you disagree, because well, you are being dishonest. Feel free to provide evidence other than a snotty "cause I posted it" type of response, I mean really boo, if you are going to act this way, you should at least, not lie, and proffer up a little evidence.....
My car is here, we are off to the game, I am sorry you chose to stick to your guns with this dishonest argument, but that call is yours. It's transparent to all but one. You have a nice day,
The amendment starts out with A well regulated Militia. Not a well regulated people's right to keep and bear arms.The militia is the only part that can be well regulated., not the peoples right to keep and bear arms. These are separate rights. Just like religion,free speech,freedom of assembly, are all separate rights in the first amendment. What you are doing amounts to someone saying the 1st amendment says "peaceful", you speech can have anything violent in it.
Oh so my right to own Ryder truck filled with c4 shouldn't be infringed?
Actually it does matter.A well regulated militia is a well regulated militia. the right of the people to keep and bear arms is a totally separate right. So it is blatantly dishonest to say the first words in the 2nd amendment is "a well regulated" as though it applied to the peoples right to keep and bear arms.Just as I point out to rev, it doesn't matter.
You do not have a constitutional right to own a vehicle.
I'll stand by Ted's perspective on the matter...Actually it does matter.A well regulated militia is a well regulated militia. the right of the people to keep and bear arms is a totally separate right. So it is blatantly dishonest to say the first words in the 2nd amendment is "a well regulated" as though it applied to the peoples right to keep and bear arms.
did you find that link yet? Did you read where New York state is the SINGLE LARGEST provider of illegal firearms being seized in New York city?Do I have a right to fill it with a Uranium dirty bomb?
did you find that link yet? Did you read where New York state is the SINGLE LARGEST provider of illegal firearms being seized in New York city?
Actually it does matter.A well regulated militia is a well regulated militia. the right of the people to keep and bear arms is a totally separate right. So it is blatantly dishonest to say the first words in the 2nd amendment is "a well regulated" as though it applied to the peoples right to keep and bear arms.
I take it that you DID then find it and realize how stupid your position is so you simply retreated. Probably the smartest thing you have ever done.Oh I'm sorry I wasn't looking for one. Why are you so butt hurt that hillbillies and gang members got busted selling guns to people they shouldn't have at gun shows?
If the guns are comming from somewhere else you are suggesting they don't have a right much less a duty to establish where they are comming from? That makes no sense.
Aw Bull ****! You don't establish anything by going out like you have authority anywhere in the nation. This is what cooperation is all about...If Bloomberg has reason to believe that guns from Arizona are being used in NYC to commit crimes, then he needs to bring in AZ, and Federal authorities on the issue. NOT conduct a dishonest smear campaign on another state because he doesn't like their laws.
j-mac
It would not be in the amendment if it had not meaning (I do think it is poorly worded). Now, it is true people disagree on the meaning. I accept that. But the fact remains, they are regulated, and the courts have upheld the idea of regulating.
the US Constitution said:Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Second Amendment | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute
The amendment starts out with the words well regulated, and the courts have repeatedly ruled regulating is allowed, so you may not be as knowledgable as you think you are. And you notice the courts have not struck down the alrge majority of regulations law makers have put in place.
that is not an "Arm" within the meaning of the second amendment. Try againOh so my right to own Ryder truck filled with c4 shouldn't be infringed?
You have them don't you? Just saying . . . .
I don't disagree that he was out of his jurisdiction, but I also believe there is a legal process to deal with this. if AZ really didn't approve of this, I suspect it will come back on Bloomburg, or it was only show with nothing really happening.
Why is New York wrong? Guns purchased in States with lax laws end up in the hands of people who shouldn't have them in NY and are used in crimes against NY citizens. Seems rational to try and put a stop to it.
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