Nsa has complete control of your iphone

[WCH]

NSA has complete control of your iPhone, can activate your microphone and camera without you knowing | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Leaked documents now show what we all suspected: the NSA can turn your iPhone’s microphone and camera on and off without you knowing.

According to Der Spiegel’s website:

“The NSA’s ANT division develops implants for mobile phones and SIM cards. One of these is a spyware implant called “DROPOUTJEEP” — designed for the first generation of iPhones — which was still in development in 2008, shortly after the iPhone’s launch. This spyware was to make it possible to remotely download or upload files to a mobile phone. It would also, according to the catalog, allow the NSA to divert text messages, browse the user’s address book, intercept voicemails, activate the phone’s microphone and camera at will, determine the current cell site and the user’s current location, “etc.” ANT’s technicians also develop modified mobile phones, for use in special cases that look like normal, standard devices, but transmit various pieces of information to the NSA — that can be swapped undetected with a target’s own mobile phone or passed to informants and agents. In 2008, ANT had models from Eastcom and Samsung on offer, and it has likely developed additional models since.”



This could probably go in law and order but, for now....

 

[Jango]

Some will try to lead us to believe that the N.S.A. isn't doing the above to American citizens.

 

[MaggieD]

NSA has complete control of your iPhone, can activate your microphone and camera without you knowing | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Leaked documents now show what we all suspected: the NSA can turn your iPhone’s microphone and camera on and off without you knowing.

According to Der Spiegel’s website:

“The NSA’s ANT division develops implants for mobile phones and SIM cards. One of these is a spyware implant called “DROPOUTJEEP” — designed for the first generation of iPhones — which was still in development in 2008, shortly after the iPhone’s launch. This spyware was to make it possible to remotely download or upload files to a mobile phone. It would also, according to the catalog, allow the NSA to divert text messages, browse the user’s address book, intercept voicemails, activate the phone’s microphone and camera at will, determine the current cell site and the user’s current location, “etc.” ANT’s technicians also develop modified mobile phones, for use in special cases that look like normal, standard devices, but transmit various pieces of information to the NSA — that can be swapped undetected with a target’s own mobile phone or passed to informants and agents. In 2008, ANT had models from Eastcom and Samsung on offer, and it has likely developed additional models since.”

This could probably go in law and order but, for now....

I have no idea why this would come as a surprise to anyone. Big deal.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

LOL. Where are all the war-hawks like CPWill who are going to tell us we're all overreacting and that the NSA is only looking at metadata for terrorists.

I have no idea why this would come as a surprise to anyone. Big deal.

The fact that Americans like you still shrug your shoulders and say "big deal" makes it pretty clear that we're ****ed.

 

[WCH]

I have no idea why this would come as a surprise to anyone. Big deal.

Being able to hear conversations (not on the phone) and seeing you (when you're not on the phone) is a 'new' big deal.

 

[iacardsfan]

we all knew this was coming, but it is still sad to see. And some will defend it, which is even sadder to see.

 

[WCH]

we all knew this was coming, but it is still sad to see. And some will defend it, which is even sadder to see.

The more we leave the damn thing at home, the less they will be able to garner.

 

[MaggieD]

LOL. Where are all the war-hawks like CPWill who are going to tell us we're all overreacting and that the NSA is only looking at metadata for terrorists.

The fact that Americans like you still shrug your shoulders and say "big deal" makes it pretty clear that we're ****ed.

We can't roll back the clock on technology. If you can think it? "They" can do it. I'm betting there's plenty of geeks out there that can do the same. If you have an internet connection and "Hackers International" decides to shake up your life? Nothing on your computer is secure either. And as "Smart TVs" become more sophisticated, the same can be said of your living room.

Cell phones with GPS trackers inside . . . a way to trace where your phone is pinging even when it's off . . . GPS's becoming more and more popular in our cars . . . tracking our movements on a hard drive. Cop cars that roll down the street with a gadget inside that automatically reads and tracks parked and moving car plates. The ability to clone phones by getting within range.

You can't shut off the spigot. It's all out there.

Boys and their toys.

 

[Ockham]

Being able to hear conversations (not on the phone) and seeing you (when you're not on the phone) is a 'new' big deal.

And who oversees the NSA so they cannot abuse such power?

<crickets>

 

[MaggieD]

And who oversees the NSA so they cannot abuse such power?

<crickets>

Who oversees my next-door neighbor?

 

[WCH]

And who oversees the NSA so they cannot abuse such power?

<crickets>

Supposedly people like the Senate intelligence comm. :mrgreen:

 

[Gaius46]

LOL. Where are all the war-hawks like CPWill who are going to tell us we're all overreacting and that the NSA is only looking at metadata for terrorists.



The fact that Americans like you still shrug your shoulders and say "big deal" makes it pretty clear that we're ****ed.

Unfortunately I think you're right. Fiji is looking better and better everyday

 

[MaggieD]

Unfortunately I think you're right. Fiji is looking better and better everyday

And still you maintain your internet connection. Can't be scarin' ya' too much.

 

[Gaius46]

We can't roll back the clock on technology. If you can think it? "They" can do it. I'm betting there's plenty of geeks out there that can do the same. If you have an internet connection and "Hackers International" decides to shake up your life? Nothing on your computer is secure either. And as "Smart TVs" become more sophisticated, the same can be said of your living room.

Cell phones with GPS trackers inside . . . a way to trace where your phone is pinging even when it's off . . . GPS's becoming more and more popular in our cars . . . tracking our movements on a hard drive. Cop cars that roll down the street with a gadget inside that automatically reads and tracks parked and moving car plates. The ability to clone phones by getting within range.

You can't shut off the spigot. It's all out there.

Boys and their toys.

The difference is that your average hacker doesn't have the computing resources at his disposal to capture, process and make use of the information gleaned from billions of conversations. Nor do they have access to lots of guys with guns.

 

[scatt]

People still use iPhones? They need to think about upgrading to Android.

 

[Perotista]

NSA has complete control of your iPhone, can activate your microphone and camera without you knowing | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Leaked documents now show what we all suspected: the NSA can turn your iPhone’s microphone and camera on and off without you knowing.

According to Der Spiegel’s website:

“The NSA’s ANT division develops implants for mobile phones and SIM cards. One of these is a spyware implant called “DROPOUTJEEP” — designed for the first generation of iPhones — which was still in development in 2008, shortly after the iPhone’s launch. This spyware was to make it possible to remotely download or upload files to a mobile phone. It would also, according to the catalog, allow the NSA to divert text messages, browse the user’s address book, intercept voicemails, activate the phone’s microphone and camera at will, determine the current cell site and the user’s current location, “etc.” ANT’s technicians also develop modified mobile phones, for use in special cases that look like normal, standard devices, but transmit various pieces of information to the NSA — that can be swapped undetected with a target’s own mobile phone or passed to informants and agents. In 2008, ANT had models from Eastcom and Samsung on offer, and it has likely developed additional models since.”



This could probably go in law and order but, for now....

I don't have an i phone, just an old cell phone that I can make calls on and receive them. My daughter played holy heck getting to carry that on around ten years ago. The more modern and technical sophisticated the easier it is to tap into these things. When we let the government grow as big has it has to do as many things as it does, for us and to give us all sorts of security and safety nets. One should expect things like this. There was a reason the founding fathers wanted only a very small and limited central government, they knew at some time or another that urge to expand and have the government do things that citizens should, that urge would be over whelming and we would end up with a know all, see all, do all, decide all, give and take all that it wanted, become the the big brother of us all.

It is our fault, so if you want a government to takes care of its people's every need, the government will have to have a means of controling them. Just pat yourself on your back, this is exactly what the vast majority of Americans want. Security over Liberty.

 

[Ockham]

Who oversees my next-door neighbor?

Oversees them in what capacity in what situation? Any oversight the "people" provide at a community level is eventually going to make it's way to the authorities for the community - namely the police or politicians or in some cases judges. All of those (police, politicians, judges) have near zero oversight over the NSA when the NSA can claim "national security". For example, (hypothetically of course) if the NSA wanted to turn on someone's iPhone camera and mic and happened to do it just for some individual there's jollies ... who is it that will stop that individual? Who is it outside of the NSA that will hold that individual accountable if they are caught doing it?

Let's say it's now a more personal hypothetical. A person working at the NSA uses this technology to verify his wife is having an affair. Certainly not acceptable but - you, me, our community our state - none of us have oversight over the NSA in either situation. My long winded point: The NSA has way too much capability to invade our lives and way too little independent oversight outside of themselves. The fox guarding the chicken house and the farmer has no say in the matter.

 

[MaggieD]

Just pat yourself on your back, this is exactly what the vast majority of Americans want. Security over Liberty.

I look at it as, "If you're doing bad things, planning bad things or have done bad things? We are going to hunt you down."

Good.

 

[Ockham]

People still use iPhones? They need to think about upgrading to Android.

That is even worse. Android is based on Linux code which is way easier to hack and manipulate. Most hackers of all types use linux to hack other systems. IOS is a modified and proprietary system similar to linux but locked down and modified for Apple. Android phones will give no better protection.

 

[WCH]

I look at it as, "If you're doing bad things, planning bad things or have done bad things? We are going to hunt you down."

Good.

How about if they were simply observing you getting out of the shower? Or making love...

Still think they ought to be able to look?

 

[MaggieD]

How about if they were simply observing you getting out of the shower? Or making love...

Still think they ought to be able to look?

Got a computer in your bedroom? Your neighbor can do that now. We are NOT going to roll back technology.

 

[Hamster Buddha]

I have no idea why this would come as a surprise to anyone. Big deal.

Is that a good thing though that it isn't a surprise? I grant you that no one should be shocked, but I wouldn't call it no "big deal".

 

[Ockham]

Is that a good thing though that it isn't a surprise? I grant you that no one should be shocked, but I wouldn't call it no "big deal".

Indeed. We wouldn't accept local police having access into our homes covertly without just cause (4th Amendment) and a court order to allow such a thing. Why do we allow it with the Federal Government?

 

[Ikari]

I have no idea why this would come as a surprise to anyone. Big deal.

I think it is a big deal. We've been aggregating all these various spying and data collection actions by the government and thelot of it has become unnecessarily intrusive and dangerous. But they rely on us just shrugging it off, to be so apathetic that they can essentiay do as they like and it won't matter.

Big Brother is a problem and is a bigger threat to our freedom and liberty than the terrorists could ever hope to be.

 

[Ikari]

Got a computer in your bedroom? Your neighbor can do that now. We are NOT going to roll back technology.

But we can insist on our privacy and that government contain itself to its proper and limited place. We have a lot of tech now, tech will expand; but that doesn't mean government can do whatever it wants with that tech. It must be kept limited because as our tech grows, this problem will only get worse. If we don't stop it now, we won't be able to stop it later.