NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals

[OpportunityCost]

I never said the Committee was unanimous on the Report. I'm the one who produced a majority staff report of the Committee after the OP had properly introduced the thread on the minority staff report.

You're all over the place after jumping into the thread on the word "unanimous." Your sole purpose is to try to score points against a single individual poster. You thought you and your buddy had a gotcha moment. Yet it's the Putin-Trump Rowers who were saying two things before you came in. First that it was not a Senate Report and the Committee was not unanimous on it. That was wrong and right.

I proved it is a Senate Committee Report. And I said all 100 senators would be unanimous if you polled 'em that a Senate committee can issue such a Report. The Report was of course done by the minority staff as assigned by the ranking (minority) member (Sen. Wyden) of the Committee (on Finance).

And that if Sen. Wyden wanted to enter the Committee Report into the Congressional Record he'd get the unanimous consent of all 99 other senators to join him to do that. Indeed, not only is Ron Wyden a senator (Oregon) he is a ranking member of a full committee of the Senate.

It is anyway a long standing courtesy by senators (and members of the House) to respect a member who wishes to enter an item into the Congressional Record. Moreover, the Report on the NRA, Russia and the US Code concerning tax exempt organizations is the work product initiated by a ranking senator and produced by the (minority) staff of a Senate committee, in this instance the Committee on Finance.

The bottom line here is that the Right is being true to form as yet another one or two of you are posting until the last dog dies. So I suspect we're going to hear yet another woof. Two of 'em perhaps.

Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post

All 100 senators agreeing by unanimous consent to enter a committee report into the Congressional Record makes the report an official U.S. Senate document. It matters not whether a report is a minority report or one senator's letter to an individual constituent. When anything is entered into the Congressional Record it happened and it is official.

My sole purpose is to get you to quit making bull**** statements to prop up your ****ty arguments.

 

[TurtleDude]

no!!!

so what do you want to ban?

 

[Tangmo]

I know this is not common sense 101. However, why would any thinking being think the Russians would want the American people well armed and proficient with firearms? Not to mention keeping all those arms makers healthy so they can easily switch their tooling and start making military weapons.

Empirical evidence shows us that the biggest enemies of the NRA are liberal socialists. These are the same people who honeymoon is socialist Russia.

False.

Many Americans who are capitalists such as myself oppose the NRA and its extremist far right armband politics embodied by Wayne Lapierre.


What is true however is that the biggest supporters of the NRA's miserable armband politics are the Putin-Trump Rowers.

 

[Tangmo]

My sole purpose is to get you to quit making bull**** statements to prop up your ****ty arguments.

My statements in my posts are consistent, accurate, true. Your post #101 contains exactly those quality of statements I have made to the thread. Indeed.

That is, the Minority Staff Report of the Senate Committee on Finance is a Senate report. So is the retort report of the Majority Staff of the Committee a Senate Report. There are several different categories of a Senate report (likewise in the House where I was professionally employed at one time or another by elected members of each political party).

The burden to prove it would not be a Senate Report is on you. And your big problem fool's errand of trying to impress is that despite your full fronted charge you can't prove that. Your task to prove me wrong is impossible yet you've locked and loaded your failed posts that continue to misfire.

In other words you're holding your weapon with the barrel facing you. The only thingy to do now of course is to set it down and clean it up. Which is why you need to post incessantly and absurdly trying to concoct gotcha stuff until the last dog dies. In short, you jumped into your own mind trap.

 

[OpportunityCost]

My statements in my posts are consistent, accurate, true. Your post #101 contains exactly those quality of statements I have made to the thread. Indeed.

That is, the Minority Staff Report of the Senate Committee on Finance is a Senate report. So is the retort report of the Majority Staff of the Committee a Senate Report. There are several different categories of a Senate report (likewise in the House where I was professionally employed at one time or another by elected members of each political party).

The burden to prove it would not be a Senate Report is on you. And your big problem fool's errand of trying to impress is that despite your full fronted charge you can't prove that. Your task to prove me wrong is impossible yet you've locked and loaded your failed posts that continue to misfire.

In other words you're holding your weapon with the barrel facing you. The only thingy to do now of course is to set it down and clean it up. Which is why you need to post incessantly and absurdly trying to concoct gotcha stuff until the last dog dies. In short, you jumped into your own mind trap.

You say so much to run away from your original argument. It wasn't unanimous in either instance, was it?

 

[TurtleDude]

False.

Many Americans who are capitalists such as myself oppose the NRA and its extremist far right armband politics embodied by Wayne Lapierre.


What is true however is that the biggest supporters of the NRA's miserable armband politics are the Putin-Trump Rowers.

what exactly are the Extremist politics of the NRA

 

[Fledermaus]

You say so much to run away from your original argument. It wasn't unanimous in either instance, was it?

You are expecting Tangmo to admit to making **** up?

Good luck.

The military forum is filling with Tangmohistory and Tangmoclaims that have been refuted eight ways to Sunday. He ignores the corrections and plows on.

 

[Tangmo]

You say so much to run away from your original argument. It wasn't unanimous in either instance, was it?

That the Committee Report was not unanimous is what I've been saying from my first post to the thread.

I've done this simultaneous to establishing that the Finance Committee Minority Staff Report is a Senate Report. Then came the Committee Majority Staff retort Report which is also a Senate Report. I destroyed the vacuous claims of the Right that the Minority Report is not a Senate Report. Each of 'em is a Senate Report (the minority staff report occurred first, followed by the majority staff report).

And I have noted throughout the recent pages of the thread that the Right will post until the last dog dies. The principal reason for the barking from over there is that the Right believes absurdly that he who posts the most and posts last prevails. Another reason is that you guys had no valid or credible argument to begin with, grabbing stuff out of the air.

So because your Big Gotcha Moment is a flop you guys will post till the last dog is buried. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys over there hung around for a while after that besides. You guys got nuthin else to do any more given Trump is indefensible.

what exactly are the Extremist politics of the NRA

See the above plse thx.

Because the thread and topic are the reports of the Senate Finance Comittee staffs -- minority and majority -- in respect of the report of the minority staff that the NRA has become a Russian asset in USA political campaigns. That's more than extreme actually. It is treason against the Constitution and against the national sovereignty of the United States of America.

 

[OpportunityCost]

That the Committee Report was not unanimous is what I've been saying from my first post to the thread.

.

You cant even keep track of you own lies:

All 100 senators agreeing by unanimous consent to enter a committee report into the Congressional Record makes the report an official U.S. Senate document.

.

 

[Donc]

so what do you want to ban?

Reinstate the assault weapons ban of 1994 that it expired in 2004 like they ruled on bumps in December of last year.

 

[Tangmo]

You cant even keep track of you own lies:

You're hell bent on not letting the dogs rest in peace but we knew that. The Right has always gone on and on as everyone knows. It's the Right's doctrine of boring posting that he with the most flaccid posts and who posts last prevails. It's both timeworn and true. Absurd more than anything else however.

You have covered these quotes several times in different scatterings yet I've knocked 'em back each time. Each stab in the dark is so easy to recognize and to disarm.

I've said from my first posts the Committee was not unanimous about the Minority Staff Report. The fact of a division is ordinary, predictable and thereby no surprise. So the chairman ordered up a Majority Staff Report to try to counter the Minority Staff Report ordered by the ranking member. (zzzzzzzzzz....oh, do pardon my snoring thx.)

We recall the Minority Staff Report pointed out that your darlings the NRA and Russia need an IRS investigation because NRA has become a Russian asset in USA elections. This sabotage of American values and elections needs to be addressed despite the fact Russia is not your enemy and because you'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat or a democrat. Russia is my enemy however hence my position on the content of the Minority Staff Report which I accept and support.

I have addressed the additional note several times already in response to your silliness. If the Ranking Member of the Finance Committee Sen. Wyden who ordered up the Minority Staff Report wanted to insert the Report into the Congressional Record he could do it with the Unanimous Consent of the other 99 Senators. The senator could do that because it is a common senatorial courtesy to any individual senator for each senator to grant such Unanimous Consent (this is so in the House also). There is of course more than one category of Senate report (this is true in the House also). If this might sound familiar to you it would be of course because I've said it to you several times in several posts over several pages.

The problem here in the posting is of course twofold. Number one the Right hasn't any rule of law much less any valid rules of parliamentary procedures and processes which is why you don't get it. Secondly, Your Gotcha Moment is a Big Bust which means you'll have to keep on repeating your smokescreen posting for an indefinite period of time yet. You won't be completely lonely however because you have a couple of Right Wing Pals to help you on your self embarrassing trek through Nowhereland.

All the same you do have the driving motivation however that the NRA and Russia attacking the national sovereignty of the United States makes 'em both your BFF. So their enemy is your enemy too. Moi.

Bon chance with that.

 

[TurtleDude]

Reinstate the assault weapons ban of 1994 that it expired in 2004 like they ruled on bumps in December of last year.

that's really stupid and unconstitutional

tell me why an AR 15 with a fixed stock and a muzzle brake is not "unusually dangerous" but one with an adjustable stock and a flash hider is/ Because under the Clinton gun ban the former could be made and sold as new, the latter could not be

 

[OpportunityCost]

You're hell bent on not letting the dogs rest in peace but we knew that. The Right has always gone on and on as everyone knows. It's the Right's doctrine of boring posting that he with the most flaccid posts and who posts last prevails. It's both timeworn and true. Absurd more than anything else however.

You have covered these quotes several times in different scatterings yet I've knocked 'em back each time. Each stab in the dark is so easy to recognize and to disarm.

I've said from my first posts the Committee was not unanimous about the Minority Staff Report. The fact of a division is ordinary, predictable and thereby no surprise. So the chairman ordered up a Majority Staff Report to try to counter the Minority Staff Report ordered by the ranking member. (zzzzzzzzzz....oh, do pardon my snoring thx.)

We recall the Minority Staff Report pointed out that your darlings the NRA and Russia need an IRS investigation because NRA has become a Russian asset in USA elections. This sabotage of American values and elections needs to be addressed despite the fact Russia is not your enemy and because you'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat or a democrat. Russia is my enemy however hence my position on the content of the Minority Staff Report which I accept and support.

I have addressed the additional note several times already in response to your silliness. If the Ranking Member of the Finance Committee Sen. Wyden who ordered up the Minority Staff Report wanted to insert the Report into the Congressional Record he could do it with the Unanimous Consent of the other 99 Senators. The senator could do that because it is a common senatorial courtesy to any individual senator for each senator to grant such Unanimous Consent (this is so in the House also). There is of course more than one category of Senate report (this is true in the House also). If this might sound familiar to you it would be of course because I've said it to you several times in several posts over several pages.

The problem here in the posting is of course twofold. Number one the Right hasn't any rule of law much less any valid rules of parliamentary procedures and processes which is why you don't get it. Secondly, Your Gotcha Moment is a Big Bust which means you'll have to keep on repeating your smokescreen posting for an indefinite period of time yet. You won't be completely lonely however because you have a couple of Right Wing Pals to help you on your self embarrassing trek through Nowhereland.

All the same you do have the driving motivation however that the NRA and Russia attacking the national sovereignty of the United States makes 'em both your BFF. So their enemy is your enemy too. Moi.

Bon chance with that.

The bull**** is getting pretty deep. If you need 1000 words to cover over your own mistake, so be it, just don't expect anyone else to believe it.

 

[Tangmo]

The bull**** is getting pretty deep. If you need 1000 words to cover over your own mistake, so be it, just don't expect anyone else to believe it.

The bull**** is getting pretty deep. If you need 1000 words to cover over your own mistake, so be it, just don't expect anyone else to believe it.

NRA as a Russian asset in USA has two daggers to the heart effects.

One is guns and lots of 'em in the hands of Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarian Rightists. We're talking about the Putin-Trump Rowers, ie, the enemies of the Constitution. They have personal stores of lots of automatic weapons with lots of ammunition and clear goals and purposes concerning the nation.

Another is that the NRA connects to Russia in USA elections, as pointed out in the Minority Staff Report of the Senate Finance Committee, among other official sources. This identifies the NRA as a homegrown assailant against the national sovereignty of the United States, given Russian intelligence and military are active in USA elections and electoral processes and procedures. Voters in the USA are no longer the exclusive deciders who choose our leaders of government.

Which takes us directly to the Republican Party.

We see moreover by the installation of Donald Trump as potus that the Republic Party has become Russia's biggest and grandest asset in the USA. Which is why the increasing number of us over here see the absolute need of a second national reconstruction to reestablish the national sovereignty and electoral integrity, the national security with vital allies; and the national defense.

It has become clear that a second national reconstruction is required to retake and reestablish the United States and our Constitution against all its enemies foreign and domestic. I'm afraid it's the only way out of the relentless chaos and unrelenting disintegration that Putin-Trump and Rowers continue to create endlessly and to aggravate. It is they who are Making America Russia Instead. Putin can't do it without 'em. Which is why Putin knows they're his best bet.

 

[haymarket]

I started teaching in 1971 and kept at it for over 33 years. When students said they acquired a weapon like a gun, I always urged them to take a class in gun safety through the NRA. I thought it was the responsible thing to do and highly advised it.

Sadly, the once proud group which used to do a great deal on gun education and safety now is a right wing political group that stresses rightwing politics more than anything else.

America would be much better off if the NRA ceased to exist.

 

[Tangmo]

I started teaching in 1971 and kept at it for over 33 years. When students said they acquired a weapon like a gun, I always urged them to take a class in gun safety through the NRA. I thought it was the responsible thing to do and highly advised it.

Sadly, the once proud group which used to do a great deal on gun education and safety now is a right wing political group that stresses rightwing politics more than anything else.

America would be much better off if the NRA ceased to exist.

Likewise the Republican Party.

 

[haymarket]

Likewise the Republican Party.

Which is doubly sad.

 

[Donc]

QUOTE- TurtleDude;1070702650]that's really stupid and unconstitutional.

"The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens the right to bear arms. Ratified in December 1791, the amendment says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

tell me why an AR 15 with a fixed stock and a muzzle brake is not "unusually dangerous" but one with an adjustable stock and a flash hider is/ Because under the Clinton gun ban the former could be made and sold as new, the latter could not be

I give 58 reasons for the bump ban.:2wave:

 

[OpportunityCost]

NRA as a Russian asset in USA has two daggers to the heart effects.

One is guns and lots of 'em in the hands of Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarian Rightists. We're talking about the Putin-Trump Rowers, ie, the enemies of the Constitution. They have personal stores of lots of automatic weapons with lots of ammunition and clear goals and purposes concerning the nation.

Another is that the NRA connects to Russia in USA elections, as pointed out in the Minority Staff Report of the Senate Finance Committee, among other official sources. This identifies the NRA as a homegrown assailant against the national sovereignty of the United States, given Russian intelligence and military are active in USA elections and electoral processes and procedures. Voters in the USA are no longer the exclusive deciders who choose our leaders of government.

Which takes us directly to the Republican Party.

We see moreover by the installation of Donald Trump as potus that the Republic Party has become Russia's biggest and grandest asset in the USA. Which is why the increasing number of us over here see the absolute need of a second national reconstruction to reestablish the national sovereignty and electoral integrity, the national security with vital allies; and the national defense.

It has become clear that a second national reconstruction is required to retake and reestablish the United States and our Constitution against all its enemies foreign and domestic. I'm afraid it's the only way out of the relentless chaos and unrelenting disintegration that Putin-Trump and Rowers continue to create endlessly and to aggravate. It is they who are Making America Russia Instead. Putin can't do it without 'em. Which is why Putin knows they're his best bet.

I see someone doesn't want to discuss his obvious error and instead wants to pontificate pompously. You're still wrong.

 

[OpportunityCost]

"The Second Amendment provides U.S. citizens the right to bear arms. Ratified in December 1791, the amendment says: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."



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I give 58 reasons for the bump ban.:2wave:

I support the bump stock ban, its just a way to get around an existing law and should be banned.

 

[Tangmo]

I see someone doesn't want to discuss his obvious error and instead wants to pontificate pompously. You're still wrong.

Your Right Wing NRA-Russia Gotcha Moment was a Big Bust.

It was buried with the last dog after it died. That's why you couldn't find it over there.

RIP Mutt the last. You're now officially in overtime.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Your Right Wing NRA-Russia Gotcha Moment was a Big Bust.

It was buried with the last dog after it died. That's why you couldn't find it over there.

RIP Mutt the last. You're now officially in overtime.

Name calling now? Won't make you right.

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[Tangmo]

Name calling now? Won't make you right.

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You're doing what Trump does.

No surprise of course.

It's how the Right flatters themselves. They show their colors by posting forever without merit. Never say die over there. The Trump Train is a wreckage yet you guys keep on truckin.

 

[OpportunityCost]

You're doing what Trump does.

No surprise of course.

It's how the Right flatters themselves. They show their colors by posting forever without merit. Never say die over there. The Trump Train is a wreckage yet you guys keep on truckin.

Dude, you are the one posting without merit, you have been asked repeatedly to validate your comment and you have diverted, baited, evaded and done everything but provide evidence. Your argument is rejected.

 

[Tangmo]

Dude, you are the one posting without merit, you have been asked repeatedly to validate your comment and you have diverted, baited, evaded and done everything but provide evidence. Your argument is rejected.

Saying this a hundred times does not make it true.

The posts are nothing but the standard and typical Right Wing diarrhea. It's the rule over there once a thread and topic have hit the proverbial wall. Each time and every time regardless.

That is, you've had to eat your own cooking concoction. Your own failed Gotcha Moment has given you the runs.