The NRA stands in opposition to jackasses, morons, and douchebags that seize upon every possible opportunity to attempt to force new legislation and laws in the furtherance of their agenda. They protect the Constitutional freedoms of millions of Americans. If there wasnt the steady drumbeat of antigun rhetoric, the NRA would be relatively silent while promoting gun safety course and responsible gun ownership. When ****heads legislatively attack, they respond.
This isnt the time for the NRA rep to have that discussion and he damn sure shouldnt have brought the concept of blame or responsibility into this. There is only one person responsible for this and he is currently under arrest.
I would think that the NRA should be completely condemning the shooter in this case. He is exactly what the NRA is against... an irresponsible and criminal gun user.
The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
Anyone with prior knowledge of the shooter's intent that didn't come forward should be charged as an accomplice. This was a disgusting act portrayed by a complete coward. These folks were good church going people who accepted all who came, the shooter exploited that, and unfortunately that was a play that worked for the dirtbag. I am not going to mince words, hell will be very eventful for the POS.
I would guess this NRA executive has been pulled into a back room and read the riot act. Of the pro-2A groups they are the one I least respect but they still advocate responsible exercise. What this guy stated is beyond belief and honestly goes completely against the founding principles of the NRA, he is likely done for TBH. Anyone who is honestly pro-2A advocates responsible ownership and bearing. This shooting was abhorrent, disgusting, and no one should take anything from it but sorrow. This shooter is probably the one I most hate and that is saying something, while I am 100% on the side of legal carry, I advocate responsible use, and with that I also advocate ethical use of force, pretty much meaning only in defense, never to murder, and absolutely never using violence against the innocent.
The NRA guy should do the same thing anti-gun people should do at a time like this. Enjoy a nice tall glass of shut the **** up.
I can't agree with that, the law should not require people who are not police officers to affirmatively stop a crime.
While I don't think they should be required to intervene physically(I would never advocate that). I think if someone has knowledge of prior intent and they do nothing, they should at least have some culpability. It may have been harsh to advocate accomplice charges because that would require a participation, there should be some minimal liability if a person has intimate knowledge of ill intent and says nothing until it is too late. In a lot of these mass murders, someone knew something and did nothing, there has to be some consequence to that IMO.I can't agree with that, the law should not require people who are not police officers to affirmatively stop a crime.
Exactly right. The church had every expectation of safety here, they shouldn't have felt the need to carry to worship. This little prick decided on his own to "start a race war", and killed innocents in cold blood, there is nothing lower than what this little coward did.I agree. I fully support responsible gun ownership and usage. That is not what this was. If we want to go the "common sense" route, anyone, pro-gun or anti-gun should be able to see this for what it was. Supporting the 2A had nothing to do with this incident, nor did choosing not to own a gun.
At least let them know "hey, person X mentioned he was thinking about.....". At least at that point the authorities have been notified and the proper precautions can be taken. if nothing else we erred on the side of caution. If the person was just talking big, no big deal. If that person was considering acting on the threat, then it can be stopped.I don't think that's what LMR was meaning. I think what he meant was that if the shooter told someone that he was going to do this, the person he told should have informed authorities.
I've carried a gun in church before. No different then the grocery store or the national forest or what have you.
I'm in neither a skin head not a militia member (actually under Washington law as a male citizen adult I technically am a member of the unorganized militia but still) I'm not even a republican, and I was a member for some time
No. There is no-one to blame for this other than the one pulling the trigger, and to a somewhat lesser extent those who knew and failed to stop him, those who taught him to hate, and those who believe the same things he does. There is no way no know, there is no reason to believe that any of those 9 people would have been carrying or if one of them was that it would have made a difference.
I get the point, but I do not agree. Even if it was kosher to carry in church, few people do, too few to count on one being present any given dayCotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
No excuses for this little bastard. Plenty of people have had it tougher than him and not killed innocents.It was only a matter of time before somebody on the right figured out a way to blame the black people involved in this. The judge opened up the hearing today by first expressing sympathy for the shooter's family. That should give you some insight on how this is gonna go down. I wouldn't be surprised if by next week we hear that Roof had a really tough childhood.
Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
No excuses for this little bastard. Plenty of people have had it tougher than him and not killed innocents.
it can't be that his logic is flawed because that's not what's being questioned, at least not by people with a brain. Just his "insensitivity."
read the post after yours and think - hard. You have a problem.
Gun violence will never be solved by more guns.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
Funny how the only place that people go on shooting sprees is where no one else has a gun....
Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
No, that is how they used to be. Today, the organization appeals to extremist views and ideology. They are not protecting anyone except the big $$$ gun manufactures.
I left due to LaPierres "Jack booted thugs" comment. They definitely should rethink some of the things said. Still...while we can point to the occasional instance that is just radically over the top, the fact remains they DO actively stand for 120 million legal gun owners.No kidding, stuff like this is why I left the NRA. They need to learn a better strategy, I recommend everyone quit the NRA and join Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
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