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(NPR) Holy white smoke, we have a new pope! (2 Viewers)

Nickyjo said:
It will be interesting to see if and how the new Pope carries on Francis’s implied criticism of Trump on immigration.
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You can get a sense of how he will carry on what Pope Francis started with 'implied criticism', only I think Pope Leo won't be as implied, I think he will be direct. He re-tweeted this less than one month ago.

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Chomsky said:
Not my fav. But, he's a fighter. And tough. And, definitely better than we've got bow. And, he's been there.

I doubt he wants the job though . . .
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Illinois can do so so so much better. I'd like to hear a lot more from Governor Pritzger.

Rahm is a prick and shit on the base too much while pushing Obama to the right. I recall when he told the left in the party to shut the **** up. Then he said the same to the UAW. Not what the Dem party needs IMO.

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More taunts to the Democratic base

Emanuel drops another F-bomb on a progressive ally, while Alan Simpson blames some veterans for our budget woes
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Chomsky said:
The Catholic Church can be a dichotomy in respect to social structures.
Its social teaching on some issues like marriage is extremely Conservative. Yet most of its public social teaching would be considered highly liberal. The Church believes we are all Children of God, and are here to help each other. Faith, Hope, Charity, and all that.
To extrapolate that ethos & ideology to public policy, necessitates enacting what we would think of as liberal public policy. Caring for the poor, nursing the sick, etc.
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It seems to me that for a fairly long time, the Church lost its way and became way more concerned with what adults do in their bedrooms than with people in need.

The last Pope changed that somewhat, and it sounds like this new Pope will continue that encouraging development.
 
Napoleon said:
Leo XIII expressed strong opposition to the exploitation of workers, but that should not be mistaken for being a liberal Pope. His position as it related to the doctrine and practices of the Church was staunchly conservative and he was very much opposed to the liberalization of the Church. And that’s how he ran it.

Do not expect a new catechism from Leo XIV. He is not known to be liberal. He was elected as a conservative leaning moderate to stop the divisive runaway train of liberalism his predecessor was driving (notably through random off the cuff remarks he later had to retract) and restore the Church to something akin to middle ground.
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I'm familiar with Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, but not as familiar with the lives of the two men to the respect you seem to be.

However if our new Pope has the qualities you describe, while promoting the social teaching of Rerum Novarum, I might consider that ideal.

Despite my relatively Liberal take on public policy, I live my personal life quite Conservatively and prefer my Faith & Liturgy the same. We were not just raised Catholic, but my folks were Opus Dei - as well. I love that solemnity. And, I greatly miss the Latin Mass.

So what you're describing sounds ideal, to be honest.

And thanks for your contributions. Much appreciated.
 
poweRob said:
Let's hope they didn't sell the papacy away.

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MAGA Tries to Sway Pope Vote With $100 Bottles of Wine and Billion-Dollar Promises

As the College of Cardinals prepare to vote on a new pope this week, conservative U.S. Catholics are trying to
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During the event, the wealthy VIPs made their preferences for the next pope clear.​
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“This room could raise a billion to help the church, so long as we have the right pope,” one guest a reporter from the Times.​
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The Napa Institute, a MAGA-friendly Catholic network based out of California, also led a “once in a lifetime” pilgrimage to Rome this year that just happened to land its members in the middle of the pre-conclave action, The New York Times reported.​
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I cannot see them wanting the American guy...even if he is American...he is progressive...he condemned the administration.
 
HumblePi said:
I think there must have been a lot of discussion among the conclave regarding the influence of religion in the United States. It's just a fact that Evangelical Christians paved a clear path for Trump to take over and move our country so far to the right that we are losing democracy. We have turned into a country designed specifically for the wealthy, and blind to the needs of the remaining 90% of Americans. An American Pope! Is it really a mere coincidence that a Pope coming from the United States was chosen to lead the U.S. in a better direction, not only for this country, but for the world in general?
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But he isn’t an American Pope. Sure, he was born here, but he left the U.S. in 1982 to become a priest and never looked back. After his ordination in Rome, he went to Peru and there he stayed until his creation as Cardinal in 2023.
 
Chomsky said:
Are you saying the Catholic Church just trolled POTUS?
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Either than or they thought "How do we choose the best embodiment of what Christianity should be?" Answer: anything that is anti-MAGA!
 
Moon said:
The guy’s been Pope for 5 minutes and everyone’s trying to figure out which team he’s on to see if they support him or not. Hilarious.
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The Reality is Pope is a highly political position.

And the Church speaks very deliberately and through symbolism. Everything the Church does has symbolic reference. There's so much of it, even the most staunch Catholics are only aware of a sliver of it. It's taking me a long life as a Cradle Catholic to realize this.
 
My dad is pretty interested in who becomes pope because he is a catholic but im like ehh?
 
Chomsky said:
And let's not forget he's an Augustinian, too.
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I knew that another Jesuit would not be elected right after Francis. (Don’t know if any Jesuits actually were among the papabili.)

Second Spanish speaker in a row — I see this as very important in terms of Catholics worldwide.
 
Napoleon said:
But he isn’t an American Pope. Sure, he was born here, but he left the U.S. in 1982 to become a priest and never looked back. After his ordination in Rome, he went to Peru and there he stayed until his creation as Cardinal in 2023.
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Why do you think it matters where his ministry has been? He's the first American Pope. He's an American and he's the new Pope. Carrying on a ministry in Peru or anywhere else in the world for no matter how many years, doesn't change his ancestry and place of birth, he's still an American.

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After receiving his licentiate in 1984, he was sent to work in the mission of Chulucanas, in Piura, Peru, from 1985 to 1986.

He mostly served in Peru until returning in the late 1990s to Chicago, where he was elected to lead the Augustinians' Midwest province in 1999. He was subsequently twice elected prior general, or top leader, of the Augustinian religious order.
 
noonereal said:
I was discussing this just the other day.

What empire has lasted this long or has spread so?
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There a lot of reasons why Catholics love their Catholicism.

Obviously the best reason would be the Faith aspect. But there is just a treasure trove of Church documents & history intertwined with Western Civilization to be enjoyed.

If you're a history buff, if you take interest in the history of Western Civilization, it just simply all comes together in a fascinating way.

The Catholic Church promotes the "Laying of the Hands" as the physical & theological lineage from the Apostles. We can debate as to whether the laying of the hands to incur Apostolic Succession did indeed physically take place continuously from the very earliest A.D. Apostolic times. It is claimed Biblically.

I indeed have a Priest in the family. That hands were laid upon him during his receiving Holy Orders, hands that may indeed have gone back two millennia, is an absolutely amazing thing.

What other institution can make that claim? For the right person, this is fascinating and appealing stuff.
 
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