Notes From The Didache On The Early Christian View Of Abortion

[BirdinHand]

The laws definition is irrelevant. The definition above is in alignment with God's definition.

I wonder what God would think of your posts.

 

[Gordy327]

The laws definition is irrelevant.

In this country they're not!

The definition above is in alignment with God's definition.

Who cares? No one is required to go by "God's definition." God doesn't write the dictionary or legal codes here.

 

[Gordy327]

I wonder what God would think of your posts.

Most ungodly

 

[VySky]

I wonder what God would think of your posts.

Keep wondering.

 

[VySky]

In this country they're not!

Actually, what constitutes as "personhood" took a big hit with the overturn of Roe.

And as the states become more in control look for the definition to continue its track back towards reality.

 

[Gordy327]

Actually, what constitutes as "personhood" took a big hit with the overturn of Roe.

Really? Explain how Dobbs legally changed "personhood." None of the states nor the Federal government acknowledges the unborn as legal persons. Alabama comes the closest, but still stops short of establishing actual personhood.

And as the states become more in control look for the definition to continue its track back towards reality.

The states do not override federal law or the Constitution.

 

[BirdinHand]

Keep wondering.

Not my soul at stake

 

[VySky]

The states do not override federal law or the Constitution.

The court ruled the Constitution doesn’t guarantee a right to abortion.

 

[VySky]

Not my soul at stake

Well that must mean you will not be "wondering" any longer.

 

[Gordy327]

The court ruled the Constitution doesn’t guarantee a right to abortion.

That has nothing to do with personhood or my post. Neither did the court prohibit abortion. Women can still have an abortion without due process.

 

[VySky]

That has nothing to do with personhood or my post. Neither did the court prohibit abortion. Women can still have an abortion without due process.

Again, the states are out in front and have implemented "fetal personhood" laws to protect the unborn. Laws which are constitutional.

 

[Gordy327]

Again, the states are out in front and have implemented "fetal personhood" law to protect the unborn. Laws which are constitutional.

No, they are not. Neither has any state actually established fetal personhood. Some have tried, but failed. As I said, Alabama is the closest, but only within the context of abortion itself. It still does not recognize the unborn as an actual person. Doing so would violate federal & constitutional law. Neither is there any way to establish fetal personhood without infringing on the personhood, rights, and autonomy of the pregnant woman, which would be unconstitutional.

 

[BirdinHand]

No, they are not. Neither has any state actually established fetal personhood. Some have tried, but failed. As I said, Alabama is the closest, but only within the context of abortion itself. It still does not recognize the unborn as an actual person. Doing so would violate federal & constitutional law. Neither is there any way to establish fetal personhood without infringing on the personhood, rights, and autonomy of the pregnant woman, which would be unconstitutional.

Man, I’m going to have a GIGANTIC child tax credit for frozen embryos if fetal personhood becomes a thing

 

[Gordy327]

Man, I’m going to have a GIGANTIC child tax credit for frozen embryos if fetal personhood becomes a thing

I find those advocating for fetal personhood and abortion restrictions never think these things through. They are driven purely by emotion.

 

[VySky]

No, they are not. Neither has any state actually established fetal personhood. Some have tried, but failed. As I said, Alabama is the closest, but only within the context of abortion itself. It still does not recognize the unborn as an actual person. Doing so would violate federal & constitutional law. Neither is there any way to establish fetal personhood without infringing on the personhood, rights, and autonomy of the pregnant woman, which would be unconstitutional.

But not ungodly.

 

[Gordy327]

But not ungodly.

Irrelevant. We are not a theocracy nor bound by religion or religious law or dogma. But at least you admit "godliness" involves subjugation and treating women as second class citizens.

 

[Ganondagan]

Who cares? If god has an issue with abortion, god can come and do something about it himself! It's certinly none of your or anyone else's business or concern what another chooses regarding their pregnancy/body. It's also rather arrogant to claim to know what the grandest possible entity likes or dislikes.

Millions agree that abortion is immoral, the deliberate killing of a human life. Morality is an appropriate concern for every American, white, black, male, or female. If someone feels a behavior is immoral he is free to speak loudly about it.

 

[Gordy327]

Millions agree that abortion is immoral, the deliberate killing of a human life. Morality is an appropriate concern for every American, white, black, male, or female. If someone feels a behavior is immoral he is free to speak loudly about it.

They can speak all they want. But they do not get to impose their idea of morality onto anyone else. Especially since morality is subjective. Abortion in no more "immoral" or "killing a human life" than removing a tumor is. Fortunately, our laws are based around the Constitution, not one's idea of morality or their emotional qualms.

 

[Ganondagan]

They can speak all they want. But they do not get to impose their idea of morality onto anyone else. Especially since morality is subjective. Abortion in no more "immoral" or "killing a human life" than removing a tumor is. Fortunately, our laws are based around the Constitution, not one's idea of morality or their emotional qualms.

Abortion is immoral, and no, I have no intention of "forcing" my morality onto others. You aren't browbeaten into listening to me. Just go on your immoral way through life.

 

[Gordy327]

Abortion is immoral,

Says who? By what authority? I have no moral (or emotional) qualms about abortion. Some feel abortion is immoral. Others do not. So who's to say if abortion is moral or immoral, beyond personal views?

and no, I have no intention of "forcing" my morality onto others. You aren't browbeaten into listening to me. Just go on your immoral way through life.

Who are you to say if my life is immoral or not, especially since you know nothing about me? But if you're going to make assertions of morality or immorality, especially without explanation, then expect to be called out or challenged on it.

 

[Lursa]

Millions agree that abortion is immoral, the deliberate killing of a human life. Morality is an appropriate concern for every American, white, black, male, or female. If someone feels a behavior is immoral he is free to speak loudly about it.

Millions agreed that slavery was moral, millions agreed that divorce was immoral. Societies change. Most societies progress in their values.

Here in the US, the abortion issue isnt about people "liking" abortion, it's about what's best...for women, society, and even children.

If you consider abortion immoral, it is less so than forcing women to remain pregnant against their will, risking their lives, their health, and their futures without their consent to produce a child that cannot be supported emotionally, financially, or physically. Often that will knowingly be born into an abusive home, one of domestic violence or drug use, of poverty, etc. When all things are equal...the woman suffers great pain and sickness, and loss of her moral agency and respect as an individual in our society. The unborn suffers nothing. This alone shows that denying women abortions is immoral. Inflicting pain and suffering unnecessarily on another without their consent is immoral...malicious and punitive.

That abortion does not negatively affect society in any way, (if you disagree, please list some ways) however it can enable a woman/couple to fulfill their lives and opportunities and contributions in society, that otherwise may have been sacrificed by that pregnancy/child. It gives them the opportunity to go on and have children when they are in a more secure position to do so.

So yes morality is a concern for society...so shouldnt society choose the most moral path for protecting those that suffer and contribute, and consider what's best for society itself?

 

[Ganondagan]

Says who? By what authority? I have no moral (or emotional) qualms about abortion. Some feel abortion is immoral. Others do not. So who's to say if abortion is moral or immoral, beyond personal views?

Who are you to say if my life is immoral or not, especially since you know nothing about me? But if you're going to make assertions of morality or immorality, especially without explanation, then expect to be called out or challenged on it.

I get to say what is moral and immoral. Life you wantt

Says who? By what authority? I have no moral (or emotional) qualms about abortion. Some feel abortion is immoral. Others do not. So who's to say if abortion is moral or immoral, beyond personal views?

Who are you to say if my life is immoral or not, especially since you know nothing about me? But if you're going to make assertions of morality or immorality, especially without explanation, then expect to be called out or challenged on it.

I am who gets to say what is moral and immoral. If you want to challenge me on it, go ahead, shake your fist at the clouds.

 

[Gordy327]

I get to say what is moral and immoral. Life you wantt

I made no declaration of morality.

I am who gets to say what is moral and immoral. If you want to challenge me on it, go ahead, shake your fist at the clouds.

Who made you the arbiter of morality? Get over yourself!

 

[Ganondagan]

Millions agreed that slavery was moral, millions agreed that divorce was immoral. Societies change. Most societies progress in their values.

Here in the US, the abortion issue isnt about people "liking" abortion, it's about what's best...for women, society, and even children.

Here in the US, the abortion issue isnt about people "liking" abortion, it's about what's best...for women, society, and even children.

The Supreme Court and the 2024 election decided the matter. It's a decision for the states, and many states don't agree with you, they think morality counts and have already acted on it.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm suggesting that, without reference to God or any other spiritual being, the message of love your neighbor as yourself is one of reciprocity, and that is not necessarily religious. Little kids who know zilch about religion still know tit for tat, and though its not as nice a way of saying it, the message has great similarity.

It's 100% religious it came from religion I don't care that people know it they know it because it's from religion and religions been around for millennia

No, none of the born are dependent on one individual person biologically. If a woman does have breast milk, the baby can survive anyway. They used soy in East Asia, coconut milk in Southeast Asia, goat milk in Tibet, etc., and in many places, lactating women fed unrelated children when the women who gave birth didn't have milk. There is absolutely no biological dependence on one person's biological body. That's why adoption at birth can be total and the birth parents can hide their identity.

Yes there is how did they take care of themselves when they're 6 months old. I think you're splitting some hairs here.

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Huge numbers of women want to give birth in moderation, so there's no danger of our extinction from abortion or, indeed, contraception or even some women deciding not to have sex with men. This is an entirely over the top argument.

So then it is in parasite and all this weird shit you're saying is just misanthropic nonsense.