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North Korea Calls U.S. Attitude During Talks With Pompeo ‘Regrettable’

code1211 said:
What's going to happen after 2020?

Will we get another Democrat who will hide under his bed wetting his pants? That's what led to the place we were at when Trump took office and Rocket Man was launching missiles into the Sea of Japan.
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We'll have a new occupant in the White House, perhaps one who won't be buddies with Kim Jung Un while he/she alienates leaders of the western democracies.

Nothing hyper partisan about your characterization of Democrats, oh, no.

Maybe if Trump doesn't run/doesn't get the nomination/ gets impeached, we'll have a Republican in the White House who actually is a Republican. How would that suit you?
 
code1211 said:
So, then, we offered nothing and lost nothing in the attempt to talk with Kim.

However, the Little Rocket Man is not launching missiles anymore, is he.
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No, not now. He's too busy upgrading his nuclear program.
 
Cardinal said:
*sigh*

"We'll see" is the lowest bar one can set for anybody and anything. If your bar had always been set that low, then you would have declared Obama to be the greatest President that ever lived. Unless you're literally suggesting that if Obama had just thought to say, "We'll see," you would have been praising him?

This is demeaning, but I found an example of Obama saying "we'll see."

"Whether or not we can get it done, we’ll see.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/obama-syria-chemical-weapons-90770_Page2.html

So, is Obama an amazing President in your eyes now? Goal post move in 5...4...3...
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Well, there you go! I never said he wasn't amazing. He was. He posted a couple firsts and a couple biggest in histories.

First president since Hoover to never have a year of 3% GDP growth. Grew the Debt by more than any president ever.

By simply leaving the White House he initiated the most dramatic run up in the stock market in history. Amazing!

The Trump Bump actually started when it was generally accepted that Hillary would be elected president the following day.

As long as it was not going to be Obama, the people seemed to like the prospects. When it turned out it was Trump, the people downright LOVED it.
 
Cardinal said:
It must be nice, being able to adopt a completely contradictory narrative and political position for every possible moment.
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In what have I been contradictory?
 
code1211 said:
What particular deal are you referencing?

The one that Trump is working to create or the one that Obama actively avoided? Both?

Is there any other thing that might indicate success for a president's term?

The economy? The well being of the people? Anything else at all?
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I assumed we were talking about North Korea, why are we hijacking a thread to talk about something else?
 
jimbo said:
We haven't lost prestige. The talks with NoKo are a couple months old. A year we had no lines of communication open. Now we do. Expecting immediate results in a 75 year old problem will not happen.
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We have gone through periods of black-out communication. We have open lines now, just like we did in other times. But nobody paraded around their own glory, thereby shoving the actual issue to the periphery. It was Trump who declared to the world that he solved North Korea with a "special bond." He and his loyalists don't get to pretend that it was everybody else who was jaded. Everybody else saw through the transparency.


jimbo said:
The solution of the last guy in charge was to ignore the problem hoping it will go away or dropping pallets of unmarked cash on the runway and hoping the bad guy will suddenly become a really good guy. Neither works.
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This is senseless. The last guy did what Bush did. Before Bush we have 10 U.S. Presidents who could do nothing about North Korea and this was before the North tested its first nuke in 2006. Ignoring the problem, in which we largely created, had become a national pastime and Obama hardly dropped a pallet of unmarked cash on the runway. This is partisan nonsense.

What works is China pressuring North Korea and North Korea giving in to who ever happens to be in the White House at the time (even if it means dealing with an ass who insulted you throughout the year and encouraged launches). The solution appears to be the guy standing when the other side decides that it is time.
 
Dittohead not! said:
We'll have a new occupant in the White House, perhaps one who won't be buddies with Kim Jung Un while he/she alienates leaders of the western democracies.

Nothing hyper partisan about your characterization of Democrats, oh, no.

Maybe if Trump doesn't run/doesn't get the nomination/ gets impeached, we'll have a Republican in the White House who actually is a Republican. How would that suit you?
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Actually I look forward to Trump being re-elected and then to finally witnessing the election of the first woman president: Ivanka.

The heads of Democrats blowing up will be better than the biggest July 4th ever.
 
Dittohead not! said:
No, not now. He's too busy upgrading his nuclear program.
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No knowledge based on no information.

Sounds like the party line again and again and again and again...
 
code1211 said:
Do you think that negotiating a solution to this problem might involve talking at some point?
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I would imagine so, sport. It needn’t involve overpromising and overselling what’s being accomplished to blow smoke up the public’s collective bum and score political points. Doing so runs the risk of inciting undue political pressure to rashly act when DPRK doesn’t denuclearize (they won’t, FWIW). Disarmament should be the goal, but the public’s expectations should be managed. If we get meaningful concessions, curbing further developments in their warhead and delivery capabilities and limiting or eliminating their other malignant activities, we can plausibly view that as a success—unless Trump continues to run his mouth as though he’s negotiated a result (DPRK disarmament) that is very unlikely to happen.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I assumed we were talking about North Korea, why are we hijacking a thread to talk about something else?
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You said that you consider Trump to be among the three worst presidents in US History.
 
code1211 said:
No knowledge based on no information.

Sounds like the party line again and again and again and again...
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Yes, the CIA party line, substantiated by satellite pictures. Nothing to see here, folks, Trump hasn't tweeted it, so it hasn't happened.
 
LincolnRossiter said:
I would imagine so, sport. It needn’t involve overpromising and overselling what’s being accomplished to blow smoke up the public’s collective bum and score political points. Doing so runs the risk of inciting undue political pressure to rashly act when DPRK doesn’t denuclearize (they won’t, FWIW). Disarmament should be the goal, but the public’s expectations should be managed. If we get meaningful concessions, curbing further developments in their warhead and delivery capabilities and limiting or eliminating their other malignant activities, we can plausibly view that as a success—unless Trump continues to run his mouth as though he’s negotiated a result (DPRK disarmament) that is very unlikely to happen.
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Ah-ha! So you just don't like Trump.

That's okay.

I don't like Tom Brady, but he's the best.
 
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code1211 said:
Actually I look forward to Trump being re-elected and then to finally witnessing the election of the first woman president: Ivanka.

The heads of Democrats blowing up will be better than the biggest July 4th ever.
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Sounds like a story that should start with Once upon a time.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, the CIA party line, substantiated by satellite pictures. Nothing to see here, folks, Trump hasn't tweeted it, so it hasn't happened.
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Just so you can get up to speed, here's some reading that is not from you party propaganda rag.


Korea Summit Document: What Did Trump and Kim Jong Un Agree in Singapore?
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These are the four key points from the document signed by Kim and Trump:

The United States and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
Reaffirming the April 27, 2018, Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-...-it-expanding-nuclear-research-center-n887056
 
Dittohead not! said:
Sounds like a story that should start with Once upon a time.
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Just like this one:

Once Upon a Time, Donald J. Trump came down an escalator and the political world changed.
 
imagep said:
Trump hasn't made a deal the entire time that he has been in office. Just how long do we have to keep waiting?
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As long as it takes. Unless, of course, you want to demand that he snap his little fingers and make it happen.
 
Anybody who thought NK would drop their nukes after a meeting with Trump has grossly unrealistic expectations. The intent was to pressure them from the start, and the pressure will continue. Of course They're going to complain. Further, Kim will require face-saving moments he can display. We're getting past the token gestures of the prelude where glad-handing and such were in order. Who expected this to be easy, once the real talks got started?
 
humbolt said:
Anybody who thought NK would drop their nukes after a meeting with Trump has grossly unrealistic expectations. The intent was to pressure them from the start, and the pressure will continue. Of course They're going to complain. Further, Kim will require face-saving moments he can display. We're getting past the token gestures of the prelude where glad-handing and such were in order. Who expected this to be easy, once the real talks got started?
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who knew healthcare would be so hard?
 
LowDown said:
Negotiations with North Korea will likely be a long and drawn out process with many apparent setbacks. In the meantime I find it distasteful the way you guys cream yourselves every time the US has an apparent setback. It's almost like you're rooting for a nuclear war just to spite Trump.
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Bull****. Trump supporters were creaming themselves when Trump proclaimed "Mission Accomplished" They wanted to pin the Nobel on him.

Face it. He ****ed this up, just like he's going to **** up the economy with his inane trade war.

The flim flam man.
 
code1211 said:
Just so you can get up to speed, here's some reading that is not from you party propaganda rag.


Korea Summit Document: What Did Trump and Kim Jong Un Agree in Singapore?
<snip>
These are the four key points from the document signed by Kim and Trump:

The United States and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
Reaffirming the April 27, 2018, Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-...-it-expanding-nuclear-research-center-n887056
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I've read it. It's a tad short on details, like just when and how NK is going to de nuclearize, and what they want in return. Meanwhile, NK is upgrading its nuclear facilities. Kim Jung Un has promised the same thing before. It's a bit like:
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