No state has met 14-day drop in cases for reopening

[jakiejakester]

Sorry but it isnt the "MILLIONS DEAD you people" predicted and is never going to be. This is like cutting off your arm to fix a hangnail. We are still hovering at around the same danger as second hand smoke deaths. Hardly worth destroy the nation and peoples jobs and life savings.

50,000+ DEAD in the month of April, 2020. What sort of person shrugs it off and compares it to second-hand smoke? OMG! BTW - NO ONE predicted "MILLIONS DEAD" except the ***** Trump who suggested that if we did NOTHING millions would die. Who on earth would ever suggest doing nothing? This is one BS concept!

 

[Casper]

Nevada, unless the governor issues a continuance of the order for shutdown or another type of order, is set to automatically open May 1st. The misses and I are planning on laying low for 3 more weeks to see how things go. I don't think this is going to go well for people.

Agree, that is our game plan, we shall see in three weeks how this is going to work out in the early states, God Help Us, we are going to need it.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Curious, whose fault is that? Govenors or Trump?

Are these choices mutually exclusive or sumpin?


Trump bears responsibility for downplaying the impact of the virus and telling everyone that concerns about the virus are attempts to hurt Trump.
That ****ed the country pretty good.
Provided cover/excuses for a lot of people to do stupid things like pressure their local govt to re-open prematurely.
Trump intimated that governors must please him to receive aid from the fed gov.
So, Trump [bears responsibility for any actions taken with that in mind.

But, we are each individually responsible for our actions.
And governors are responsible for the actions they take.


It seems that there is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Indie guy]

Huh? What? Can you not understand that without Shelter-In-Place the numbers would be exponentially greater? Even with the restrictions more than 50,000 Americans have died in the month of April, 2020. 50,000! We're grieving as a nation and some of you can only think of how this affects you personally, everyone else can "go to hell." Shameful!

The part in your post that I underlined is what we need to pay attention to. Even with social distancing the numbers continue to rise, so the shelter-in-place is obviously not working to its full effect.

We're grieving as a nation mostly because of the economy being allowed to be pushed off a cliff, people being kicked out of their jobs and forced to go on unemployment, small businesses shutting their doors permanently in many cases, and the inability to find basic items at stores. This is affecting all of us personally - much more than the threat of Corona!

 

[Simon W. Moon]

And that is the crux of the biscuit. It's NEVER 100% safe and one can ALWAYS find another reason to keep things locked down.

That's ****ing facetious and a strawman

No one is talking about 100% safety.

People are talking about returning the same levels of relative safety we experienced previously.

But you know that already, don't you?
You just had real point to make, so
you pretended people are expecting to be 100% safe even though there's absolutely zero reason to believe that's the case?

 

[Indie guy]

Nothing works 100% but the reason why you are seeing higher rates is....wait for it.....some people don't listen to the guidelines. So your answer is to just lose all the guidelines and let's spread the disease FASTER so more people can die FASTER. Great plan man. :roll:

Maybe just maybe some people don't adhere to the guidelines because it's impossible to lock oneself inside for a long period of time. It also goes against human nature.

So your answer is what? Cause more unemployment and have everyone live off the government dole. Sounds like a great plan if you like dictatorship and socialism.

 

[jakiejakester]

The part in your post that I underlined is what we need to pay attention to. Even with social distancing the numbers continue to rise, so the shelter-in-place is obviously not working to its full effect.

We're grieving as a nation mostly because of the economy being allowed to be pushed off a cliff, people being kicked out of their jobs and forced to go on unemployment, small businesses shutting their doors permanently in many cases, and the inability to find basic items at stores. This is affecting all of us personally - much more than the threat of Corona!

If you lose your job, your home, your savings you're still ALIVE and can recover. When you're DEAD it's all over - no coming back from DEAD.

Shelter-In-Place is not a cure for god's sake! It is a way to reduce the death rate and kept the numbers, albeit too high, better.

 

[Indie guy]

If you lose you job, your home, your savings you're still ALIVE and can recover. When you're DEAD it's all over - no coming back from DEAD.

Shelter-In-Place is not a cure for god's sake! It is a way to reduce the death rate and kept the numbers, albeit too high, better.

If I lose my job, my home, my savings, that means my entire life goes down the drain, so what's the joy of being alive? If someone ends up homeless or in run-down living quarters and has to use public transportation, that increases the chances of getting infected with a virus anyway.

Can't you see the potential long-term impacts of shutdowns? The remedy might be more harmful than the virus.

 

[Napoleon]

Our Governor justified his decision with the wafer thin reasoning that cases and deaths are less than a 5 day average. He’s also since walked back his mask mandate saying that some people “found it offensive.” First time I’ve been disappointed with his leadership in this crisis.

 

[Praxas]

If I lose my job, my home, my savings, that means my entire life goes down the drain, so what's the joy of being alive? If someone ends up homeless or in run-down living quarters and has to use public transportation, that increases the chances of getting infected with a virus anyway.

Can't you see the potential long-term impacts of shutdowns? The remedy might be more harmful than the virus.

In the state of Nevada the governor has stated there will be no foreclosure procedures during the shutdown, so your mama drama comments are refuted. If your state isn't doing that, move.

 

[Indie guy]

In the state of Nevada the governor has stated there will be no foreclosure procedures during the shutdown, so your mama drama comments are refuted. If your state isn't doing that, move.

During the shutdown, no. But what happens in the long term? The economy likely won't bounce back after the shutdowns are lifted. Government handouts and protections are usually only temporary which they should be.

If you like the government being your life-long nanny, that's not what the USA is about and you should move to a socialist nation.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Maybe just maybe some people don't adhere to the guidelines because it's impossible to lock oneself inside for a long period of time. It also goes against human nature.
So your answer is what? Cause more unemployment and have everyone live off the government dole. Sounds like a great plan if you like dictatorship and socialism.

breath
Keep calm.
Take a deep breath.
There's no need to panic about dictatorships and socialism

Despite the fear-mongers
telling everyone this is an indefinite detention,
we're just waiting a little bit as we prepare.

There are clear and established goals for re-opening.
There's already an end in sight.
The sooner we meet our goals, the sooner we re-open.

We need to get our resources in place
We need the rate of infection to drop
That's it.
Really reasonable goals, don't you think?


In addition to the infection rate dropping we just need these resources in place.
We will need to have full and ample stockpiles of

• PPE for all the healthcare workers nation-wide
• w/e appropriate medical equipment nation-wide
• covid-19 tests nation-wide

We will also need to have a fully staffed organization of contact tracers nation-wide

 

[Lutherf]

That's ****ing facetious and a strawman

No one is talking about 100% safety.

People are talking about returning the same levels of relative safety we experienced previously.

But you know that already, don't you?
You just had real point to make, so
you pretended people are expecting to be 100% safe even though there's absolutely zero reason to believe that's the case?

You weren't "safe" before. You merely didn't know whether some bug was out there or not. The ONLY thing that has changed with CV-19 is that we do know of at least this one specific threat. Well, that and that we get bombarded with how "horrible" it is every minute of every day.

 

[jakiejakester]

If I lose my job, my home, my savings, that means my entire life goes down the drain, so what's the joy of being alive? If someone ends up homeless or in run-down living quarters and has to use public transportation, that increases the chances of getting infected with a virus anyway.

Can't you see the potential long-term impacts of shutdowns? The remedy might be more harmful than the virus.

You'd still be alive and it's not FOREVER. DEAD is FOREVER. You won't lose your home because there aren't foreclosures or evictions. Being alive and with less is far better than being DEAD. How would your family feel if you died because of this, especially if you were exposed because we came back too soon?

BTW - NY Times shows the death rate is far higher than has been reported for many reasons:

U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests - The New York Times

 

[Praxas]

During the shutdown, no. But what happens in the long term? The economy likely won't bounce back after the shutdowns are lifted. Government handouts and protections are usually only temporary which they should be.

If you like the government being your life-long nanny, that's not what the USA is about and you should move to a socialist nation.

Oh please, you don't think they have that in mind? That is part of the re-opening and why it is crucial to do it smartly. You bounce all over the place from socialism to tyranny and can't stick to one talking point. First you said that people would be kicked out during the shutdown and now you're changing it they will be kicked out after the shutdown when that isn't the case even.

Tell you what, if you think it is safe, go on out with the protesters or the front lines and see how well it goes. Again, your mama drama comments are refuted

 

[Lutherf]

Really? Who are the "Some" that you're identifying? I don't know of even 1 person, especially a politician, who wants us to stay closed forever. What a canard! Shame on anyone who suggests such nonsense. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE wants to return to our lives pre-Covid-19. I live in Manhattan and I only go outside 3 times a day to walk my dog. I've not left my block since March 11th. I've not been in a store since March 11th. We get groceries delivered. Someone dies from Covid-19 in NY State every 5 minutes (actually less than that).

I CAN'T WAIT TO BE ABLE TO REOPEN THIS AMAZING CITY AND TO RETURN TO MY LIFE!

"Some people" who believes that...Can't we just realize that this is an emotional time, everyone is under stress and people are anxious?

Let me ask you a question. If NYC has a death rate of 1.5/1000 and Dallas has a death rate of .03/1000 then why should Dallas be prohibited from opening? Are you concerned that cases from Dallas will end up in NYC and increase the death rate there?

Look, if NYC and SF need to stay closed for another decade or whatever until they manage to get things under control then that's THEIR problem. Elsewhere we're not having the same issues and shouldn't be expected to stay locked down because a bunch of "coasties" are uncomfortable leaving their apartment.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

No state has met 14-day drop in cases for reopening

No state that has opted to reopen has come close to the federally recommended 14 consecutive days of declining cases.

Not only has no state met the White House Guideline of 14 consecutive days of declining COVID hospitalizations, but many re-opening states such as Georgia actually have increasing daily COVID hospitalizations.

I am really tired of hearing the Republican governors of Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida, and Texas say they are reopening their state, but the safety of their citizens is their first concern. That is a oxymoron.

With money changing hands, strangers close by with and without mouth coverings -- try eating in a restaurant with your mouth covered -- public rest rooms, door handles at entrances, being safe in the midst of a highly contagious virus is impossible, but politicians from Trump on down say it anyway.

With over 60,000 dead Americans, Trump is worried about the economy and his reelection prospects.

 

[Citizen]

During the shutdown, no. But what happens in the long term? The economy likely won't bounce back after the shutdowns are lifted. Government handouts and protections are usually only temporary which they should be.

If you like the government being your life-long nanny, that's not what the USA is about and you should move to a socialist nation.

The US is also not about letting people starve or die because of no fault of their own

 

[Indie guy]

Oh please, you don't think they have that in mind? That is part of the re-opening and why it is crucial to do it smartly. You bounce all over the place from socialism to tyranny and can't stick to one talking point. First you said that people would be kicked out during the shutdown and now you're changing it they will be kicked out after the shutdown when that isn't the case even.

Tell you what, if you think it is safe, go on out with the protesters or the front lines and see how well it goes. Again, your mama drama comments are refuted

It all comes down to wanting the government to be in control of most everything which apparently you do, and that's both socialist and tyranny.

I'd be willing to bet money that when we look back on this time in the future, we will be banging our heads against the wall over these ridiculous shelter-in-place mandates all because a small percentage of the population contracted the virus. Causing a major disruption over a minority of infected individuals is nothing but a fear-based kneejerk reaction.

 

[jakiejakester]

Look, if NYC and SF need to stay closed for another decade or whatever until they manage to get things under control then that's THEIR problem. Elsewhere we're not having the same issues and shouldn't be expected to stay locked down because a bunch of "coasties" are uncomfortable leaving their apartment.

WTF? First off, SF started their Shelter-In-Place first anywhere and the total deaths in the SF County are less then 25. Pima County where Tucson is = 78. Your original post claimed that "SOME" people want the country to stay closed forever...you ignored my reply pointing out what a bunch of BS your post was. Now, you're switching to the East and West Coast cities but you did so without facts, again.

Is it too much to expect of you that you would stop making sh*t up and actually use facts? BTW - I know Tucson well - my daughter and son-in-law went to U of AZ and they were even married in Tucson! I love Tucson, AZ and I can't believe that a great hub of higher learning has inhabitants who are so cruel and uninformed - uninformed to the point that they don't even know what they're talking about and instead ATTACK NYC, SF, "COASTIES" etc. You wrote that there are people who want the country to stay closed forever. Are you ashamed that you wrote such a malignant post? UGH!

 

[Praxas]

It all comes down to wanting the government to be in control of most everything which apparently you do, and that's both socialist and tyranny.

I'd be willing to bet money that when we look back on this time in the future, we will be banging our heads against the wall over these ridiculous shelter-in-place mandates all because a small percentage of the population contracted the virus. Causing a major disruption over a minority of infected individuals is nothing but a fear-based kneejerk reaction.

blah blah blah more moronic mama drama comments. Come back when you have something productive instead of socialism and tyranny bull**** you spout. You want people to die quicker, that's for sure. People will look back at the utter stupidity of Trump and those who supported him.

 

[RAMOSS]

May 1st is the partial reopening date here in Texas. The stay at home order is expiring on the 30th. Masks are also no longer a requirement, which supersedes all local orders requiring masks.

I personally would have a mask on , anyway.

 

[RAMOSS]

Indeed. If the data we continue to receive shows that high infection prone areas can handle increased number of cases which don't require hospitalization, then moving ahead with openings which feature social distancing guidelines makes sense. I think it would also be smart for states to have a plan B in case there is an overflow of people requiring hospital care; this way it avoids inefficiencies and panic.

The plan cuomo was talking about is opening up those counties that have enough beds open in the hospitals.

 

[RAMOSS]

Colorado is opening, somewhat. Some counties are still doing stay-at-home, and our reopening is staged over the month while keeping an eye on the numbers. We'll see what happens, I'm hoping we can intelligently soft-open without respiking numbers.

The States that are opening will play the part of guinea pig.

Doing it phased and slowly makes sense.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

You weren't "safe" before.

umm, yeah.
I acknowledged that and explained that no on is making that argument.
It's only about relative safety.
But if semantics are all you've got, I guess you run w/ it, yeah?

You merely didn't know whether some bug was out there or not. The ONLY thing that has changed with CV-19 is that we do know of at least this one specific threat.

Since we know of this threat, we are taking steps to mitigate the threat.
That's what you do with threats.
You mitigate threats down to tolerable levels as best you can for the situation.
:shrug:

Well, that and that we get bombarded with how "horrible" it is every minute of every day.

It's an issue where personal actions can actually make a difference in an individual's outcome — unlike taxes or foreign policy.
So, yeah, people want to get that information.
If enough people were clicking on stories about the impact of subsidies on the barter economy of bumble****, the media would be giving us stories about the barter economy of bumble****.

You can always choose to put down your phone, walk away from your monitor, or just read something else if it's getting to you.


I know this period has been very, very hard on Trump supporters.
You guys have been super stressed out worrying about being everyone under house arrest forever and the like
☺ Hang in there guys. ☺

There really is an end in sight.
The fearmongers gathering your clicks might not mention it, but the end of it really does exist.