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No SCOTUS Pick for a President Under Investigation

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Neil Gorsuch is the nominee of a President whose legitimacy is in question.


Originally published as “An Open Letter to Senate Democrats” on 02/26/17, now updated given FBI Director James Comey’s testimony on 03/20/17.


Dear Senate Democrats,

Millions of Americans already believe that the sitting President of the United States colluded with a foreign power to commit espionage, with a goal of producing damning information on his opponent that would sway the election in his favor.

Given this context, James Comey’s revelation on March 20th before the House Intelligence Committee was seismic: the FBI Director admitted that his agency is investigating ties between the sitting President’s campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The American people demand the following:

A formal, independent investigation into the Russian hacking of the election, including all of the former and ongoing personal, financial and political ties between Trump’s team and Russia.

The release of the ten most recent years of Donald Trump’s tax returns, so that the American people can know the extent to which the President and his family are beholden to foreign governments – especially Russia. Unearthing tax returns provides context for further investigation into whether and how the President is in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Millions believe, are equally appalled and deeply concerned that the President and his family are profiting off of the office and accepting gifts from foreign governments that may prompt decision-making that is not in the best interests of the American people.


These are completely legitimate demands that have the best interests of the American public at heart. We want neither a conspirator in the Oval Office, nor an avalanche of conspiracy theories that undermine trust in American democratic institutions. We need cold, hard facts and a fair, legal, non-partisan process for investigation.

Meanwhile, as you know, a Supreme Court seat sits vacant. Hearings are underway for the nominee of a potentially illegitimate President. To our demands above, we add the following:

Senate Democrats must filibuster the confirmation process for Judge Neil Gorsuch and explicitly connect that filibuster directly to our two demands above.


Basing a filibuster on retribution over Senate Republicans’ obstruction of Merrick Garland’s nomination or on Gorsuch’s conservative stances on key issues is moot at this point. The nominating of a Supreme Court Justice is one of the most critical roles of a President. There are too many questions hanging around this presidency to hand over this honor, which can impact the Court for decades, without more scrutiny. The identity of the nominee is entirely beside the point; the filibuster must be linked to the nominator himself. This President – whose very legitimacy is being called into question through his campaign’s potential involvement in Russian subterfuge of our election – should not be allowed to have a nominee confirmed through to the Court or even considered until all questions are resolved.

If the Trump Administration has nothing to hide, then the investigation may take some time, but should be fairly painless. Let’s test that hypothesis. Apply the pressure and use what leverage you have, Senators. Make a McConnell SCOTUS filibuster override synonymous with protecting Donald Trump from meaningful investigation, and we’ll see how that goes for the Republicans.


Senate Democrats: No SCOTUS Pick for a President Under Investigation | The Huffington Post


I can't argue with that ... ;)
 
Arguing that getting the nations work done is acting like a stooge for Trump is a message that brings me great joy.
 
Neil Gorsuch is the nominee of a President whose legitimacy is in question.


Originally published as “An Open Letter to Senate Democrats” on 02/26/17, now updated given FBI Director James Comey’s testimony on 03/20/17.


Dear Senate Democrats,

Millions of Americans already believe that the sitting President of the United States colluded with a foreign power to commit espionage, with a goal of producing damning information on his opponent that would sway the election in his favor.

Given this context, James Comey’s revelation on March 20th before the House Intelligence Committee was seismic: the FBI Director admitted that his agency is investigating ties between the sitting President’s campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The American people demand the following:

A formal, independent investigation into the Russian hacking of the election, including all of the former and ongoing personal, financial and political ties between Trump’s team and Russia.

The release of the ten most recent years of Donald Trump’s tax returns, so that the American people can know the extent to which the President and his family are beholden to foreign governments – especially Russia. Unearthing tax returns provides context for further investigation into whether and how the President is in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Millions believe, are equally appalled and deeply concerned that the President and his family are profiting off of the office and accepting gifts from foreign governments that may prompt decision-making that is not in the best interests of the American people.


These are completely legitimate demands that have the best interests of the American public at heart. We want neither a conspirator in the Oval Office, nor an avalanche of conspiracy theories that undermine trust in American democratic institutions. We need cold, hard facts and a fair, legal, non-partisan process for investigation.

Meanwhile, as you know, a Supreme Court seat sits vacant. Hearings are underway for the nominee of a potentially illegitimate President. To our demands above, we add the following:

Senate Democrats must filibuster the confirmation process for Judge Neil Gorsuch and explicitly connect that filibuster directly to our two demands above.


Basing a filibuster on retribution over Senate Republicans’ obstruction of Merrick Garland’s nomination or on Gorsuch’s conservative stances on key issues is moot at this point. The nominating of a Supreme Court Justice is one of the most critical roles of a President. There are too many questions hanging around this presidency to hand over this honor, which can impact the Court for decades, without more scrutiny. The identity of the nominee is entirely beside the point; the filibuster must be linked to the nominator himself. This President – whose very legitimacy is being called into question through his campaign’s potential involvement in Russian subterfuge of our election – should not be allowed to have a nominee confirmed through to the Court or even considered until all questions are resolved.

If the Trump Administration has nothing to hide, then the investigation may take some time, but should be fairly painless. Let’s test that hypothesis. Apply the pressure and use what leverage you have, Senators. Make a McConnell SCOTUS filibuster override synonymous with protecting Donald Trump from meaningful investigation, and we’ll see how that goes for the Republicans.


Senate Democrats: No SCOTUS Pick for a President Under Investigation | The Huffington Post


I can't argue with that ... ;)




You guys really need to give it up. There is no precedent for that, and there is always the presumption of innocence. Note how your media and liberal masters are playing up "illegitimate" this week?


espionage, btw is on governments, not private entities like the democrat party.
 
You guys really need to give it up. There is no precedent for that, and there is always the presumption of innocence. Note how your media and liberal masters are playing up "illegitimate" this week?


espionage, btw is on governments, not private entities like the democrat party.


Benghazi :mrgreen:
 
It's a fair sentiment, but I'm not sure it will get any better than Gorsuch during this plutocratic trainwreck of an administration.
 
Neil Gorsuch is the nominee of a President whose legitimacy is in question.


Originally published as “An Open Letter to Senate Democrats” on 02/26/17, now updated given FBI Director James Comey’s testimony on 03/20/17.


Dear Senate Democrats,

Millions of Americans already believe that the sitting President of the United States colluded with a foreign power to commit espionage, with a goal of producing damning information on his opponent that would sway the election in his favor.

Given this context, James Comey’s revelation on March 20th before the House Intelligence Committee was seismic: the FBI Director admitted that his agency is investigating ties between the sitting President’s campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The American people demand the following:

A formal, independent investigation into the Russian hacking of the election, including all of the former and ongoing personal, financial and political ties between Trump’s team and Russia.

The release of the ten most recent years of Donald Trump’s tax returns, so that the American people can know the extent to which the President and his family are beholden to foreign governments – especially Russia. Unearthing tax returns provides context for further investigation into whether and how the President is in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Millions believe, are equally appalled and deeply concerned that the President and his family are profiting off of the office and accepting gifts from foreign governments that may prompt decision-making that is not in the best interests of the American people.


These are completely legitimate demands that have the best interests of the American public at heart. We want neither a conspirator in the Oval Office, nor an avalanche of conspiracy theories that undermine trust in American democratic institutions. We need cold, hard facts and a fair, legal, non-partisan process for investigation.

Meanwhile, as you know, a Supreme Court seat sits vacant. Hearings are underway for the nominee of a potentially illegitimate President. To our demands above, we add the following:

Senate Democrats must filibuster the confirmation process for Judge Neil Gorsuch and explicitly connect that filibuster directly to our two demands above.


Basing a filibuster on retribution over Senate Republicans’ obstruction of Merrick Garland’s nomination or on Gorsuch’s conservative stances on key issues is moot at this point. The nominating of a Supreme Court Justice is one of the most critical roles of a President. There are too many questions hanging around this presidency to hand over this honor, which can impact the Court for decades, without more scrutiny. The identity of the nominee is entirely beside the point; the filibuster must be linked to the nominator himself. This President – whose very legitimacy is being called into question through his campaign’s potential involvement in Russian subterfuge of our election – should not be allowed to have a nominee confirmed through to the Court or even considered until all questions are resolved.

If the Trump Administration has nothing to hide, then the investigation may take some time, but should be fairly painless. Let’s test that hypothesis. Apply the pressure and use what leverage you have, Senators. Make a McConnell SCOTUS filibuster override synonymous with protecting Donald Trump from meaningful investigation, and we’ll see how that goes for the Republicans.


Senate Democrats: No SCOTUS Pick for a President Under Investigation | The Huffington Post


I can't argue with that ... ;)

:lol:
 
Neil Gorsuch is the nominee of a President whose legitimacy is in question.


Originally published as “An Open Letter to Senate Democrats” on 02/26/17, now updated given FBI Director James Comey’s testimony on 03/20/17.


Dear Senate Democrats,

Millions of Americans already believe that the sitting President of the United States colluded with a foreign power to commit espionage, with a goal of producing damning information on his opponent that would sway the election in his favor.

Given this context, James Comey’s revelation on March 20th before the House Intelligence Committee was seismic: the FBI Director admitted that his agency is investigating ties between the sitting President’s campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The American people demand the following:

A formal, independent investigation into the Russian hacking of the election, including all of the former and ongoing personal, financial and political ties between Trump’s team and Russia.

The release of the ten most recent years of Donald Trump’s tax returns, so that the American people can know the extent to which the President and his family are beholden to foreign governments – especially Russia. Unearthing tax returns provides context for further investigation into whether and how the President is in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Millions believe, are equally appalled and deeply concerned that the President and his family are profiting off of the office and accepting gifts from foreign governments that may prompt decision-making that is not in the best interests of the American people.


These are completely legitimate demands that have the best interests of the American public at heart. We want neither a conspirator in the Oval Office, nor an avalanche of conspiracy theories that undermine trust in American democratic institutions. We need cold, hard facts and a fair, legal, non-partisan process for investigation.

Meanwhile, as you know, a Supreme Court seat sits vacant. Hearings are underway for the nominee of a potentially illegitimate President. To our demands above, we add the following:

Senate Democrats must filibuster the confirmation process for Judge Neil Gorsuch and explicitly connect that filibuster directly to our two demands above.


Basing a filibuster on retribution over Senate Republicans’ obstruction of Merrick Garland’s nomination or on Gorsuch’s conservative stances on key issues is moot at this point. The nominating of a Supreme Court Justice is one of the most critical roles of a President. There are too many questions hanging around this presidency to hand over this honor, which can impact the Court for decades, without more scrutiny. The identity of the nominee is entirely beside the point; the filibuster must be linked to the nominator himself. This President – whose very legitimacy is being called into question through his campaign’s potential involvement in Russian subterfuge of our election – should not be allowed to have a nominee confirmed through to the Court or even considered until all questions are resolved.

If the Trump Administration has nothing to hide, then the investigation may take some time, but should be fairly painless. Let’s test that hypothesis. Apply the pressure and use what leverage you have, Senators. Make a McConnell SCOTUS filibuster override synonymous with protecting Donald Trump from meaningful investigation, and we’ll see how that goes for the Republicans.


Senate Democrats: No SCOTUS Pick for a President Under Investigation | The Huffington Post


I can't argue with that ... ;)

More sore loser psychobabble. Sorry Trump haters, you lost. Elections have consequences
 
Neil Gorsuch

in listening to this man today i am truly impressed in his knowledge and his stance on law, he WILL make a truly good addiction to the highest court
 
You guys really need to give it up. There is no precedent for that, and there is always the presumption of innocence. Note how your media and liberal masters are playing up "illegitimate" this week?
espionage, btw is on governments, not private entities like the democrat party.
More sore loser psychobabble. Sorry Trump haters, you lost. Elections have consequences

With just 3 years and 6 months until the next election, shouldn't we wait and let the American people's voice be heard? There's certainly precedent for permanently ****-blocking a supreme court nominee just because you don't want him on the bench. The GOP stole an legitimate nominee from the Dems, so it's time to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.
 
This thread reminds me of the argument I read that the next time the D's gain power of POTUS and both houses that they need to pack SCOTUS, go to 11 chairs. It is almost like they have given up trying to win the argument, that they are fine with relying on "Might makes Right".

The nation is watching.
 
With just 3 years and 6 months until the next election, shouldn't we wait and let the American people's voice be heard? There's certainly precedent for permanently ****-blocking a supreme court nominee just because you don't want him on the bench. The GOP stole an legitimate nominee from the Dems, so it's time to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.



Such hypocrisy... doesn't it bother you at all? Remember when you all were whining and calling republicans "party of no" and obstructionists? The seething hatred for those evil bastards you all had then.....


And now?
 
More sore loser psychobabble. Sorry Trump haters, you lost. Elections have consequences
Out of curiosity, did you feel the same way when the last elected President nominated someone for the Supreme Court? In other words, did you feel Garland should have gotten a hearing and a vote and that the Republicans were wrong to not respect the consequences of the 2012 Presidential election?
Such hypocrisy... doesn't it bother you at all? Remember when you all were whining and calling republicans "party of no" and obstructionists? The seething hatred for those evil bastards you all had then.....


And now?
I feel like you missed the sarcasm running rampant in his post...
 
With just 3 years and 6 months until the next election, shouldn't we wait and let the American people's voice be heard? There's certainly precedent for permanently ****-blocking a supreme court nominee just because you don't want him on the bench. The GOP stole an legitimate nominee from the Dems, so it's time to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

Elections have consequences and Biden and Schumer said any Bush pick in 1992 should be blocked

try again. If you want to see why Gorsuch should be confirmed-watch uber-douche bag and complete asshole Sheldon Whitehouse whine at the confirmation hearing.

it shows what happens when a guy who really earned his way into a top law school and made top grades, comes up against the spoiled son of elitists who got by on his family's connections and thinks he's brilliant because his father and grandfather were diplomats
 
Arguing that getting the nations work done is acting like a stooge for Trump is a message that brings me great joy.

The Republicans in Congress insisted we only need 8 Justices to do that work, though.

For the record, though, I am personally against obstruction if the only reason is "the other guy did it too."
 
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Out of curiosity, did you feel the same way when the last elected President nominated someone for the Supreme Court? In other words, did you feel Garland should have gotten a hearing and a vote and that the Republicans were wrong to not respect the consequences of the 2012 Presidential election?

I feel like you missed the sarcasm running rampant in his post...


I was on record and consistently said Garland should have had a hearing and should have been up for a vote.
 
Such hypocrisy... doesn't it bother you at all? Remember when you all were whining and calling republicans "party of no" and obstructionists? The seething hatred for those evil bastards you all had then.....

And now?

Sure, it bothers me that our politicians can't function because they're drowning in endless obstruction, but the Dems had every right to the nomination and the GOP flat out stole it. Suddenly you guys are all about cooperation and procedure? Such hypocrisy... doesn't it bother you at all?

Elections have consequences and Biden and Schumer said any Bush pick in 1992 should be blocked

try again. If you want to see why Gorsuch should be confirmed-watch uber-douche bag and complete asshole Sheldon Whitehouse whine at the confirmation hearing.

it shows what happens when a guy who really earned his way into a top law school and made top grades, comes up against the spoiled son of elitists who got by on his family's connections and thinks he's brilliant because his father and grandfather were diplomats

Except Biden and Schumer didn't block any of Bush's nominees. The Dems had every right to the nomination and the GOP stole it because they felt like it. I hope the Dems make it impossible to get their nominee through until a dem president in 2018 or later can fill the spot that was stolen.
 
I disagree with the premise of the OP and I am no fan of Trump's. He won the election because he won the EC, and therefore, for better or worse (mostly worse), he is the President. And as such he is entitled to put forth his nominee for the opening on SCOTUS. I think Gorsuch is a brilliant pick. I'm sure someone who isn't a moron, like Mike Pence, actually picked him.

I hope Gorsuch gets the confirmation, actually. I think he will make a great jurist on SCOTUS.
 
I was on record and consistently said Garland should have had a hearing and should have been up for a vote.
I just went back and searched and from the few posts I saw you make on it, you are being truthful and consistent in your beliefs, at least about a SC nominee getting a hearing. I genuinely appreciate that. Honesty and objectivity are a welcome sight sometimes on here.
 
With just 3 years and 6 months until the next election, shouldn't we wait and let the American people's voice be heard? There's certainly precedent for permanently ****-blocking a supreme court nominee just because you don't want him on the bench. The GOP stole an legitimate nominee from the Dems, so it's time to obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

You do realize you cannot ultimately prevent this appointment, right?

Stamp your feet and pout all you want libs. :shrug:
 
You do realize you cannot ultimately prevent this appointment, right?

Stamp your feet and pout all you want libs. :shrug:
Is this really how you want it though? Do you want the Republicans to force it through over any and all Democratic objections? Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate objections and petty, partisan objections and I'm not talking about petty, partisan objectives. But do you really want the Republicans to force through Gorsuch's nomination over any legitimate objections, keeping in mind 2010 and the Democratic party holding majorities in the House, Senate and White House wasn't really all that long ago?
 
Neil Gorsuch is the nominee of a President whose legitimacy is in question.


Originally published as “An Open Letter to Senate Democrats” on 02/26/17, now updated given FBI Director James Comey’s testimony on 03/20/17.


Dear Senate Democrats,

Millions of Americans already believe that the sitting President of the United States colluded with a foreign power to commit espionage, with a goal of producing damning information on his opponent that would sway the election in his favor.

Given this context, James Comey’s revelation on March 20th before the House Intelligence Committee was seismic: the FBI Director admitted that his agency is investigating ties between the sitting President’s campaign and Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The American people demand the following:

A formal, independent investigation into the Russian hacking of the election, including all of the former and ongoing personal, financial and political ties between Trump’s team and Russia.

The release of the ten most recent years of Donald Trump’s tax returns, so that the American people can know the extent to which the President and his family are beholden to foreign governments – especially Russia. Unearthing tax returns provides context for further investigation into whether and how the President is in violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Millions believe, are equally appalled and deeply concerned that the President and his family are profiting off of the office and accepting gifts from foreign governments that may prompt decision-making that is not in the best interests of the American people.


These are completely legitimate demands that have the best interests of the American public at heart. We want neither a conspirator in the Oval Office, nor an avalanche of conspiracy theories that undermine trust in American democratic institutions. We need cold, hard facts and a fair, legal, non-partisan process for investigation.

Meanwhile, as you know, a Supreme Court seat sits vacant. Hearings are underway for the nominee of a potentially illegitimate President. To our demands above, we add the following:

Senate Democrats must filibuster the confirmation process for Judge Neil Gorsuch and explicitly connect that filibuster directly to our two demands above.


Basing a filibuster on retribution over Senate Republicans’ obstruction of Merrick Garland’s nomination or on Gorsuch’s conservative stances on key issues is moot at this point. The nominating of a Supreme Court Justice is one of the most critical roles of a President. There are too many questions hanging around this presidency to hand over this honor, which can impact the Court for decades, without more scrutiny. The identity of the nominee is entirely beside the point; the filibuster must be linked to the nominator himself. This President – whose very legitimacy is being called into question through his campaign’s potential involvement in Russian subterfuge of our election – should not be allowed to have a nominee confirmed through to the Court or even considered until all questions are resolved.

If the Trump Administration has nothing to hide, then the investigation may take some time, but should be fairly painless. Let’s test that hypothesis. Apply the pressure and use what leverage you have, Senators. Make a McConnell SCOTUS filibuster override synonymous with protecting Donald Trump from meaningful investigation, and we’ll see how that goes for the Republicans.


Senate Democrats: No SCOTUS Pick for a President Under Investigation | The Huffington Post


I can't argue with that ... ;)

We eventually have to put someone on the court, are you going to block the nomination for 4 years? Besides, from what Gorsuch is saying (and I suppose it could be just words), he seems like a fine pick.
 
Sure, it bothers me that our politicians can't function because they're drowning in endless obstruction, but the Dems had every right to the nomination and the GOP flat out stole it. Suddenly you guys are all about cooperation and procedure? Such hypocrisy... doesn't it bother you at all?



Except Biden and Schumer didn't block any of Bush's nominees. The Dems had every right to the nomination and the GOP stole it because they felt like it. I hope the Dems make it impossible to get their nominee through until a dem president in 2018 or later can fill the spot that was stolen.

you're not being truthful-the MINORITY Democrats in the senate prevented votes on APPELLATE judges Keisler and Estrada
 
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