No more living in denial... Ron Paul the answer?

[sangha]

It's looney to want to not have Americans die for Japan? Man am I crazy.

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Not crazy, but not too bright if you think I'm not going to notice how you're changing your argument

We're not talking about what you want. We're talking about why the US has bases in Japan.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Not crazy, but not too bright if you think I'm not going to notice how you're changing your argument

We're not talking about what you want. We're talking about why the US has bases in Japan.

I know why we do, I just don't agree with them. That's my argument and its not changing.

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[sangha]

I know why we do, I just don't agree with them. That's my argument and its not changing.

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SO then why did you bring up the whole "I don't want americans dying for Japan" nonsense?

They're not there to protect Japan; They are there to protect the interests of the US

 

[ARealConservative]

Thinking people understand that there's strength in numbers. The more allies we have in the region, the less likely that nations hostile to us will act on those hostile feeling

Israel is vastly outnumbered in the region by the actual oil producers Einstein. what else you got?

 

[sangha]

Israel is vastly outnumbered in the region by the actual oil producers Einstein. what else you got?

So what?

They have the strongest military in the region. This may surprise you and other Paulite wackadoos, but wars are decided with elections

 

[ARealConservative]

So what?

They have the strongest military in the region. This may surprise you and other Paulite wackadoos, but wars are decided with elections

so what?

First you claim our need for oil makes this a strategic interest. When I point out they don't have the oil,

you say numbers matter. When I point out their numbers are dwarfed by those in the region (the oil producers remember)

you now say military might is the reason.

hard to argue that one. we send the message that a powerful military will improve a nations relations with us.

not the smartest of ways of deciding things, kind of cowardly really, not to mention being counter productive in the long term.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

SO then why did you bring up the whole "I don't want americans dying for Japan" nonsense?

They're not there to protect Japan; They are there to protect the interests of the US

Sure, call it dying for American interest. And why do we have an interest in Japan?

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[sangha]

so what?

First you claim our need for oil makes this a strategic interest. When I point out they don't have the oil,

you say numbers matter. When I point out their numbers are dwarfed by those in the region (the oil producers remember)

you now say military might is the reason.

hard to argue that one. we send the message that a powerful military will improve a nations relations with us.

not the smartest of ways of deciding things, kind of cowardly really, not to mention being counter productive in the long term.

Your argument is still dishonest

I didn't speak about the population #'s and it's dishonest of you to suggest I did. I spoke about their being strength in numbers, so obviously (to anyone familiar with the english language) I was talking about strength. The fact is, Israel has the strongest military in the region. Only the hopelessly deluded are unable to see the benefit of being allied with the strongest military in the region.

It is also dishonest of you to claim that I said "a powerful military will improve a nations relations with us". The only cowardly arguments being made are by the wackadoo libertarians who have to make up stuff in order to make an argument. But then again, libertarianism requires a belief in fantasy, so there's no surprises there

 

[sangha]

Sure, call it dying for American interest. And why do we have an interest in Japan?

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If you don't understand the basics of foriegn policy, and the reasons for our most important alliances, then I'm not surprised that you support the FAIL that is Ron Paul

 

[ARealConservative]

Your argument is still dishonest

you are confused, I just summarized your numerous attempts at an argument

I didn't speak about the population #'s

Israel is outnumbered both in population, and in nations in the region. so your argument is nonsensical. It's like you are throwing as much stuff at the wall as possible hoping desperately for something to stick, but nothing has.

 

[sangha]

you are confused, I just summarized your numerous attempts at an argument



Israel is outnumbered both in population, and in nations in the region. so your argument is nonsensical. It's like you are throwing as much stuff at the wall as possible hoping desperately for something to stick, but nothing has.

You're still grasping

Let me know when you've learned the basics, which probably means never

 

[ARealConservative]

You're still grasping

Let me know when you've learned the basics, which probably means never

I have yet to get one legitimate reason from you on why defense of Isreal is in our national interests and not humanitarian

Every reason cited so far has been ridiculous in it’s idiocy. For the oil. Bwaahaaa. You really have no clue.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

If you don't understand the basics of foriegn policy, and the reasons for our most important alliances, then I'm not surprised that you support the FAIL that is Ron Paul

I was asking why you believe Japan is such an important ally. Simple question.

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[ARealConservative]

I was asking why you believe Japan is such an important ally. Simple question.

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having one of the largest global economies is a great reason to be friendly with a nation.

 

[sangha]

having one of the largest global economies is a great reason to be friendly with a nation.

So is having military bases close to North Korea and China, not to mention in a region of critical importance to our economy

Next lesson for Chaddelamancha - Why water is wet

 

[ARealConservative]

So is having military bases close to North Korea and China, not to mention in a region of critical importance to our economy

Next lesson for Chaddelamancha - Why water is wet

being friendly <> occupation and policing

 

[Objective Voice]

I think that's probably true, although we did a pretty good job dismantling Saddam's WMD program ... without having to invade the country.

And yet we did it anyway...

 

[Chaddelamancha]

So is having military bases close to North Korea and China, not to mention in a region of critical importance to our economy

Next lesson for Chaddelamancha - Why water is wet

Don't be an ass. Asking a person their stance on a issue makes it easier to debate them. Belittling a person just makes you look bad.

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[joko104]

Romney is too old and I think even he knows it. If he were 20 years younger he'd have a shot at it as Romney and Gingrich increasingly deconstruct.

 

[sangha]

Don't be an ass. Asking a person their stance on a issue makes it easier to debate them. Belittling a person just makes you look bad.

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Your not knowing the most basics facts about our relationships with foreign nations makes it impossible to discuss anything with you

And for the record, you did more than simply ask a question about my stance. You made ridiculous claims about how we're occupying Japan

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Your not knowing the most basics facts about our relationships with foreign nations makes it impossible to discuss anything with you

And for the record, you did more than simply ask a question about my stance. You made ridiculous claims about how we're occupying Japan

How does inquiring about your stance on Japan imply that I don't know the basic facts? That is an assumption that you are making, which is what I was trying to avoid by asking you your's. Reminds me of a little expression people use about those who assume....hmmm.

As for the occupying, you are right, that is probably too forceful of a word to be using. However, my point is valid. Having been stationed on Misawa Air Base, I know exactly how the locals feel and they aren't overjoyed at our presence there. And I don't consider an American defending Japan from an attack, dieing for American. Sure, American Interest, as you put it. But not America. I understand the whole purpose behind forward deployed troops, I just don't like it.

 

[sangha]

How does inquiring about your stance on Japan imply that I don't know the basic facts? That is an assumption that you are making, which is what I was trying to avoid by asking you your's. Reminds me of a little expression people use about those who assume....hmmm.

Dishonest. Again, you did more than ask about my stance on Japan. You compared our military presence there to an "occupation". If you can't be honest about what you said, there's no hope of having a reasonable discussion with you

As for the occupying, you are right, that is probably too forceful of a word to be using. However, my point is valid. Having been stationed on Misawa Air Base, I know exactly how the locals feel and they aren't overjoyed at our presence there. And I don't consider an American defending Japan from an attack, dieing for American. Sure, American Interest, as you put it. But not America. I understand the whole purpose behind forward deployed troops, I just don't like it.

Again, dishonest. The japanese people do support our military presence. Your anecdotes prove nothing.

And you're playing word games when you claim "american interests" are not "america". When soldiers fight or die to protect american interests, they are fighting FOR AMERICA.

And your not supposed to like it. No one likes war, or the possibility of war. However, doing what we need to in order to prevent war is necessary to protect american interests and to protect America.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Dishonest. Again, you did more than ask about my stance on Japan. You compared our military presence there to an "occupation". If you can't be honest about what you said, there's no hope of having a reasonable discussion with you




Again, dishonest. The japanese people do support our military presence. Your anecdotes prove nothing.

And you're playing word games when you claim "american interests" are not "america". When soldiers fight or die to protect american interests, they are fighting FOR AMERICA.

And your not supposed to like it. No one likes war, or the possibility of war. However, doing what we need to in order to prevent war is necessary to protect american interests and to protect America.

How about proof they support American troops over there?

There is a difference between America and American interest. Our country will still survive if China or whomever took over Japan. There would still be an America. Your last sentence even acknowledges that they are different.

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[sangha]

How about proof they support American troops over there?

Their democratically elected govt continues to support our presence.

Now how about you post some proof that they don't support our military presence?

There is a difference between America and American interest. Our country will still survive if China or whomever took over Japan. There would still be an America. Your last sentence even acknowledges that they are different.

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Nonsense. Our country will suffer if Japan was taken over. Only in the topsy turvy world of Paulism is "sitting by and watch america suffer" a "Good Thing"

 

[Matt Foley]

So is having military bases close to North Korea and China, not to mention in a region of critical importance to our economy

Yes. If Japan, China, or South Korea were economically destroyed in a war, like in WW2, the manufacturing jobs they stole through free trade will come back to the US, that's why I am for pulling troops out of Japan. And we can't afford it anymore, we can only afford a pre WW1 army with this deficit.

That's a different story you will hear from a Paulbot, because Paulbots are delusional.