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No Matter Who Wins The Electoral College Must Go Bye Bye

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Opinion by
Katrina vanden Heuvel
Columnist
November 3, 2020 at 7:00 a.m. CST

Something’s happening in Texas. Before today’s election, 9.7 million Texans had already voted — 108 percent of total ballots cast there in the last presidential election. In just four years, Texas has catapulted from second-to-last in voter turnout to a national leader in early voting. This is no coincidence. Now that this once-red state is emerging as a toss-up, residents are turning out in record numbers, believing that their votes will finally have a meaningful effect on the presidential election. Though this is a tremendous success story, it also underlines one of our Constitution’s greatest failures: Under the electoral college, some votes matter far more than others.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) may have said it best: “Call me old-fashioned, but I think the person who gets the most votes should win.” The electoral college is indeed an undemocratic travesty, and no matter who wins this election, it’s time for us to move toward a national popular vote.

Many electoral college advocates cite its anti-democratic nature as a benefit, explaining that the institution serves as a bulwark against the so-called “tyranny of the majority.” In reality, however, the institution enables a tyranny of the minority, allowing political factions to entrench their rule by appealing to a small group of voters. It’s mathematically possible to win the electoral college with less than 22 percent of the popular vote. That’s an extreme case, but the fact remains that, under the electoral college, a voter in Wyoming has nearly four times the power of a voter in California.

By creating artificially narrow results, the electoral college makes it 40 times more likely that the results are close enough that the outcome could be swung by unelected judges. No wonder 61 percent of Americans support the electoral college’s abolition, according to a recent Gallup poll.

Likewise, consider the not-so-far-fetched scenario in which today’s election ends in a 269-269 draw. The decision then goes to the House of Representatives, where each state delegation casts one vote. In this situation, the state of North Dakota (population: 762,000) has the same influence as Texas (population: 29 million). In theory, delegations representing just 16 percent of the total U.S. population could pick the next president.

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I support the Electoral College as a means to somewhat guarantee
a breadth of support.


Inequity. Consider:

California's Winner-Take-All disenfranchises more voters than the total votes cast
in many States. I favor who won a Congressional District appointed electors and
the 2 for the Senators remain winner-take-all.
But, that is just California for being so weighty.




Moi
 


I support the Electoral College as a means to somewhat guarantee
a breadth of support.


Inequity. Consider:

California's Winner-Take-All disenfranchises more voters than the total votes cast
in many States. I favor who won a Congressional District appointed electors and
the 2 for the Senators remain winner-take-all.
But, that is just California for being so weighty.




Moi
what you pointed out is vast amounts of empty land with very little population....empty land should not have a vote.
 
what you pointed out is vast amounts of empty land with very little population....empty land should not have a vote.

Disagree.
I know there are people in Humboldt Count
second one down from the Oregon border by the ocean.
Eureka even has a Costco. Next door Arcata a State University.
Just no metropolitan areas with high rise structures.
Certainly less population but not "very little". As if just empty wastelands.
 
I know what the figures are. Orange County alone has a higher population than 21 States.
Why are you so prejudiced about free Americans living where they want to live?
 
People do vote. 50 separate elections.
You forgot the part where some people have three to four times the power behind their vote than other people do.
 
If a Conservative wins the popular vote, they deserve to be president. The will of the people is in the popular vote. I am in the middle in that I think we should be dividing up the electoral college to where it isn't an all or nothing thing...in other words if a candidate wins 60% they get 60% of the electoral votes for that state.
Simple solution - encourage states to eliminate the popular vote for determining electors. Then the EC vote would truly represent the will of the state, which is really what it’s supposed to do.
 
The EC allows an election minority to govern. I don't know of another country in the world that uses this archaic system rooted in slavery.

It needs to go.


No, "Real slavery " would be states like Calif, NY, FL and Penn controlling the election
 
Disagree.
I know there are people in Humboldt Count
second one down from the Oregon border by the ocean.
Eureka even has a Costco. Next door Arcata a State University.
Just no metropolitan areas with high rise structures.
Certainly less population but not "very little". As if just empty wastelands.
Why should Ismay, Montana (pop 25) have equal footing with Houston, Texas?
 
Why should Ismay, Montana (pop 25) have equal footing with Houston, Texas?
The people in Ismay, MT aren't equal to the people in Houston?
 
what you pointed out is vast amounts of empty land with very little population....empty land should not have a vote.
Empty land :rolleyes:

People live in that "empty land". Some of those people grow the food and take care of the animals that appear on your dinner table every ****ing night!
 
Empty land :rolleyes:

People live in that "empty land". Some of those people grow the food and take care of the animals that appear on your dinner table every ****ing night!
yes, much of it is empty land....people vote, not land and it is people that should have a voice, not land.
 
No one said they aren't equal, 25 people should not have the right to decide over 10 million.

So, now you're saying they shouldn't have any say at all?...lol
 
Where did I say that? Stop adding to what I said.

You said, "25 people should not have the right to decide over 10 million."

If I misunderstood your meaning, please clarify.
 
No one said they aren't equal, 25 people should not have the right to decide over 10 million.

Reference Please.
25 people compared to 10 million.


Speaking of inequity I did the math
More people voted Romney in California than
the total votes in many States.
Those Romney voters didn't receive one elector!


Moi
 
You forgot the part where some people have three to four times the power behind their vote than other people do.

That's ok. This recent election shows again the strength of the EC.
 
Follow the latest on Election 2020

Opinion by
Katrina vanden Heuvel
Columnist
November 3, 2020 at 7:00 a.m. CST

Something’s happening in Texas. Before today’s election, 9.7 million Texans had already voted — 108 percent of total ballots cast there in the last presidential election. In just four years, Texas has catapulted from second-to-last in voter turnout to a national leader in early voting. This is no coincidence. Now that this once-red state is emerging as a toss-up, residents are turning out in record numbers, believing that their votes will finally have a meaningful effect on the presidential election. Though this is a tremendous success story, it also underlines one of our Constitution’s greatest failures: Under the electoral college, some votes matter far more than others.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) may have said it best: “Call me old-fashioned, but I think the person who gets the most votes should win.” The electoral college is indeed an undemocratic travesty, and no matter who wins this election, it’s time for us to move toward a national popular vote.

Many electoral college advocates cite its anti-democratic nature as a benefit, explaining that the institution serves as a bulwark against the so-called “tyranny of the majority.” In reality, however, the institution enables a tyranny of the minority, allowing political factions to entrench their rule by appealing to a small group of voters. It’s mathematically possible to win the electoral college with less than 22 percent of the popular vote. That’s an extreme case, but the fact remains that, under the electoral college, a voter in Wyoming has nearly four times the power of a voter in California.

By creating artificially narrow results, the electoral college makes it 40 times more likely that the results are close enough that the outcome could be swung by unelected judges. No wonder 61 percent of Americans support the electoral college’s abolition, according to a recent Gallup poll.

Likewise, consider the not-so-far-fetched scenario in which today’s election ends in a 269-269 draw. The decision then goes to the House of Representatives, where each state delegation casts one vote. In this situation, the state of North Dakota (population: 762,000) has the same influence as Texas (population: 29 million). In theory, delegations representing just 16 percent of the total U.S. population could pick the next president.

Yes this is the answer = make every vote count !!!!!! The EC was produced 300 years ago ..... time to MOVE ON!
 
what you pointed out is vast amounts of empty land with very little population....empty land should not have a vote.

It doesn't. EC recognizes that the USA is a federal republic and that the two national officeholders should have a broad swath of support across the country.
 
Every legal vote.

If one is not registered one cannot vote =

Doing away with the EC is the answer = make every vote count !!!!!! The EC was produced 300 years ago ..... time to MOVE ON!
 
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