No Labels, Republican front group

[Michael Cole]

That's not what any of this is about. This is about Republicans trying to run a fake Democrat in order to leech votes from Biden.

I wouldn't say Republicans. Those critters are making fools of themselves pretending to challenge Trump. This appears to be monied interests looking after themselves. I'm not sure what the strategy is, but I don't think they want to see Trump as POTUS.

It's a moronic strategy though seeing as RFK is far more appealing to fringe right wing conspiracy theorists than Democrats. If I had been in charge of this strategy I would have used someone the left would find appealing.

Reich wasn't specific in the email. I have no clue what the strategy is. He's claiming Biden voters are being targeted but doesn't support it. Statistics on registration don't indicate intent. They could, but I need more than "No Labels has signed up 40% more Democrats than Republicans in the state." Since both parties have signed up, both are being targeted. That one party signed up more than the other could mean anything. All it proves is that Democrats have been more receptive.

And Arizona isn't the US. In my limited experience with the state, it's much like Nevada. Very independent, libertarian and moderate. Independents in this state who are fed up with the two-party system have NOTA on the ballot. I've used it many times. No Labels could probably do well here.

Independents are ripe for a third party, and though big money is behind this, if the Democrats want their votes, they're going to have to earn them. Robert Reich sending an email isn't gonna do it.

 

[Tangmo]

^ how awful..lol..
Biden has RFK as a 3rd party and Cornell west as a Green Party Im not sure what states they have actual ballot access in however

In 2016 the Green Party candidate for Potus was Jill Stein who dined with Putin in the Kremlin.

Stein sat at the same table as Putin -- and Michael Flynn. In the Kremlin. Stein then ran as the Green Party for Potus. Now there's Cornell West, whatever he's up to, this time.

The stark point to me is never trust the Green Party in any election of a president. That's never as in never.

 

[Tangmo]

Independents in this state who are fed up with the two-party system have NOTA on the ballot. I've used it many times. No Labels could probably do well here.

Independents are ripe for a third party, and though big money is behind this, if the Democrats want their votes, they're going to have to earn them.

This election cycle is about Liberal Democracy vs Fascist Dictatorship.

That is, the old party politics is done and gone.

If Trump is elected again it will be because Independents did it.

Indeed, Independents change nothing about the two party system and are always focused against the Democrats anyway. Independents only change the direction of the country, as occurred in the 2000 voting that gave us Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al.

In 2016 Independents gave us Trump. Nothing excuses or forgives this. And now again, Independents are at their old self righteous tricks. Always against the Democrats.

 

[Michael Cole]

This election cycle is about Liberal Democracy vs Fascist Dictatorship.

It is.

That is, the old party politics is done and gone.

If Trump is elected again it will be because Independents did it.

Indeed, Independents change nothing about the two party system and are always focused against the Democrats anyway. Independents only change the direction of the country, as occurred in the 2000 voting that gave us Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al.

In 2016 Independents gave us Trump. Nothing excuses or forgives this. And now again, Independents are at their old self righteous tricks. Always against the Democrats.

Lol. You can blame anyone you want. Doesn't change the reality on the ground. I voted for Biden. I will again be voting for Biden. Everybody isn't like me. Those are the people the Democrats need to work on.

 

[Tangmo]

It is.


Lol. You can blame anyone you want. Doesn't change the reality on the ground. I voted for Biden. I will again be voting for Biden. Everybody isn't like me. Those are the people the Democrats need to work on.

Yes and I reiterate too many Independents focus a great wrath against Democrats and the Democratic Party.

And yes there is a difference between Independents who bitch and stomp against the Democratic Party then vote for Biden, and the Independents who spew against the Democratic Party then vote fiercely for a third party. As we've seen over decades, the latter Independents never change the two party system, they only change the country and for the worse each time, every time. This time it's to change the country for the worst.

Yes, this time is deadly serious domestically. So woe be us that the Independents who vengefully vote third party don't change because they can't be changed. Hellbent loners politically is what they are. Wild radicals politically who never go away.

 

[OrphanSlug]

"Doing well" can mean a myriad of things. Delivering on policy that a majority of Americans approve of (with the one policy exception garnering only 48%, which I've already admitted) is one. The economy doing well is another (wage growth is outstripping inflation, and unemployment is at an all time low). And the fact that he's not the worst human being in America should be another, though it's probably fairer to expect this to take shape during the election next year rather than now. Finally, none of the accusations thrown at him by Republicans have been supported with any evidence.

So given all these things, it's reasonable to expect his approval to be higher. But it's not. Why?

You tell us, and be prepared to back up a conspiracy theory that it is entirely because of right wing money.

What I've said is that the policies he supports and delivers on are approved by a majority of the public. Is that what you want me to demonstrate? Because I have no problems doing that if that's what you're asking for. I'm already aware that these policies aren't translating into support for Biden is in spite of him delivering them.

And I'm not being rude to you.

Rude or not, this is your MO. Everyone else has to explain prove, you do not.

 

[jnug]

Lets assume for a moment that you are right, I am not convinced but that is another matter, and all his policies and work with Congress (when it worked) resulted in something the majority of the public wanted. You trying to tell me that Biden's aggregate approval rating of 41% and disapproval rating of almost 58% (538 as source) is entirely because of Republican / right wing media shenanigans?

I'm not....in part there are a result of the country's citizenry turning into a bunch of whiny cry babies that are only interested in whether their own personal diapers are being properly attended to. Since it is far easier to build negative numbers given that dynamic, I am not sure a sitting President will ever again produce positive numbers throughout his term and may never again produce them even for half his term, unless the citizenry again balances urgencies between societal incentives and personal incentives.

BTW, from CNN's recent poll the split is 38% to 58% majority disapproving of him. Then you have ABC/Washington Post turning around with a recent poll suggesting head-to-head it is Trump +9. Both recent polls showing the public gives Biden all of 30% approval on the economy, 23% on immigration, with overall views no where near just 50% let alone strong majority. No where near. Even within those who claim to lean Democrat, 33% are for Biden with 62% wanting someone else.

Who cares....another meaningless approval/disapproval national poll. You want to fall victim to the News Channel's knee jerk breathless National Polls taken every 5 nanoseconds, be my guest.

I can flip this very easily on you, using polling results you know to be out there from these sources, and ask do you think Democrats would be issuing memos and warnings about "No Labels" or RFK Jr or Republican shenanigans or anyone else if Biden commanded an above water approval rating on *any metric* at all? Especially by arguably center to left leaning media outlets doing polling?

Issuing memo's....you mean PR memos......talking point memos?

Looks like you, and the OP, need to dig a little deeper telling the majority, who do not approve of Biden, and who modern liberals genuinely do not like anyway, to feel differently. Because deep down you know you need them, and you guys better get back to the message of what Trump could do with another term instead of trying to pimp Biden results that the majority *does not* buy into.

See above

Prove me otherwise, go find the poll from someone reasonable or go find the sentiment from a reasonable assortment of voters that translates to all these polls being flat out wrong for another reason than you just claiming so.

No interest in the meaningless useless National Polls. So don't hold your breath on my account. Now I might be interested in the polls that the campaigns buy. Those would be intesting to look at. The polls we see in the media.....pure garbage intended to stir you up. Seems to have worked.

I'll wait.

 

[Michael Cole]

Yes and I reiterate too many Independents focus a great wrath against Democrats and the Democratic Party.

And yes there is a difference between Independents who bitch and stomp against the Democratic Party then vote for Biden, and the Independents who spew against the Democratic Party then vote fiercely for a third party. As we've seen over decades, the latter Independents never change the two party system, they only change the country and for the worse each time, every time. This time it's to change the country for the worst.

Yes, this time is deadly serious domestically. So woe be us that the Independents who vengefully vote third party don't change because they can't be changed. Hellbent loners politically is what they are. Wild radicals politically who never go away.

Tee-hee?

Address the border. That might help. Don't know what to tell you.

 

[Cardinal]

You tell us, and be prepared to back up a conspiracy theory that it is entirely because of right wing money.

That wasn't my claim. Although now that you mention it, at least one Trump back and donor Timothy Mellon. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-republican-donor-super-pac

My position is that both-sidsing in the media regularly creates an impression that both candidates are equal -- that Biden's age, for example, is as worthy of criticism and concern as Trump's failings, which are legion.

The reason I've been directing the question towards you is because this kind of both-sidsing is a regular idea from you, and I want to know why you believe what you believe. It's strange to me that you took something like No Labels and made it the fault of "modern liberalism." It's an idea that on its face doesn't make sense, and it begs the question of where such an idea even comes from in the first place.

Rude or not, this is your MO. Everyone else has to explain prove, you do not.

I offered to back up my claims that the policies Biden supports and delivers on are supported by a majority of Americans. But frankly, that would take work and a lot of googling to show you that what I'm saying is in fact true. And I'm not going to do all that work if you simply don't want to see it.

But if you do, Orphan, I will do that work.

 

[Michael Cole]

I'm not....in part there are a result of the country's citizenry turning into a bunch of whiny cry babies that are only interested in whether their own personal diapers are being properly attended to. Since it is far easier to build negative numbers given that dynamic, I am not sure a sitting President will ever again produce positive numbers throughout his term and may never again produce them even for half his term, unless the citizenry again balances urgencies between societal incentives and personal incentives.

Who cares....another meaningless approval/disapproval national poll. You want to fall victim to the News Channel's knee jerk breathless National Polls taken every 5 nanoseconds, be my guest.

Issuing memo's....you mean PR memos......talking point memos?

See above

No interest in the meaningless useless National Polls. So don't hold your breath on my account. Now I might be interested in the polls that the campaigns buy. Those would be intesting to look at. The polls we see in the media.....pure garbage intended to stir you up. Seems to have worked.

Agree on the polls. They're pretty much worthless anymore. One can find a poll to say anything they want. One poll says Trump beats Biden by 9 points; this one says Trump should be ineligible to even run:

Poll: Majority of voters would support disqualifying Trump under 14th Amendment

Fifty-one percent say Trump engaged in insurrection and can be barred from running again, according to a new POLITICO | Morning Consult poll.

www.politico.com

A majority of voters are willing to support an effort to disqualify former President Donald Trump from the 2024 ballot, according to a new POLITICO | Morning Consult poll.

After a series of questions about the Constitution and Trump’s conduct after the 2020 presidential election, 51 percent said the 14th Amendment prohibits Trump from running again because he engaged in insurrection, compared with 34 percent who said the opposite.

 

[dairyair]

No Labels is an American political organization whose stated mission is to support centrism and bipartisanship.[1] In 2010, No Labels was founded as a 501(c)(4) with Nancy Jacobson as its board president, and as of 2022, CEO.[2][3]

...

Pushback​

The effort has been criticized by Democrats, centrists and Republicans who fear it could give former president Donald Trump a second term.[20][21][22][23][24][25] Center-left members of No Labels' Problem Solvers Caucus are reportedly "in open revolt"[26][27] while co-founder William Galston resigned in protest.[28][29] A bi-partisan group of former lawmakers, citing the threat to democracy they see from Trump, launched a Super PAC called Citizens to Save Our Republic to focus on stopping No Labels' presidential ticket.[30][31] Nonprofits Third Way and MoveOn have also begun organizing a campaign to get Democrats to disavow No Labels.[32] FiveThirtyEight's review of polling on July 13, 2023, predicted that a bi-partisan ticket would likely benefit Trump.[33]

No Labels - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[OrphanSlug]

That wasn't my claim. Although now that you mention it, at least one Trump back and donor Timothy Mellon. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-republican-donor-super-pac

My position is that both-sidsing in the media regularly creates an impression that both candidates are equal -- that Biden's age, for example, is as worthy of criticism and concern as Trump's failings, which are legion.

The reason I've been directing the question towards you is because this kind of both-sidsing is a regular idea from you, and I want to know why you believe what you believe. It's strange to me that you took something like No Labels and made it the fault of "modern liberalism." It's an idea that on its face doesn't make sense, and it begs the question of where such an idea even comes from in the first place.

I do not mind not being a robot for Democrats or Republicans, it is called being an Independent. I look at the issue or claim and make my own decisions on this, despite your assertion that is a negative.

Moreover I do not support the idea that the media created, entirely on their own, that Trump and Biden are equals. What you consistently fail to acknowledge is division oriented politics with an extreme right on one side behind Trump and modern liberalism behind Biden suggests a larger gap in the middle. This notion has been backed up for years with polling, in and out of an election season, suggesting the biggest voting block is neither Republican or Democrat.

So when you say how can I have such an idea that modern liberalism and MAGA Republicanism pushes more to the center, with polling going back decades to back it up, then you claim that "does not make sense" then I have no idea what in the hell you are going on about.

The fact remains if Biden was popular and had widespread support and approval, it would not matter what any 3rd party or challenge to Democrats in any regard came up with.

But just like Perot in 92 handing the Presidency to Clinton over Bush, this time "No Labels" or RFK Jr. or any other Independent will hand the Presidency to Trump over Biden. Which is why Biden and Democrats are upset over the idea of this happening, they even acknowledge despite your assertions, that he is unpopular.

Blame the "both-siding" media, or No Labels, or Republican shenanigans all you want... if Biden was popular it would not matter. But now it does.

I offered to back up my claims that the policies Biden supports and delivers on are supported by a majority of Americans. But frankly, that would take work and a lot of googling to show you that what I'm saying is in fact true. And I'm not going to do all that work if you simply don't want to see it.

But if you do, Orphan, I will do that work.

My point is the same, if the delivery is popular but the President is not you guys have some soul searching to do that excludes both conspiracy theory and "both-siding" media.

 

[Cardinal]

I do not mind not being a robot for Democrats or Republicans, it is called being an Independent. I look at the issue or claim and make my own decisions on this, despite your assertion that is a negative.

Moreover I do not support the idea that the media created, entirely on their own, that Trump and Biden are equals. What you consistently fail to acknowledge is division oriented politics with an extreme right on one side behind Trump and modern liberalism behind Biden suggests a larger gap in the middle. This notion has been backed up for years with polling, in and out of an election season, suggesting the biggest voting block is neither Republican or Democrat.

So when you say how can I have such an idea that modern liberalism and MAGA Republicanism pushes more to the center, with polling going back decades to back it up, then you claim that "does not make sense" then I have no idea what in the hell you are going on about.

The fact remains if Biden was popular and had widespread support and approval, it would not matter what any 3rd party or challenge to Democrats in any regard came up with.

But just like Perot in 92 handing the Presidency to Clinton over Bush, this time "No Labels" or RFK Jr. or any other Independent will hand the Presidency to Trump over Biden. Which is why Biden and Democrats are upset over the idea of this happening, they even acknowledge despite your assertions, that he is unpopular.

Blame the "both-siding" media, or No Labels, or Republican shenanigans all you want... if Biden was popular it would not matter. But now it does.



My point is the same, if the delivery is popular but the President is not you guys have some soul searching to do that excludes both conspiracy theory and "both-siding" media.

First things first, do you accept the premise that Biden's policy positions are shared by a majority of Americans? This is something that I really haven't been able to pin down with you -- whether or not you actually agree with that claim or if you're disputing it.

 

[OrphanSlug]

First things first, do you accept the premise that Biden's policy positions are shared by a majority of Americans? This is something that I really haven't been able to pin down with you -- whether or not you actually agree with that claim or if you're disputing it.

Why do you need to pin that, some moral victory or some entrapping conversation *that means nothing* to where Biden actually is? Just because his positions are shared by the majority of Americans, that does not mean that statement all of a sudden validates "both-siding" media. That is what I am disputing.

 

[Peacenik]

Robert Reich sent this e-mail.

I think it rightly describes what the 'wolf in sheep's cloithing' pro-wealth group "No Labels" is doing to try to fool people, especially independents, into helping Republicans.

"No Labels, the dark-money group that’s spending tens of millions to run a third-party candidate against Joe Biden in 2024, just announced that they’ve already registered 15,000 voters in the critical battleground state of Arizona.

That’s more than enough to tip this key battleground state to Donald Trump.

Joe Biden won Arizona in 2020 by fewer than 11,000 votes, and the key voting blocs that put him over the top are exactly the people that No Labels is targeting now: centrist Democrats, moderate Republicans, and independents who voted for Biden in 2020 out of disgust for Trump.

Let’s not mince words. No Labels is little more than a Republican front group trying to help Trump win. We can’t let them get away with it.

We’re launching a major campaign across social media to warn voters that No Labels is a scam to help Trump — before No Labels has a chance to spend millions on ads pitching themselves to potential Biden voters.

The Republican Party has its fingerprints all over No Labels.

One of their big funders is none other than Harlan Crow, the right-wing billionaire who has spent millions on luxury travel and gifts for Clarence Thomas. They’ve even brought on a Trump megadonor as a senior adviser in Florida.

Polling, focus groups, and common sense all tell us that voters who are interested in an allegedly “centrist” political party would overwhelmingly vote for Joe Biden in a head-to-head matchup with Trump.

And that's exactly who's registering with the No Labels party in Arizona.

No Labels has signed up 40% more Democrats than Republicans in the state, and the biggest share of their support comes from independents, who swung decisively against Trump in 2020 and allowed Joe Biden to turn Arizona blue for only the second time in the previous 70 years.

To stop No Labels, we need to make sure that voters know the truth, that this is a Republican-funded effort to throw the election to Trump. We also need to make sure that voters know about President Biden’s successes on the economy. But we must act now, while most Americans still haven’t heard about No Labels."

Big money wins again?

No problem.

All that is required is to get people who don't give a shit to give a shit.

Piece of cake, right?

Hey, while at it, establish whirled peas.

 

[Cardinal]

Why do you need to pin that, some moral victory or some entrapping conversation *that means nothing* to where Biden actually is? Just because his positions are shared by the majority of Americans, that does not mean that statement all of a sudden validates "both-siding" media. That is what I am disputing.

Policies mean a lot to me. What I'm trying to figure out is what they mean to you. Do you believe that Democrats and Republicans should try to understand Independents better? Well that's what I've been trying to do for the last two pages.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Policies mean a lot to me. What I'm trying to figure out is what they mean to you. Do you believe that Democrats and Republicans should try to understand Independents better? Well that's what I've been trying to do for the last two pages.

That is not accurate at all, what you have done is ask me to defend why Biden's actual polling numbers or sentiment does not match what you think they should be because of his policy stances. If you were at all right, his numbers would be different *and* you could prove it is because of some "both-siding" media, No Labels, or whoever else.

But you cannot do that, so now it is about my position on Biden's issues as a sidestep away from an argument you have already lost.

I've admitted I understand the stakes and odds are will hold my nose... again... and vote for the babbling gaffe prone buffoon over fascist wannabe dictator Lord Cheeto. Not good enough for you.

And here we are with an asinine question on Democrats and Republicans looking to where Independents are, as if either will bother themselves with the effort (you seemingly approving claiming Biden already did) then asking everyone else to prove his numbers should be different.

Well, they are not. Reality does not agree with you.

 

[Cardinal]

That is not accurate at all, what you have done is ask me to defend why Biden's actual polling numbers or sentiment does not match what you think they should be because of his policy stances. If you were at all right, his numbers would be different *and* you could prove it is because of some "both-siding" media, No Labels, or whoever else.

But you cannot do that, so now it is about my position on Biden's issues as a sidestep away from an argument you have already lost.

I've admitted I understand the stakes and odds are will hold my nose... again... and vote for the babbling gaffe prone buffoon over fascist wannabe dictator Lord Cheeto. Not good enough for you.

And here we are with an asinine question on Democrats and Republicans looking to where Independents are, as if either will bother themselves with the effort (you seemingly approving claiming Biden already did) then asking everyone else to prove his numbers should be different.

Well, they are not. Reality does not agree with you.

Understanding where you're coming from has been my goal from the start. I've offered to demonstrate to you for a multitude of posts now evidence that the policies Biden supports are the policies that a majority of Americans support, but I'm not going to go to that effort unless I first know that this is information you're even interested in. Are you?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Understanding where you're coming from has been my goal from the start. I've offered to demonstrate to you for a multitude of posts now evidence that the policies Biden supports are the policies that a majority of Americans support, but I'm not going to go to that effort unless I first know that this is information you're even interested in. Are you?

I've repeatedly made my position clear, on this subject, that Biden's support for policies the majority of American support did not translate to approval ratings and some of this early polling.

If you need to be right about Biden's policies, then give yourself a victory lap. But know that this thread is about a threat, regardless of who is behind it, of a third party doing to him what was done to Bush 41. Entirely because he is underwater on general approval and by several key subjects voters outside of the faithful party loyalists will consider.

Even if you think Biden aligns with those moderates and independents, here we are.

So why do I have to buy it?

 

[Michael Cole]

First things first, do you accept the premise that Biden's policy positions are shared by a majority of Americans? This is something that I really haven't been able to pin down with you -- whether or not you actually agree with that claim or if you're disputing it.

Sometimes, the answer, or part of the answer, is in the cliche. Democrats, and Biden, suck at messaging. Take away right wing media and there would still be a deficit.

Yes, most people have moved into the 21st century. They support choice, gun restrictions and addressing climate change. They also support addressing the border and are largely ignorant of economics, thus blaming Biden for inflation. It's a two-way street. Right wing media is brutal, dishonest and in my opinion, harmful to democracy. Its very existence is protected by democracy, and this is one of many paradoxes that arises from a system of self-governance. Democracy allows me to vote for its removal.

As @Tangmo often notes, this is a fight between democracy and its destruction.

I thought the Democrats picked up their game in 2020 with messaging, despite the mistakes of defund the police and believe all women. 2022 saw no big red wave, despite Biden's low approval numbers. This may be panic over nothing.

Biden needed the far-left vote in 2020, and despite his actual moderate position and willingness to compromise, he's hamstrung from praising the US for oil production, for example. Fox can scream war on fossil fuels all it wants, and if Biden responds with facts, the green vote takes notice. Trying to appease all sides has inherent problems.

Anyway, I agree with @OrphanSlug. There's plenty of blame to go around, some of it intrinsic to strategy, but I'll expand that blame to all Democrats, and specifically to the messaging deficit.

It's still early, Trump is in all kinds of legal trouble, and No Labels should not be viewed as a threat. It's composed of Republicans and Democrats. Like I mentioned earlier, I don't know what their strategy is. This article is the other side of Reich's email.

No Labels vows to end presidential effort if polls show Biden 'way' ahead of Trump in spring

The group is facing strong criticism from Democrats and some other anti-Trump forces about potentially fracturing the vote against Trump in 2024.

www.nbcnews.com

“No Labels is not and will not be a spoiler in favor of Donald Trump in 2024,” said Dr. Ben Chavis, the Democratic co-chair of No Labels, in an interview on Thursday.

Reich hasn't presented anything to convince me Dr. Chavis is lying.

If anything, I hope No Labels gets Democrats to focus on winning voters, not instilling panic through emails from washed up economists.

 

[Cardinal]

I've repeatedly made my position clear, on this subject, that Biden's support for policies the majority of American support did not translate to approval ratings and some of this early polling.

I'm not only not disputing this, it's actually the central premise for everything I've been saying and asking.

If you need to be right about Biden's policies, then give yourself a victory lap. But know that this thread is about a threat, regardless of who is behind it, of a third party doing to him what was done to Bush 41. Entirely because he is underwater on general approval and by several key subjects voters outside of the faithful party loyalists will consider.

Even if you think Biden aligns with those moderates and independents, here we are.

So why do I have to buy it?

Yes, here we are, and I'm trying to understand why that is from your perspective. You're an independent, so my thinking is, "Here's an independent who doesn't think like I do. Why is that?"

I'm going to drop the policy line of discussion because it's clearly getting us nowhere and you're not interested in it. So moving on, why do you not like Biden?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

I believe you'll find that "NO LABELS" is largely composed of authoritarian Republicrat $hit puppets just like the Republicans and Democrats.

Imo, it's very very shallow, destructive, etc. to support any of this Republicrat $election fraud.

Those of you who poopoo 'negative voting', how about a "NO CONFIDENCE" option for people out of the Republicrat fog?

 

[Tangmo]

If Trump is elected it will be because Independents did it.

In their self righteousness of course. Not to mention indignance.

And their eternal condemnation of the Democratic Party and Democrats that is completely one sided.

 

[Tangmo]

Democrats, and Biden, suck at messaging.

Amen.

 

[Michael Cole]

Amen.

It's still early, and the polls are garbage. One poll says Trump beats Biden, actually BY A LOT, and another says most people think Trump is ineligible to run, by a 20-point margin. Meaningless. I'm thinking the machine is tuning up for next year. While everyday messaging is lacking (especially compared to the non-stop attack mode from the far-right), the Dems did well in 2020. I'm optimistic for a repeat performance.

No Labels says it's not trying to spoil the election for Trump. I believe them. While they are obviously monied interests, and would prefer a fiscally conservative POTUS, they don't want Trump. They don't want chaos. They don't want lawlessness and civil unrest.

I used to respect Robert Reich. He's a smart economist, but these forays into politics are hair-on-fire extremism.