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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051646 said:He was given chest compressions. The cop compressed his throat and his chest, thereby killing him, which is a homicide.
If you can't breath, you can't talk. This guy felt he couldn't breath because of chest compression . . . says Coroner MaggieD.
Garner swatted at the police and resisted arrest. This is a man who had been arrested 30 previous times. After thirty times, you think a person would know that isn't how one is to react. Most likely the reason he resisted is his ass was already in deep doo doo because he was out on bail over a number of criminal charges and selling black market cigarettes was one of them which he was busted by an undercover cop prior to his arrest.
The cop that used the chokehold, an illegal move in New York City, almost immediately had his badge and gun stripped from him for his wrongdoing.
Garner's massive heart attack had several factors. He had asthma, heart disease and obesity weighing in at almost 400 pounds.
He's dead because he's too fat, lazy and stupid to get a real job.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051609 said:He got more than a headache. Can you imagine the terror the man felt begging for his life ("I can't breathe", multiple times) with no affect?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051654 said:Sure you can. Did you see the video?
I have no idea. Maybe it works just fine most of the time to subdue someone early in a confrontation, before they are able to hurt others or be injured themselves. Your feelings, while interesting, are not relevant.Why isnt it illegal? It sure as hell seems illegal to me.
Choking someones neck is lethal force. The guy wasnt a threat so no justification of lethal force. They used lethal force by purposely targeting his neck. That sounds illegal to me even though everyone decided not to pursue the crime. If its ok for someone to use lethal force by choking someone to death for non-violently resisting arrest then why isnt it ok for a cop to shoot a person in the head for non-violent resistance? Because its wrong. As is choking someone.
This thread reveals we've got a bunch of members accustomed to running from the law in all manner of ways. Police are your boogeymen.
I did see the video. He said several times that he couldn't breath. My point, insignificant though it is, is that he could breath. If he couldn't breath? He couldn't TALK. Try it yourself. You'll find it's impossible...like licking your elbow.
I said "swatted" not smacked. And yes he did. First he stood there and argued with them. He started backing up from them and swatted at them to push them away as they tried to arrest him.He never once "swatted" or "smacked" the police. The cops grabbed at his arm and he tried to receed his arm. Dont lie. Its illegal to choke a person who doesnt pose a lethal threat to you.
Not likely. CPR in a hospital setting, when the patient is already there, and the crash is observed, already has a poor rate of success, and that's with availability of defibrillators, pacers, drugs, iv fluids, and high levels of oxygen. Ini the field, CPR has a VERY poor rate of success, and the longer it is delayed, the worse the prognosis.
Right, well, those aren't exactly the types of chest compressions I was referring to. lol
You of course realize I just tried to lick my elbow to see if you're right.
You're right. On both counts.
I knew someone would. :lol: :lol:
I see. I understand that. But surely there's an exception to that for unhealthy people. And then there's that disallowed chokehold. And the non-responsiveness to his "I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe."
Awful. I support policemen. They have a dangerous job and have to make split second decisions. But this seems different to me. I think maybe they should've just left him alone or given him another ticket. He's not selling ciggies at that particular time. He's being respectful.
I don't know. So sad. It didn't have to happen.
If you can't breath, you can't talk. This guy felt he couldn't breath because of chest compression . . . says Coroner MaggieD.
At first I was wondering why you were attacking CPR, but then I reread my post and noticed the word easily. Yes, that was poor wording. What I was trying to say was that it could have definitely saved his life. It may not have, but to keep the circulation of blood moving, and possibly provide some oxygen is certainly helpful.
When the cops tackle and choke an unarmed black man for not paying 5 cent taxes on his cigarette singles, that form of government tyranny is okay for some conservatives.
I did see the video. He said several times that he couldn't breath. My point, insignificant though it is, is that he could breath. If he couldn't breath? He couldn't TALK. Try it yourself. You'll find it's impossible...like licking your elbow.
Have you actually read the responses in this thread? The decision by the GJ has been criticized by far left wingers, tough on crime right wingers and libertarians. Who has defended it? The same 6-7 people who get accused of being closeted racists. Who else? The same 6-7 posters that will defend cops no matter the circumstance because of the bull**** line that they have a hard job to do.
That you're trying to paint Goshin - a former cop - as someone who is accustomed to running from the law is pretty ****ing laughable if not downright ridiculous. What? Ockham is accustomed to running from the law? Digsbe too? What about notabene? PerfectStorm? Is he accustomed to running from the law? The Rev is accustomed to running from the law too? Μολὼν λαβέ is accustomed to running from the law? You're looking ridiculously silly in your assertion. Get the **** outta here with that bull**** before someone a little less restricted in their words decides to call you on it.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051698 said:Who made that happen?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051568 said:then you didn't read the coroner's report.
you must not realize how much damage a few seconds of cutting off the jugular vein can be.... Its very relevant.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064051698 said:(Do not) try this; have someone place you in a choke hold and see if you can breathe. I'll bet you get out a few "I can't breathe" statements before passing out, or maybe dying.
The point is he can't breathe now, can he? Who made that happen?
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