ddoyle00
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i heard the price of health care per vehicle cost as much as the steel and material used to build each vehicle. The unions cause alot of trouble in our economy.ddoyle00 said:"
Maybe they shouldnt make an entry-level truck $28,000. Seriously though, I remember reading that an average of $1200 of a vehicle's price goes to cover the healthcare of a union worker. The Union reps can call this action anything they like, but they might want to consider the word "unemployed"
I think its time for the unions to dissolve or at least consider giving up some ground. When they won for their workers to have healthcare, all they really won was the right for the companies to pass the loss on to us. Now look, 25% of its work force expected to disappear and GM's stock has gone up .13 cents.
ddoyle00 said:"DETROIT - General Motors Corp., pounded by declining sales and rising health care costs, said Monday it will cut more than a quarter of its North American manufacturing jobs and close 12 facilities by 2008. The United Auto Workers called the plan "devastating" and warned it will make negotiations more difficult, but some Wall Street analysts said GM's actions may not go far enough."
"To get production in line with demand, GM will cut 30,000 jobs and will close nine assembly, stamping and powertrain plants and three parts facilities. The job cuts represent 27 percent of GM's hourly jobs and about 17 percent of its overall North American work force of 173,000."-Yahoo News, 21/Nov/05
Maybe they shouldnt make an entry-level truck $28,000. Seriously though, I remember reading that an average of $1200 of a vehicle's price goes to cover the healthcare of a union worker. The Union reps can call this action anything they like, but they might want to consider the word "unemployed"
I think its time for the unions to dissolve or at least consider giving up some ground. When they won for their workers to have healthcare, all they really won was the right for the companies to pass the loss on to us. Now look, 25% of its work force expected to disappear and GM's stock has gone up .13 cents.
BWG said:So, we take away health care and now that entry level truck costs $26,800. Will that bring back enough customers to keep GM from cutting jobs?
If you take away their (earned) medical benefits you would have 30,000 MORE Americans without healthcare, who will then have to rely on the taxpayers to pay out more when they have to use the emergency room for their clinic.
I know, is it better losing benefits, than being unemployed? Probably, but why is it the workers who always have to make the sacrifice? They negotiated with management for pay and benefits. Why should workers have to cut their wages and benefits while prices of everything rise? Are we expanding the class of working poor? You think that maybe management may have had a hand in the mis-management of the company? Did they take the fall?
I see a lot of people in this forum complaining about welfare, well here are 30,000 (+ their families) more candidates, who were former productive working Americans.
Loxd4 said:It's not the unions fault......it’s Chinas fault and foreign countries try making some car's cheaper...we need tariff’s on imports to jump start our economy again...if GM and Ford move outside the country to make car's we will have a problem...b/c the factories during war make tanks and plane parts and gun parts....so we would need them for war purposes and for the economy...this is bad for the economy
U.S. light-vehicle sales for July were the highest of any month in history.
Automotive News reported record-breaking U.S. auto sales for July:
Ford Motor Co. and the Chrysler group joined General Motors in selling vehicles below dealer cost. Sales of Ford's North American brands jumped 30.5 percent over last year....In the second month of the GM Employee Discount for Everyone, sales of GM's North American brands climbed 14.7 percent. In June, the kickoff month, GM posted a gain of 46.7 percent....
GM's cars were down 5.4 percent, and its trucks were up 27.6 percent; Ford Motor's cars were up 22.0 percent, and its trucks were up 33.6 percent; the Chrysler group's cars were up 5.8 percent, and its trucks were up 34.2 percent....
The other Big 3-- Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc., American Honda Motor Co. Inc. and Nissan North America Inc.-- also did well in July, with a combined sales upswing of 10.3 percent.
And in a separate story:
For many dealers, the Big 3's decision to extend employee-discount-for-all deals on 2005 models won't mean much.
The reason? After the discounts set summer sales ablaze, there aren't many 2005 vehicles left.
Chevrolet dealer Edgar McGraw normally has 120 vehicles from the outgoing model year on his Camden, Ala., lot in early August. This year he has fewer than 20, he says.
I guess Detroit can still sell plenty of cars as long as they don't want to make a profit.
Ford announced on Friday that it will be reducing its white-collar workforce by 4,000 in the first quarter of 2006. Those losing their jobs, in large part through involuntary layoffs, will include salaried and contract workers as well as those hired through employment agencies. The full cost-cutting plan will not be revealed until a new "Way Forward" restructuring program is rolled out in January, meaning those about to lose their jobs will not be informed right away.
scottyz said:In a lot of ways GM is suffering because our health care industry has all of washington in their pockets.
UtahBill said:So, how many posters here drive foreign cars? I have never owned one, nor will I ever.
Calm2Chaos said:GM is suffering because the union... Thats there problem
It's not even close to that simple.Calm2Chaos said:GM is suffering because the union... Thats there problem
scottyz said:It's not even close to that simple.
Yeah, I know that most "foreign" cars are made here now, but the profits still go to another country.Stinger said:What do you mean by "foreign car"? I drive an Altima, got a new one on the way. Both built in Canton MS. The plant there employees several thousands people, it also supports several hundreds of business which in turn employ several thousands of people. I know because I sell to them and to Hyundai and to Honda and Mecedes and soon to Kia. All of which are or will soon be manufacturing cars here in the South. There is an economic BOOM going on in the auto industry in the US, it's just not up in the heavy union states. Yes there has been some hurt when Delphi closed plants down here. But do you seriously believe you can pay someone to sit at a workbench and insert a headlight into a socket $27/hour plus that again in benefits?
Most of the people working in the NON_UNION plants down here came from unionized plants, textiles, woodproducts, paper. They want nothing to do with unions again. They like where they work and the way they are treated WITHOUT a union.
UtahBill said:Yeah, I know that most "foreign" cars are made here now, but the profits still go to another country.
As for unions, my father was a union worker most of his life, but finally saw too much of the dark side of it. He even became a Republican in his later years. He was a skilled machinist and made less than the Detroit assembly line workers. Kind of funny, as his dad was a life long Republican, too bad grandpa didn't live long enough to see his son switch political parties.
I experienced 2 shipyards while in the navy, one in Bremerton, WA and one in Japan. If I was the one paying the bills, I would choose Japan any day of the week. The American workers had all kinds of rules that kept the work from getting done. The Japanese just went in and did it, and a carton of cigarettes would get minor changes made that American workers wouldn't even consider without an additional ton of money.
The SECOND I read "I live in Philly, the unions here keep businesses and business out all the time.", the first thing I thought was "Convention Center".Calm2Chaos said:I think the unions need is very limited in todays economy and job cycle.
I live in Philly, the unions here keep businesses and business out all the time. Conventions, trade shows, concert etc etc.. It's to much of a hassle to deal with them. So the 5th largest city in the country gets left off a lot of playbills
Calm2Chaos said:I think the unions need is very limited in todays economy and job cycle.
According to the rules, working on a holiday does rate double time, but his boss should have found more work for him to do. Lazy management is as much to blame as the Union.cnredd said:The SECOND I read "I live in Philly, the unions here keep businesses and business out all the time.", the first thing I thought was "Convention Center".
The Electrical & Carpenter's unions have destroyed that place!...They even had TV shows(Jeopardy & Wheel of Fortune) say they're never coming back here...
A guy I know worked there...Electrician...For working July 4th, he got double-time...changed 2 light bulbs and read the paper...:shock:
UtahBill said:According to the rules, working on a holiday does rate double time, but his boss should have found more work for him to do. Lazy management is as much to blame as the Union.
cnredd said:The SECOND I read "I live in Philly, the unions here keep businesses and business out all the time.", the first thing I thought was "Convention Center".
The Electrical & Carpenter's unions have destroyed that place!...They even had TV shows(Jeopardy & Wheel of Fortune) say they're never coming back here...
A guy I know worked there...Electrician...For working July 4th, he got double-time...changed 2 light bulbs and read the paper...:shock:
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