Are you speaking from your own personal experience here?
I can relate very well to some men, not to others, very well to some women and not to others. That probably holds true for most people.
The inability to relate to others is not necessarily gender biased.
No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias - Yahoo! News
Gender Bias?
I'm about as pro-trans rights, as they come around here, but this... is just ****ing mental this is.
Gender roles discourage women from valuing the skills that would make them adept at those tasks.
Self selection is influenced by gender roles. That is what this is all about.
First off, I would not want to justify anything on war which is hard to justify in itself.
Still your argument does not hold anymore. With modern weapons and equipment women are more than capable of serving as soldiers.
I would not doubt some still feel some preference for it. We have to have more than that or they going to all go lezbo.
A woman's role as a mother is always going to be definite, but men are pretty much obsolete.
No 'him' or 'her'; preschool fights gender bias - Yahoo! News
Gender Bias?
I'm about as pro-trans rights, as they come around here, but this... is just ****ing mental this is.
Most likely not.
It's not as if there are droves of females lining up as there has been less and less gender discrimination.
Self selection based on evolutionary factors, not based on unnatural and abusive conditioning.
Then why aren't women serving in equal numbers?
Men have an important role.
Fatherless households tend to fail the children.
You're getting too tied up in the thought that all gender roles are bad.
Some are, largely those imposed by top down authority but not all are.
Women and men are different, that's good.
Variety is the spice of life.
I am sorry but that does nothing for you argument. Gender roles can influence without gender discrimination.
Unnatural and abusive conditioning? What are you talking about? Gender roles are not necessarily passed on through Nazi training camps.
The self selection is not entirely based on evolutionary facotrs. Social norms concerning gender roles condition behavior. Again this is what this is all about.
You guys act as if we have had complete equality for thousands of years. Women are still prohibited from engaging in combat roles. That's going to change. Culture will still influence even after barriers built upon overt discrimination are gone, though.
Two parents are better than one. I doubt gender matters much.
Divorce has diminished our role as parent. Men basically get to be parents at the discretion of the mother who has the real parental rights. That's not going to change.
I don't think all gender roles are bad and of course women and men are different. Gender does create significant difference and because of that some form of gender role is likely to persist, but what should it be? I don't think there is much doubt that modern gender roles have become somewhat anachronistic and are going to change significantly in the near future.
The school is interesting to me not because I think it will erase gender roles. I am interested to see what "natural" gender roles develop if we don't emphasize old roles that are of dubious value.
I know they can, but why are these still existing sans the discrimination?
Social norms are based largely on evolutionary need.
They are developed organically.
Culture has little to do with it.
Innate gender preferences will still drive women towards other non combat roles.
While I agree, in many 2 parent household I'm willing to bet that there is a "male" like parent and a "female" like parent.
The gender roles already existing are largely natural.
You're already violating this by assigning negative value to some gender roles you find dubious.
Studies have shown this gender neutral crap is emasculating to males. Now why do you suppose we want that?
j-mac
Feminicism. The left is still pushing that old ****. Gender neutrality, abortion...all things so women are in control. Make ******s out of men, and have them like it.
I think gender roles interfere in our ability to relate. Women and men see and relate to the world a bit differently and I do believe that is influenced by gender roles and culture.
What, exactly, is wrong with gender stereotypes?STOCKHOLM – At the "Egalia" preschool, staff avoid using words like "him" or "her" and address the 33 kids as "friends" rather than girls and boys.
From the color and placement of toys to the choice of books, every detail has been carefully planned to make sure the children don't fall into gender stereotypes.
It's very telling but why do you think this is true?
Why do you think the "child bearing" gender is encouraged to be protected by the "suck it up" gender?
We learn gender roles from adults for good reason, they have kept us as the top dogs for a long time.
i think you're misunderstanding me. to a certain extent, those roles are important. they start to be troublesome when women, or men, are expected to behave or think a certain way simply because of their gender.
Everyone sees the world somewhat differently and that would be true for people educated in all-girls schools, all-boys schools, mixed schools or no schools. You seem to be saying that without gender we would all communicate more easily and that the world would thus be a more pleasant place in which to live.
Trying to remove, or stifle, who we are genuinely are has not met with much success in the past, with few breakthroughs in heightened abilities to relate being reported.
A persons sexuality comes very close in defining who they are as individuals and human beings. Start tampering and experimenting with that, in the hope that we can eventually all "relate" to each other, seems a bit foolhardy, and will probably keep their shrinks busy in another 30 years.
The fact that men cannot relate to women and that women cannot relate to men is just a part of nature. Not much can be done about it.I seem to be saying exactly what I said, gender interfers with our ability to relate to one another across gender...
I seem to be saying exactly what I said, gender interfers with our ability to relate to one another across gender, and nothing more. You seem to be trying to change what I said.
The reason I asked for clarification is because you have offered no studies saying that persons of opposing genders have difficulty relating to each other, thus it is just your own opinion, and one without foundation.
We are stifling and tampering with gender identity by enforcing it the through social norms. That has kept our shrinks busy and will continue to do kepp them busy.
Do you have any studies to support this claim or are you just winging it? Or do you feel the education system should change because of relationship experiences you've suffered?
The fact that men cannot relate to women and that women cannot relate to men is just a part of nature. Not much can be done about it.
The fact that men cannot relate to women and that women cannot relate to men is just a part of nature. Not much can be done about it.
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