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No current candidate is a uniter

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I am so sick and tired of those who say Hillary, Obama and McCain are uniters. In reality none of them are.

How would Hillary win moderate Republicans, moderate Democrats, Libertarians and Conservatives? With all her negative baggage.

How could Obama win Conservative Republicans, Moderate Republicans, and Libertarians especially after his putz of a pastor's comments out there and being named the most liberal senator of 2007?

How could McCain win Conservative Republicans with having a secular liberal Jew supporting him? How can he win Libertarians and Conservative Republicans with his votes for Amnesty and Campaign Finance? How can he win Liberal Democrats with his continued support for the Iraq war?



I would love to hear some answers from their supporters.
 
McCain has teamed up with Dems several times to try and pass pieces of legislation (not that any of it's been worth anything).
 
I am so sick and tired of those who say Hillary, Obama and McCain are uniters. In reality none of them are.

How would Hillary win moderate Republicans, moderate Democrats, Libertarians and Conservatives? With all her negative baggage.

How could Obama win Conservative Republicans, Moderate Republicans, and Libertarians especially after his putz of a pastor's comments out there and being named the most liberal senator of 2007?

How could McCain win Conservative Republicans with having a secular liberal Jew supporting him? How can he win Libertarians and Conservative Republicans with his votes for Amnesty and Campaign Finance? How can he win Liberal Democrats with his continued support for the Iraq war?



I would love to hear some answers from their supporters.

No serious presidential candidate ever has, or ever will be, a uniter. And that's a good thing; if everyone united behind the president, I would have some serious concerns about the health of our democracy.

The best you can hope for is a president who shares a majority of your agenda, and can convince a majority of the Congress to go along with it, a majority of the time.
 
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I am so sick and tired of those who say Hillary, Obama and McCain are uniters. In reality none of them are.

How would Hillary win moderate Republicans, moderate Democrats, Libertarians and Conservatives? With all her negative baggage.

How could Obama win Conservative Republicans, Moderate Republicans, and Libertarians especially after his putz of a pastor's comments out there and being named the most liberal senator of 2007?

How could McCain win Conservative Republicans with having a secular liberal Jew supporting him? How can he win Libertarians and Conservative Republicans with his votes for Amnesty and Campaign Finance? How can he win Liberal Democrats with his continued support for the Iraq war?



I would love to hear some answers from their supporters.

I think you're missing their intent! They are uniters, Absolutely !
They are uniting corrupt corporate politicians to squeeze more money out
of the US taxpayers !

Now Nader is also a uniter ! He is uniting Americans who don't like the way
the current government is destroying America. (All those Americans who
gave the Prez & Congress a poor rating. )
Twelve Issues that Matter for 2008 -- Ralph Nader for President in 2008
 
No serious presidential candidate ever has, or ever will be, a uniter. And that's a good thing.

This is completely wrong! When a Prez. does good things for America all
politicians should "UNITE" with the Prez. The only reason why people might
feel the way you do is because our current political land scape is so corrupt
that politicans will harm Americans and America to support "THEIR" parties
agenda !! And as long as the REP-DEM Monopoly is left in power we will
suffer at the hands of these partisan politicians!

if everyone united behind the president, I would have some serious concerns about the health of our democracy..

Why? If a Prez was trying to do a smart benevolent thing shouldn't everyone
"Unite" with him? Democracy does not mean "CONFLICT" , people can be
united fairly easily, but the REPS&DEMS "KNOW" that if they can DIVIDE the
American people, they can "Conquer" them!


The best you can hope for is a president who shares a majority of your agenda, and can convince a majority of the Congress to go along with it, a majority of the time.

You are a prime example how poeple can be selfish and petty. Thus the
termoil that runs rampent in American Politics ! The best you can do is
push your politicans to do what's best for America, and for you to be a fair
and honest citizen and not support blantly corrupt and biased political parties
that will destroy America.
 
A side-effect of the competitive party system. And republicans seem to take it to the extreme. They win by a small margin, and declare they have a mandate to serve their party, and not the people. Bush and Cheney did this in 2004, despite low approval ratings.

Serving one's party is serving part of the nation, but not all of the nation.
Up to the people to accept that or reject it. One reason why Obama is so attractive is because he is not old party leadership, which appears to make it more likely he can forgo catering soley to his party, and focus instead on the nation as a whole.

The trick is, with re-election looming, a president's first 4 years can't deviate too much from the party faithful if they aren't otherwise that popular. And the last 4 years, they should have more freedom, but they instead try to work on their legacy and on setting up the nation for the next election to favor their party. (i.e. we will keep the war going so the republicans have a better chance in '08)

-Mach
 
A side-effect of the competitive party system. And republicans seem to take it to the extreme. They win by a small margin, and declare they have a mandate to serve their party, and not the people. Bush and Cheney did this in 2004, despite low approval ratings.

-Mach

I could name just as many Dem Presidents who adopted the "madate to serve" philosophy. LBJ catered/caved to party interests when he escalated the war in 'Nam. Kennedy propagated the Bay of Pigs Invasion going against the advice of many on the other side of the political spectrum. FDR holds the record for Presidential vetoes. Truman used atomic weapons arbitrarily in Japan without the consent of the majority and approved of the internment of Japanese-Americans. All Dems. Were all of these decisions made in the "people's best interest?" How can you make the claim that "Republicans have taken it to the extreme?"
 
I could name just as many Dem Presidents who adopted the "madate to How can you make the claim that "Republicans have taken it to the extreme?"

By observing it, reasoning it, and then typing it. How do you do such things, through prayer or secret ninjitsu meditation?

I'm not quite sure the relevance of much of what you post, and I don't see the relevance of your notations about other presidents. In none of these cases do you provide the evidence of what specifically the polls were before they took the action, after, and what specifically motivated their decision, be it national security, a previously stated position (in the case of the vetos), or in the Bush Cheney case, demonstrably they claimed to have a mandate and we know the poll numbers.

Not only do you provide no such evidenence, but sadly even if we accepted them as all true, none of them discredit anything I wrote. You my be a professional time waster, I can't tell yet, but I'm watching.

-Mach
 
By observing it, reasoning it, and then typing it. How do you do such things, through prayer or secret ninjitsu meditation?
Nahhh. I just use the Force.

I'm not quite sure the relevance of much of what you post, and I don't see the relevance of your notations about other presidents.
The relevance is simple you made a witless generalization about Republicans (I assume you mean all Republicans, both past and present.) Here are your exact words:
And republicans seem to take it to the extreme. They win by a small margin, and declare they have a mandate to serve their party, and not the people.
You made the claim, so back it up. The claim seems to be that Republicans do not serve the people. Am I misreading your statement? Please, help me if I'm wrong. Let's hear about all of the Republicans who "failed to serve the people." Please, enlighten me. Let's go all the way back to Lincoln, he obviously had no concern for the people (especially slaves) and was only "in it" to fulfill his "mandate." I used examples of Democratic Presidents and decisions arbitrarily made by them which were obviously unpopular with the American People and the opposition party.

Unwarranted, unsupported generalizations like the one you "snuck" into your post are typical of the Left. You haven't come up with anything new Mach. You're just repeating the same ol' rhetoric that's been passed around since the GOP supposedly "stole" the 2000 election. Time to move on - the GOP-bashing is getting old. Find something new and worthwhile on which to project your shortcomings.


Not only do you provide no such evidenence, but sadly even if we accepted them as all true, none of them discredit anything I wrote. You my be a professional time waster, I can't tell yet, but I'm watching.
-Mach

I'm not trying to discredit anything you wrote. On the contrary, I completely agree with you! I am no Bush apologist, even though I will admit I voted for him in 2000. I feel his arrogance has often stood in the way of real progress in both domestic and foreign policy. I just feel your statement was indicative of a one-sided "sneak attack" and you only tell part of the truth. Your statement makes it sound as if no Democratic President has ever failed to regard the concerns of the people. I hope I haven't "wasted" too much of your time - but keep on watchin' anyway.:mrgreen:
 
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I am so sick and tired of those who say Hillary, Obama and McCain are uniters. In reality none of them are.

How would Hillary win moderate Republicans, moderate Democrats, Libertarians and Conservatives? With all her negative baggage.

How could Obama win Conservative Republicans, Moderate Republicans, and Libertarians especially after his putz of a pastor's comments out there and being named the most liberal senator of 2007?

How could McCain win Conservative Republicans with having a secular liberal Jew supporting him? How can he win Libertarians and Conservative Republicans with his votes for Amnesty and Campaign Finance? How can he win Liberal Democrats with his continued support for the Iraq war?



I would love to hear some answers from their supporters.

No President has ever or will ever unite everyone. But that's not the point. When Barack Obama talks about uniting the country, he talks about toning down the partisanship in Washington and working together to tackle the big questions and get things done. He also talks about inspiring people. He'll never inspire everyone, but he might inspire a lot.

I don't know if either of the two other candidates particularly put themselves out there as uniters, but there's cases for them too.

McCain has worked with Democrats of all stripes numerous times in the past to get (or try to get) things done, and I believe he'd probably succeed in doing so as President. He'll face problems though on the war. People will refuse to compromise on other issues because he refuses to compromise on the war. Then he's talked tough on spending, so if he keeps his promise to "make famous" those who engage in pork spending, then he'll likely make a lot of people who might otherwise work with him pretty angry.

Hillary... well... the first Clinton administration wasn't exactly the greatest example of how to work together and get things done. There was certainly no uniting to speak of. But, if you listen to Republicans talk about her work in the Senate, you get a sense that they believe she would be willing to work together with them and compromise on some issues. Maybe they'd just rather face her than Obama in the fall, but you certainly get the sense that she's become more of a centrist on a number of issues.

In terms of personality and rhetoric, I'd say Obama is most likely to be able to unite partisans and get things done, and most likely to inspire everyday people to do things that our last few Presidents couldn't.

McCain has proven that he will work together with Democrats, but he has a lot of problems. One, sure... he's work with Democrats, but will he work with Republicans? Two, he's got a temper problem. Three, he's not particularly a likeable guy. Maybe others disagree, but he does nothing for me, so he's not likely to inspire me to do anything. Maybe he'll inspire miltary types and give us confidence on security issues though. Four, his issues (spending and the war) are issues on which he seems very unlikely to compromise.

Clinton has probably the weakest case of the three, I'd say. You hear some rumblings that she'll work with people but she's about as likeable (or less in some circles) than McCain. Then she's got that reputation, that she herself puts out there, as a fighter (not good if you want to unite). Then the major issue, that you have seen the opposite from her husband.
 
Politics is about division its almost always a bad thing when a country all unites under a leader as they tend to be people like Adolf Hitler.Imagine being the only person you knew who disagreed with nearly all your governments polices?
 
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