No 2A = A nation of lemmings cowering in their own homes

[AConcernedCitizen]

Defending themselves from something that doesn't happen?

Stopping people from killing you is a pretty good way to defend yourself against getting killed. It is actually an extremely effective method of self-defense.

 

[Peter]

Let's say in 50 years we have Trek style hand phasers that can vapourise someone in an instant with zero skill involved.
Would the 2nd ammendment cover that and mean anyone can have one?

 

[RF667799]

Stopping people from killing you is a pretty good way to defend yourself against getting killed. It is actually an extremely effective method of self-defense.

So how many people do that per year in the UK?

 

[RF667799]

Let's say in 50 years we have Trek style hand phasers that can vapourise someone in an instant with zero skill involved.
Would the 2nd ammendment cover that and mean anyone can have one?

You gonna take it away from the guy who has the first one?

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Do people who have fire extinguishers fantasize about putting out fires?

I imagine there are probably some out there.

People who actually care about fire safety care more about prevention, and common fire safety regulations though, and wouldn't deride people who are 6 times safer from fire because of their preventative measures as "lemmings cowering in their own homes" while bragging about how they are going to use their big fire extinguisher to make the fire the victim.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

So how many people do that per year in the UK?

The majority of them.

 

[RF667799]

The majority of them.

You think prohibiting a means of self defense, IS a means of self defense.

 

[Maidenrules29]

People who think they need weapons to protect themselves.
I never have.

Good for you. Plenty of people who have defended themselves against probable murder or rape would probably disagree with you. Should I link you some stories, or would you deem them "insignificant" because you think successful self defense using firearms "hardly ever happens" just like all the other pacifists?

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

You think prohibiting a means of self defense, IS a means of self defense.

I think folks in Great Britain are kicking America's collective ass when it comes to protecting themselves and their families against violence.

American's talk big talk about self-defense, but they can't walk the walk.

Even with all of our guns, folks in Great Britain are empirically about 6 times better at it, and they don't even need a gun to do it.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Like Japan

 

[RF667799]

I think folks in Great Britain are kicking America's collective ass when it comes to protecting themselves and their families against violence.

American's talk big talk about self-defense, but they can't walk the walk.

Even with all of our guns, folks in Great Britain are empirically about 6 times better at it, and they don't even need a gun to do it.

They miss out on all the other benefits of private gun ownership, because they address self defense by limiting the means to accomplish it.

 

[Grand Mal]

Good for you. Plenty of people who have defended themselves against probable murder or rape would probably disagree with you. Should I link you some stories, or would you deem them "insignificant" because you think successful self defense using firearms "hardly ever happens" just like all the other pacifists?

I'm not a pacifist. I just don't live in a society where I feel like I need to be armed against my neighbours. I don't have that fear. And nobody around me has. Nearly nobody.
Most people in developed countries don't feel that fear. Its a third-world, undeveloped-country thing

 

[RF667799]

I'm not a pacifist. I just don't live in a society where I feel like I need to be armed against my neighbours. I don't have that fear. And nobody around me has. Nearly nobody.
Most people in developed countries don't feel that fear. Its a third-world, undeveloped-country thing

We have parts of the US that are just like what you're thinking of when you say "third world undeveloped". You might never have experienced one.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

They miss out on all the other benefits of private gun ownership, because they address self defense by limiting the means to accomplish it.

Which benefits are they missing out on?

 

[Grand Mal]

We have parts of the US that are just like what you're thinking of when you say "third world undeveloped". You might never have experienced one.

In the US? Never have. My experience of the US is touring by motorcycle all over the west, from Idaho/Montana to Nevada to California/ Oregon/Washington. Back roads mostly. If there's places like that I don't know them.
I might live in a place like that if I had to for work but I wouldn't raise a family there. I'd move them somewhere safe.

 

[RF667799]

In the US? Never have. My experience of the US is touring by motorcycle all over the west, from Idaho/Montana to Nevada to California/ Oregon/Washington. Back roads mostly. If there's places like that I don't know them.
I might live in a place like that if I had to for work but I wouldn't raise a family there. I'd move them somewhere safe.

People don't move for many reasons. I was talking to a co-worker who lived in East St Louis one time, and he told me how he got his .357 Magnum out of the glove box upon arriving in his driveway so he could have it on the walk to the house. How he took off his ring before entering a convenient store if he had to stop for a gallon of milk or something on the way home.

I told him he should move out of that place. He earned good money and there was nothing stopping him from moving to a small town or suburban bedroom community.

"Nah", he said. "It's my home."

 

[Grand Mal]

People don't move for many reasons. I was talking to a co-worker who lived in East St Louis one time, and he told me how he got his .357 Magnum out of the glove box upon arriving in his driveway so he could have it on the walk to the house. How he took off his ring before entering a convenient store if he had to stop for a gallon of milk or something on the way home.

I told him he should move out of that place. He earned good money and there was nothing stopping him from moving to a small town or suburban bedroom community.

"Nah", he said. "It's my home."

I couldn't feel at home there.
But if having a handgun always at hand makes it a home, it is what it is I guess.
I'd still move my family somewhere safe.

 

[SkyChief]

The bolded part is actually not true.

All of it is 100% true.

Regulating guns, even banning specific guns, may not be considered an "infringement"..... You have the right to a weapon. That right shall not be infringed, but that does not necessarily mean you have the right to have a particular weapon without conditions.

Actually, it DOES. We have the right to keep and bear arms. That right "shall not be infringed".

If you don't like that Law, then change it.

This is actually an unexplored area in terms of litigation, so there is no real legal basis for your take on it, nor actually mine. We do know, however, that no right in the constitution is absolute. The government has the right, through legislation, to better clarify rights and articulate exceptions. All, of course, subject to legal challenge.

LOL.

Come and take them.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

The bolded part is actually not true. Regulating guns, even banning specific guns, may not be considered an "infringement"..... You have the right to a weapon. That right shall not be infringed, but that does not necessarily mean you have the right to have a particular weapon without conditions.

We have the right to have any weapon that we need in order to exercise our rights.

We have the right to have any weapon that there is no justification for restricting.

Also, gun restrictions are allowed only if a similar gun law was around back in 1790.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Let's say in 50 years we have Trek style hand phasers that can vapourise someone in an instant with zero skill involved.
Would the 2nd ammendment cover that and mean anyone can have one?

Zero skill? The beam will not need to be aimed?

Vaporize? What happened to setting for stun?

Yes, people will have the right to have them. America is a free country.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

I presented facts and logic, which you conveniently ignored.

I often ignore irrelevant trivia.

Adding childish namecalling does not confer any relevance to your trivia. It merely indicates that your position is indefensible.

Gun owners in the US are more likely to shoot themselves than to shoot a home invader,

No they aren't.

and that is a statistical fact.

No it isn't.

Which is another way of saying that folks in Great Britain are about 6 times better at defending themselves.
Or saying that folks in the US suck 6 times harder at defending themselves than folks in Great Britain.

Wow, I've heard of bad logic before, but that logic is really really bad!

People who actually care about fire safety care more about prevention, and common fire safety regulations though, and wouldn't deride people who are 6 times safer from fire because of their preventative measures as "lemmings cowering in their own homes" while bragging about how they are going to use their big fire extinguisher to make the fire the victim.

What nonsense. The UK's "preventative measures" do not make anyone safer. They merely abolish freedom.

I think folks in Great Britain are kicking America's collective ass when it comes to protecting themselves and their families against violence.

That is because your logic is really really bad.

American's talk big talk about self-defense, but they can't walk the walk.

Yes we can.

Even with all of our guns, folks in Great Britain are empirically about 6 times better at it, and they don't even need a gun to do it.

Nope.

Which benefits are they missing out on?

Freedom.

Free people have the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Relative to the smaller number. But how significant in reality?

Seems pretty significant.

 

[CLAX1911]

That is incorrect. He has never committed a crime.

No criminal records. No credible claims of criminal activity.



So far as I know, all of them have no criminal record or credible claim of criminal activity.

So you don't know?

 

[RF667799]

I couldn't feel at home there.
But if having a handgun always at hand makes it a home, it is what it is I guess.
I'd still move my family somewhere safe.

I think his children were grown.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

So you don't know?

I know that most of them are not criminals. Could one or two of them be criminals? Perhaps.