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Nigeria school attack: why US hasn't sent Special Forces to rescue girls


Well, if the timing is what you're using to run your "Blame Hillary" facade, and you have evidence that the $7 million bounty that she put on the leaders' heads were insufficient despite what the world's foremost African experts advised at the time, then let's go back to Bush's administration, which completely ignored Boko Haram, which was also active in Nigeria during his tenure.

See, that's the thing when people are so desperate to tarnish an individual that they twist, distort, fabricate and create justifications for their hatred; the justifications just don't make sense, aren't rational, and are easily dismissed by facts. And it is not a fact that simply including the entire organization on the terrorist list would have either given us more intel... it may have, but it probably wouldn't since to get such intel one must have a sovereign nation's approval, which we have never had... or would have prevented these abductions and other atrocities. It is simply your speculation, a speculation again based only upon your desire to pin this and any other atrocity around the world squarely on Hillary's back.

It's transparent, it's partisan hackery at its most contemptible, and it's disgusting.
 

if this local organization becomes recognized internationally, it could potentially use its new status to broadcast its ideology. there still fanatics in the world that share this groups beliefs and could potentially rally under their banner.
 
Let them solve their own problems and stay the fk out of it. This kind of crap is all over that area.
 

You really should read before you type. Boko Haram was formed in 2002 and did not make a single terror attack until 2010. For 2 points, can anyone in the class tell me when President Bush's term in office ended? Buehler? Buehler? Oh...did I hear January 20th, 2009? They did have some skirmishes with local police in 2009...but still not during Bush's term in office. Before that, they operated more like a religious cult. They attracted poor, uneducated locals. They fed them, taught their children (mostly radical islam) and over all brainwashed them. That let them form a small army, which they didn't begin to use until 2009 in any significant way.

Boko Haram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


See, I kind of feel like you are describing yourself. I based my information on facts that I can find in reliable news sources and websites. You are just shooting from the hip with personal attacks and baseless allegations. Who is the desperate one here?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
if this local organization becomes recognized internationally, it could potentially use its new status to broadcast its ideology. there still fanatics in the world that share this groups beliefs and could potentially rally under their banner.
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There are racists in the world that agree with Cliven Bundy. Why broadcast and denounce his beliefs but not terrorist beliefs? And what logic dictates that we just ignore injustice like this?

So, what was the right way to prevent this mass kidnapping? If putting them on the watch list and collecting information was wrong, what was right?
 

nigeria did not request for help from the united states.

if we had attempted to stop the kidnapping we would have been violating the sovereignty of Nigeria.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
nigeria did not request for help from the united states.

if we had attempted to stop the kidnapping we would have been violating the sovereignty of Nigeria.
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You don't know that they wouldn't have. Had we had the right intelligence, maybe just telling Nigeria would have been enough. Nigeria has had some success in dealing with this organization. If all we did was call up Nigeria and tell them what the plan was, there is a good chance that it would have been stopped.

Like I said, we can't know exactly what we could have done because we did not act. That, is the tragedy here. Yes, the terrorists are to blame for their own actions. But, so are we for our inaction.
 

The desperate ones are those who are trying to blame Hillary Clinton for atrocities done by one of a thousand African terrorist groups over the past decade. Just a thought... how about we admit that not even the big, bad US can stop every genocide, tribal massacre, and terrorist group all around the world, and distorting reality in order to play partisan politics is dishonest and contemptible? Because that is exactly what you are doing.
 
Can anyone explain to me why the issue of a country designating this group a terror org would have prevented this from happening?
 


Read the post above yours. I explicitly said the terrorists are to blame for their actions, but we are to blame for our inaction.

C'mon. Don't waste my time with your political hackery.
 
Ben K. said:
Can anyone explain to me why the issue of a country designating this group a terror org would have prevented this from happening?
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It would have provided authorization for intelligence agencies to gather information, prevent and/or track travel, intercept communications, etc.
 
MMC said:
These guys need to be put down like a rabid dog. They don't care who they go after. Muslim, Christian, or other. What say ye?
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Ye-up. Straight up just-to-watch-it-burn nutso's.
 
Ben K. said:
Can anyone explain to me why the issue of a country designating this group a terror org would have prevented this from happening?
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....we have a whole defense and intelligence community large chunks of which are dedicated to finding, tracking, and then neutralizing terrorist groups?
 
ksu_aviator said:
It would have provided authorization for intelligence agencies to gather information, prevent and/or track travel, intercept communications, etc.
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And this only happens with the designation? Pretty sure the intelligence community gathers this sort of info on non-terrorist groups abroad.

Pretty sure the NSA revealed that it doesn't matter how you're designated as long as you're foreign. Aside from blocking travel, but that's a bit useless in this boko situation.
 
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Ben K. said:
Can anyone explain to me why the issue of a country designating this group a terror org would have prevented this from happening?
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Because there are laws that prevent US military forces from surveilling and engaging groups that aren't designated as terrorists.
 

Probably so, but we can't really make use of that information, as far as a military response is concerned.
 
apdst said:
Probably so, but we can't really make use of that information, as far as a military response is concerned.
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direct military aid to nigeria may be complicated by existing law.

we cannot send direct aid to any foreign military guilty of human rights abuses.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
direct military aid to nigeria may be complicated by existing law.

we cannot send direct aid to any foreign military guilty of human rights abuses.
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Not maybe, but rather, is. We're already having problems because of that. Thanks to the hand wringers.
 

I'm pretty sure the reason we are all outraged at the NSA is because they did violate the trust of the American people. But that doesn't mean that every agency and every sector of the government participated.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I'm pretty sure the reason we are all outraged at the NSA is because they did violate the trust of the American people. But that doesn't mean that every agency and every sector of the government participated.
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Meta-data collection and special warrants for known terrorists communicating from outside the country to someone in the country.

Nothing wrong there. Get over it.
 
ecofarm said:
Meta-data collection and special warrants for known terrorists communicating from outside the country to someone in the country.

Nothing wrong there. Get over it.
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I'm fine with that. But the NSA collected data from millions of citizens without warrants and without probable cause. They just collected it. Now, I've seen nothing saying they used it. But they are not supposed to have it.
 
ksu_aviator said:
I'm fine with that. But the NSA collected data from millions of citizens without warrants and without probable cause. They just collected it. Now, I've seen nothing saying they used it. But they are not supposed to have it.
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You're confused. There was metadata and there were special warrants for known terrorists communicating from outside the country to someone inside. That's all.

Seriously, enough with the drummed up drama. Your entire hysteria is based on "but what COULD happen?!". That's a stupid premise. Anything could happen, at any time to anyone. That's not cause for subscribing to Alex Jones.
 
Of course since this is none of our business I'm sure you, as a conservative, will advocate that the Nigerian government take personal responsibility for their own internal affairs.
 
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