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Nielson Admts Russians Meddled

Fiddytree said:
Correct, but I would simultaneously reiterate his charge was broader than looking at Russian interference and coordination or ties with the Trump campaign and administration.

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And seems to be getting broader.
How many charges now, 35? Counting a dozen or so Russians who will never see an American courtroom. Four guilty pleas, if I remember right.
 
Fiddytree said:
The intelligence community is pretty clear that there is no evidence to suggest votes were changed, nor is there evidence that voter registration was negatively or positively impacted. That being said, they are also clear that there is no way to verify if voter registration was changed.

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Acorn filed fraudulent voter registrations by the thousands. No one cared.
 
Master PO said:
ok bring it on!....its been 1 1/2 years, why is it taking so long if the evidence is so clear
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Watergate took many years. The Manafort trial begins today.

It will be great fun watching TheDonald self-immolate.
 
Fiddytree said:
Correct, but I would simultaneously reiterate his charge was broader than looking at Russian interference and coordination or ties with the Trump campaign and administration.

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That isn't what we were told.
 
Grand Mal said:
That was the FBI, not Mueller. Mueller was hired by Trump's A-G office. By a Deputy, I've been corrected, not Sessions himself.
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The same deputy that recommended Comey be fired.
 
Master PO said:
the federal government itself has said, that even though Russians meddled in elections, no votes were changed by them
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That’s not the same as “no votes were influenced” by Russian meddling.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Watergate took many years. The Manafort trial begins today.

It will be great fun watching TheDonald self-immolate.
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How long did the various Benghazi investigations take, with no result whatever? There's been 35 charges here so far, with four guilty pleas and almost certainly more to come.
 
apdst said:
That isn't what we were told.
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No, that's just not what you wanted to hear. From the very beginning it was understood that Mueller could pursue matters that "may arise directly from the investigation," which did include serious matters regarding the Comey firing, among other matters. The debate, one that was fraught with partisan self-interest, was to what extent one thing or another would qualify as arising "directly from the investigation." Comey's firing, for instance, was beyond reasonable.
 
Master PO said:
we already know this!------>Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.... they hacked servers got into emails, but no votes were ever changed

but was there any collusion, there is no evidence of that yet and its been 1 1/2 years
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Voters minds were changed using illegal means so the end is the same, votes WERE changed. The election is tainted with illegal meddling and Trump knowingly took the help making him a co-conspirator.
 
iguanaman said:
Voters minds were changed using illegal means so the end is the same, votes WERE changed. The election is tainted with illegal meddling and Trump knowingly took the help making him a co-conspirator.
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as i stated earlier, anyone can change your mind, its not illegal, its you own fault if you do not discover truth.
 
Grand Mal said:
But they did. They announced sanctions against Russia for meddling, and the same day they announced it Trump's National Security Advisor-to-be, Mike Flynn, phoned the Russian ambassador for some reason as yet unexplained. Last I heard, he (Flynn) was saying he couldn't remember discussing sanctions but couldn't be sure the subject hadn't come up.
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Yes they did, more than 6 months after they knew.
 
Master PO said:
as i stated earlier, anyone can change your mind, its not illegal, its you own fault if you do not discover truth.
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What was illegal was the MEANS used to change those minds and Trump aided and abetted the Russian Govt. in their actions. That makes him a co-conspirator. It is also illegal to accept any help from a foreign Govt. in an election.
 
Master PO said:
as i stated earlier, anyone can change your mind, its not illegal, its you own fault if you do not discover truth.
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Fraud is not legal and perpetrators of fraud are charged with crimes. Trump is guilty of a conspiracy to defraud the U.S.
 
apdst said:
The intelligence community is wrong?
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No, you're just not listening to what I'm saying. I'm not saying Russia literally hacked voting machines and changed votes. I'm saying that the information Russia obtained illegally and leaked in support of the Trump administration convinced people not to vote for Hillary when they otherwise would have.

Liberals aren't the ones who accuse the intelligence community of lying, being wrong or being part of a deep state. That's you guys remember?
 
Fiddytree said:
No, that's just not what you wanted to hear. From the very beginning it was understood that Mueller could pursue matters that "may arise directly from the investigation," which did include serious matters regarding the Comey firing, among other matters. The debate, one that was fraught with partisan self-interest, was to what extent one thing or another would qualify as arising "directly from the investigation." Comey's firing, for instance, was beyond reasonable.
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The whole point of appointing Mueller was to investigate the possibility of obstruction because President Trump fired Comey. It wasn't until 16 days after his appointment that Rosenstein have him unlimited (unconstitutional) authority.

Rosenstein is the one that said Comey should be fired.
 
Master PO said:
as i stated earlier, anyone can change your mind, its not illegal, its you own fault if you do not discover truth.
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Stealing information is ok as long as it benefits Republicans. Right?
 
holbritter said:
Yes they did, more than 6 months after they knew.
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What Ever.
This is what's happening now. This investigation, started by the Trump administration. All these "But Obama...!" and "But Hillary...!" protests don't mean a damn thing. Comey, who was in charge of the FBI investigation during the Obama administration, was fired, remember? Even after announcing he was reopening the Clinton investigation about a week before the election, he was fired by Trump. If he had had a year-and-a-half to work on it, he might have gotten the same indictments Mueller has brought.
This is picking up steam and as the snowball rolls downhill the protests become more shrill. By the time Trump Jr. or someone equally close to the Dear Leader is indicted the right whinge here will all be up on their hind legs howling about Obama drinking beer in the Rose Garden when he's a practicing Muslim or something equally relevant.
It's all going to happen. Trump's window of opportunity to halt the investigation closed some time ago. The only question left is, is the Don's teflon enough to keep anything from sticking to him, personally?
 
Lutherf said:
Sanctions? How about an investigation? The fact that the Obama administration saw no need to pursue any action other than rinky dink sanctions is prima facie evidence that the concern was political rather than criminal. It wasn't until Trump won the election that anyone decided criminal actions should be investigated.

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Actually, the Obama administration did start an investigation. They chose to investigate TRUMP rather than the Russians.
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Really. Any proof of that accusation?
 
apdst said:
The whole point of appointing Mueller was to investigate the possibility of obstruction because President Trump fired Comey. It wasn't until 16 days after his appointment that Rosenstein have him unlimited (unconstitutional) authority.

Rosenstein is the one that said Comey should be fired.
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And Trump said he fired Comey because of Russia. He told Holt that he did not do because of what Rosenstein wrote. Sorry no backsies.
 
apdst said:
Acorn filed fraudulent voter registrations by the thousands. No one cared.
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That would be because it never happened. Just your imagination, me boy.
 
MrWonka said:
It's not an opinion. It's a fact. I'm not saying that they hacked voting machines and changed votes. I'm saying that the illegally obtained information changed minds. You can't know how many minds were changed, but it is more than reasonable to believe it was enough.
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So you are saying the people of the United States, having heard. truthfully about Hillary and the DNC's dishonesty, changed their votes....
 
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