Next-gen USPS mail trucks are only capable of 8.6 mpg, EPA says

[ALiberalModerate]

When you think about it, it's pretty astounding that we pay hundreds of thousands of people, to drive around in hundreds of thousands of pollution belching vehicles to deliver mail that is now over 95% unwanted junk mail, that immediately gets thrown a trash bin or recycle bin, where we pay hundreds of thousands of more people to drive around in pollution belching vehicles to deliver to landfills.

Next-gen USPS mail trucks are only capable of 8.6 mpg, EPA says

It’s claimed the USPS did not consider environmental impacts as required by law.

arstechnica.com

When are we going to recognize that for the vast majority of Americans, the USPS as it is today, is a near useless antiquated government service? I am not saying get rid of it, but the current system that is financed almost entirely by delivering junk mail to serve as a government jobs program is about as absurd of a government program as you could possibly have.

There is no reason to have daily mail delivery for most people. A couple of days a week would be more than sufficient for the average American these days. You can't say "I care about climate change and the environment", and also say "don't touch the postal service".

 

[Threegoofs]

When you think about it, it's pretty astounding that we pay hundreds of thousands of people, to drive around in hundreds of thousands of pollution belching vehicles to deliver mail that is now over 95% unwanted junk mail, that immediately gets thrown a trash bin or recycle bin, where we pay hundreds of thousands of more people to drive around in pollution belching vehicles to deliver to landfills.

Next-gen USPS mail trucks are only capable of 8.6 mpg, EPA says

It’s claimed the USPS did not consider environmental impacts as required by law.

arstechnica.com

When are we going to recognize that for the vast majority of Americans, the USPS as it is today, is a near useless antiquated government service? I am not saying get rid of it, but the current system that is financed almost entirely by delivering junk mail to serve as a government jobs program is about as absurd of a government program as you could possibly have.

There is no reason to have daily mail delivery for most people. A couple of days a week would be more than sufficient for the average American these days. You can't say "I care about climate change and the environment", and also say "don't touch the postal service".

Looks like DeJoy has blown it again.

The USPS doesn’t have to be antiquated- daily delivery is becoming even more important over the last few decades- why do you think FedEx and UPS are so huge?

 

[Nomad4Ever]

Bruh, next gen? How do you get 8.6 mpg with a current engine. My dad's freightliner truck gets more than that.

 

[bluesmoke]

Smaller delivery trucks and vans average 6.5 miles per gallon (MPG) at a steady speed of 55 miles per hour. OP thread title fail.

Last Mile Delivery: Costs, Definition & How to Optimize | OptimoRoute

What Is Last Mile Delivery? Last mile delivery, also known as last mile logistics, is the transportation of goods from a distribution hub to the final delivery destination — the door of the customer. The goal of last mile delivery logistics is to deliver the packages as affordably, quickly and...

optimoroute.com

 

[Grand Mal]

Bruh, next gen? How do you get 8.6 mpg with a current engine. My dad's freightliner truck gets more than that.

Delivery vehicles are always stopping and starting. Your dad's Freightliner hums along at a steady 55.
That's probably part of it. Also, the vehicle pictured in the article looks like it was deliberately designed to be an aerodynamic disaster. Driving a pick-up with the tailgate down has an effect on mileage because of the air-dam it represents when up. Imagine the effect that half-acre vertical windshield has.

 

[Schism]

The Pony Express is outdated, a financial and environmental waste, and is simply delivering landfill material.

The OP is right. The article is spot on. What a a stupid design.

 

[Deuce]

The Pony Express is outdated, a financial and environmental waste, and is simply delivering landfill material.

The OP is right. The article is spot on. What a a stupid design.

Yeah lets make it against the law to send advertisements through the mail.

 

[Schism]

Yeah lets make it against the law to send advertisements through the mail.

^^ This is what a knee-jerk reaction directed at a poster looks like. This is when the person argues against an obvious dumbass idea because they're infatuated with trying to prove a particular person wrong.

I suspect you're smarter and a better person than this, Deuce.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Looks like DeJoy has blown it again.

The USPS doesn’t have to be antiquated- daily delivery is becoming even more important over the last few decades- why do you think FedEx and UPS are so huge?

They are so big because they actually deliver stuff that people want.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Yeah lets make it against the law to send advertisements through the mail.

That is the entire financial model for the postal service. We have a government company where literally over 95% of what it does is deliver stuff that people don't want and didn't ask for.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Smaller delivery trucks and vans average 6.5 miles per gallon (MPG) at a steady speed of 55 miles per hour. OP thread title fail.

Last Mile Delivery: Costs, Definition & How to Optimize | OptimoRoute

What Is Last Mile Delivery? Last mile delivery, also known as last mile logistics, is the transportation of goods from a distribution hub to the final delivery destination — the door of the customer. The goal of last mile delivery logistics is to deliver the packages as affordably, quickly and...

optimoroute.com

You are telling me we cannot have hybrid delivery vehicles? They actually get their best mpg in stop and go. Moreover, the problem is the entire USPS model, not just the fact they want to buy delivery vehicles with poor gas mileage.

 

[aociswundumho]

When you think about it, it's pretty astounding that we pay hundreds of thousands of people, to drive around in hundreds of thousands of pollution belching vehicles to deliver mail that is now over 95% unwanted junk mail, that immediately gets thrown a trash bin or recycle bin, where we pay hundreds of thousands of more people to drive around in pollution belching vehicles to deliver to landfills.

Before it can be delivered to the mailbox, tossed in the trash, and then dumped in the landfill, the junk mail has to be produced:



You also have to add in the emissions from the trucks, logging equipment, paper mills, etc.

for the vast majority of Americans, the USPS as it is today, is a near useless antiquated government service?

To put it in broader terms, the post office costs far more than it's worth, and it that respect, it's just like every other government service.

 

[Threegoofs]

Before it can be delivered to the mailbox, tossed in the trash, and then dumped in the landfill, the junk mail has to be produced:

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You also have to add in the emissions from the trucks, logging equipment, paper mills, etc.



To put it in broader terms, the post office costs far more than it's worth, and it that respect, it's just like every other government service.

The USPS, of course, doesn’t cost the federal government anything, and it’s not a government service.

But facts aren’t really your thing, I know.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The USPS, of course, doesn’t cost the federal government anything, and it’s not a government service.

But facts aren’t really your thing, I know.

True, but it funds itself by delivering junk to people that don't want it. The entire business model of the USPS as it is currently constituted depends upon it delivering junk people don't want, that immediately gets thrown away, to subsidize the 5% of what it does that people do want.

 

[aociswundumho]

The USPS, of course, doesn’t cost the federal government anything, and it’s not a government service.

But facts aren’t really your thing, I know.

It took me a whole 30 seconds to destroy that claim.

USPS has lost $78 billion since 2007 despite receiving billions from taxpayers every year. Democrats still want a bailout.

A new government report shows the severity of the United States Postal Service's poor financial conditions and demonstrates the need for a long-term fix for the agency — not a bailout, as Democrats have suggested. The report, released Thursday by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, found...

keller.house.gov

 

[Threegoofs]

It took me a whole 30 seconds to destroy that claim.

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USPS has lost $78 billion since 2007 despite receiving billions from taxpayers every year. Democrats still want a bailout.

A new government report shows the severity of the United States Postal Service's poor financial conditions and demonstrates the need for a long-term fix for the agency — not a bailout, as Democrats have suggested. The report, released Thursday by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, found...

keller.house.gov

How many references that stated USPS gets no tax dollars did you ignore before you found this unreferenced number?

Was it like the 5th page of your Google search? LOL

 

[aociswundumho]

How many references that stated USPS gets no tax dollars did you ignore before you found this unreferenced number?

Just because people say the same stupid shit over and over doesn't mean it's true.

Without taxpayer dollars the post office would not and could not exist.

 

[Threegoofs]

Just because people say the same stupid shit over and over doesn't mean it's true.

Without taxpayer dollars the post office would not and could not exist.

In other words, you’ll ignore what is true because you found a shitty source that says what you want it to say.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Looks like DeJoy has blown it again.

The USPS doesn’t have to be antiquated- daily delivery is becoming even more important over the last few decades- why do you think FedEx and UPS are so huge?

I don't think you get it. Now the USPS would be a great place to go electric. I have a friend that works for the USPS, and have talked with my rather attractive delivery lady often.

These vehicles remain on for their entire route, 6 or more hours a day, and they only do maybe 15 miles in that six hours. They don't get bad mileage, its just the nature of their usage.

I am surprised the USPS didn't ask Eon Musk if he wanted to design a postal vehicle. Or maybe they did and didn't like the price.

 

[bluesmoke]

You are telling me we cannot have hybrid delivery vehicles? They actually get their best mpg in stop and go. Moreover, the problem is the entire USPS model, not just the fact they want to buy delivery vehicles with poor gas mileage.

What is the avg MPG of a USPS delivery vehicle vs an Amazon vehicle? Or vs the avg delivery vehicle of similar kind?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

What is the avg MPG of a USPS delivery vehicle vs an Amazon vehicle? Or vs the avg delivery vehicle of similar kind?

They have ordered 100,000 electric delivery vehicles. https://www.businessinsider.com/ama...-electric-delivery-vehicles-rivian-2020-2?amp

 

[Glitch]

When you think about it, it's pretty astounding that we pay hundreds of thousands of people, to drive around in hundreds of thousands of pollution belching vehicles to deliver mail that is now over 95% unwanted junk mail, that immediately gets thrown a trash bin or recycle bin, where we pay hundreds of thousands of more people to drive around in pollution belching vehicles to deliver to landfills.

Next-gen USPS mail trucks are only capable of 8.6 mpg, EPA says

It’s claimed the USPS did not consider environmental impacts as required by law.

arstechnica.com

When are we going to recognize that for the vast majority of Americans, the USPS as it is today, is a near useless antiquated government service? I am not saying get rid of it, but the current system that is financed almost entirely by delivering junk mail to serve as a government jobs program is about as absurd of a government program as you could possibly have.

There is no reason to have daily mail delivery for most people. A couple of days a week would be more than sufficient for the average American these days. You can't say "I care about climate change and the environment", and also say "don't touch the postal service".

The USPS doesn't provide services for most of Alaska. Most of Alaska doesn't even have ZIP Codes. If you live outside of the towns/cities, there is no USPS at all. Residents of Sleetmute, for example, have to use Bethel's ZIP Code because they don't have one, and then have their mail flown by private charter to their village because the USPS refuses to provide the services they are being paid via our tax dollars to provide.

While I am supportive of abolishing the USPS altogether, I do recognize that the US Constitution has given Congress the authority to establish post offices and postal roads. So nothing short of an amendment to the US Constitution is going to eliminate the USPS.

Just last month I ended up paying $285 for a one year subscription for a P.O. Box, and I have to drive into town in order to pick up my mail, because the USPS will not deliver to my home. Both FedEx and UPS will deliver to my door, but not the USPS.

I have decided not to renew my P.O. Box subscription after 2022. When I order online it will be only from vendors who ship via FedEx or UPS, and if anyone wants to send me snail-mail it will have to be via General Delivery and they will have to notify me in advance. The USPS have priced themselves out of business as far as I'm concerned and they provide no useful service.

 

[Glitch]

They have ordered 100,000 electric delivery vehicles. https://www.businessinsider.com/ama...-electric-delivery-vehicles-rivian-2020-2?amp

Demonstrating once again that the federal government is the biggest polluter in the nation.

 

[bluesmoke]

They have ordered 100,000 electric delivery vehicles. https://www.businessinsider.com/ama...-electric-delivery-vehicles-rivian-2020-2?amp

BI has a paywall. What is the MPGe of the USPS choice vs the Amazon Rivian? Up until very recently, the USPS was still going with mostly gasoline vehicles.

 

[Lord of Planar]

BI has a paywall. What is the MPGe of the USPS choice vs the Amazon Rivian? Up until very recently, the USPS was still going with mostly gasoline vehicles.

The equivalent MGP for an electric delivery vehicle will hands down, be far better than the gasoline versions.

Remember, these guys are probably running the engine for a minimum 6 hours a day and only traveling 15 to 25 miles.

Its not that they get bad mileage, its that they seldom are moving when the engine is operating.

Try taking your Toyota, drive it for only 25 miles a day but let the engine run for 6 hours a day. See what type of milage you get when you fill the tank.