Newsom proposes constitutional amendment to restrict access to guns

[JMB1911A1]

It seems the US military has a habit of bending the rules doesn't it ?
Two former presidents avoided service in Vietnam thanks to greater influence. Think many residents of Harlem or Brooklyn could avoid service through claiming bone spurs ? How many could avoid going to Vietnam by signing up as a pilot in the Air National Guard ?



Would going after all gun owners who taken illegal drugs, before buying a gun, count as a "witch hunt" ?

Are those goalpost motorized or did you have to do the wheels?

And how many residents of Arkansas got a draft deferral to go to Oxford, promised to sign up for ROTC and then reneged (Clinton).

Joe Biden got five draft deferrals for “asthma”. Never seen him use an inhaler.

BTW, the F-102 that W flew was only used in Vietnam for a short period. He volunteered but they were only sending experienced pilots. It was also one of the deadliest planes in the US inventory at the time. 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours. For example, compare the F-16 at 4.14, the F-15 at 2.47, the F-117 at 4.07, the S-3 at 2.6, and the F-18 at 4.9. Even the Marine Corps' AV-8B, regarded as the most dangerous aircraft in US service today, has a lifetime accident rate of only 11.44 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours. Such accidents were commonplace even under peacetime conditions given the inherent risk to a pilot's life during any flight aboard a high-performance military jet. ANG members of the period who we've been able to locate indicate that only highly qualified pilot candidates were accepted for Delta Dagger training because it was such a challenging aircraft to fly and left little room for mistakes.

 

[Rich2018]

Are those goalpost motorized or did you have to do the wheels?

What goal posts
Where do you see the parameters to this debate ?

And how many residents of Arkansas got a draft deferral to go to Oxford, promised to sign up for ROTC and then reneged (Clinton).

QED: the military do seem to have different rules for different people
How many working class kids with no money got college deferments ?

Joe Biden got five draft deferrals for “asthma”. Never seen him use an inhaler.

Might it be because he was from a wealthy family - like Trump or Bush ?

BTW, the F-102 that W flew was only used in Vietnam for a short period. He volunteered but they were only sending experienced pilots....

If he really wanted to go, he wouldn't have signed up for the Air National Guard would he ?

 

[Fledermaus]

What goal posts
Where do you see the parameters to this debate ?



QED: the military do seem to have different rules for different people
How many working class kids with no money got college deferments ?



Might it be because he was from a wealthy family - like Trump or Bush ?



If he really wanted to go, he wouldn't have signed up for the Air National Guard would he ?

Why do military veterans trigger you?

 

[mrjurrs]

Is that supposed to represent a rebuttal argument of anything I said and you quoted?



They were written to explain the extents of the proposed grant of powers to the federal government if the Constitution was ratified. They are a little more than "interesting" which is why they are used to understand original intent by SCOTUS.



What evidence could you present that I have rejected any part of any of the Federalist Papers?

Do you accept any part of any Federalist Paper as instructional?

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Yes. Enforcement power belongs to the executive branch, not the people.

Yes the Federalist Papers are an interesting look at the thoughts of important figures prior to the Constitution. They are biased and spin in a single direction. As such, they mean nothing more in our current Constitutional Republic than Paine's Common Sense imo.

 

[mrjurrs]

I cite and quote the original sources and state clearly what I believe they say and how that informs the law.

Where is your evidence to allow you to "suggest" that I "pick and choose" interpretations; what basis do you use to accuse me of cherry-picking? I clearly cite and quote my sources; if you interpret them differently, by all means, offer that alternate interpretation and be sure to cite any sources you feel support your interpretation . . . That's how debate works.

Nothing is stopping you from composing an oppositional "interpretation" of the sources I cite, nor are you hindered in providing a different verifiable original source that you feel conflicts with what I cite and/or rebuts any argument I make . . . Make your case; bald claims or worse, bald accusations of duplicity are the tools of the ignorant loudmouth who only desires to be a contrarian, offering nothing to the debate.

This passive aggressive whining without any support has zero significance. I honestly understand that your anti-liberty politics forces you to vehemently disagree with much of what I say about the Constitution and the law but your empty attacks on my arguments without any support and apparently, no ability to formulate an actual rebuttal (conversing in original sources) are quite impotent and pathetic.

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You cite and source the 'parts' that you want. For example, claiming the Necessary and Proper was one thing based on a partial quote of the clause. The majority of your posts have not included cites or sources.

Anti-liberty politics? Take your thumb...now spin

 

[mrjurrs]

We're making examples of what gun laws would look like if guns were regulated like cars. I read your link and don't see how it's an example of guns being regulated like cars. Please explain.

You do realize that what the shooter did is illegal, right? You're using that link as an example of a law you would like changed but it's already against the law. Even in Texas, that is illegal.

The claim that these guns are only used on private property and would be exempt from registration licensing and insurance because they are only used on private property.

 

[Rich2018]

The claim that these guns are only used on private property and would be exempt from registration licensing and insurance because they are only used on private property.

But if you restricted the bearing of arms to private property (not a bad idea Btw), why wouldn't you want to register them ?

 

[Fledermaus]

But if you restricted the bearing of arms to private property (not a bad idea Btw), why wouldn't you want to register them ?

Because I don't want to.

 

[Chillfolks]

But if you restricted the bearing of arms to private property (not a bad idea Btw), why wouldn't you want to register them ?

There would be no need to

 

[mrjurrs]

But if you restricted the bearing of arms to private property (not a bad idea Btw), why wouldn't you want to register them ?

I would. The response is from gun lovers that try to make the point they don't have to register cars on private property.

I would be completely in favor of restricting guns to private property.

 

[Rucker61]

I would. The response is from gun lovers that try to make the point they don't have to register cars on private property.

I would be completely in favor of restricting guns to private property.

How would that make us safer?

 

[JMB1911A1]

How would that make us safer?

What is it with anti-gunners thinking that criminals will obey laws?

 

[Maidenrules29]

So weapons in common use for lawful purposes are protected by the Second Amendment. Weapons that are dangerous and unusual may be banned, but while any firearm can be dangerous to some degree, AR15s are certainly NOT unusual.
AR15s are in common use for lawful purposes and they are certainly suitable for militia use, so they are protected by the Second Amendment and laws banning them are unconstitutional.

Thank you. Some people need to get this through their thick skulls.....

 

[Maidenrules29]

I would be completely in favor of restricting guns to private property.

LMFAO. Must be nice to live in rainbows and unicorns land. Can I come visit?

 

[Rich2018]

There would be no need to

Yes there would and there is

It'll help to resolve crime by providing an audit trail as well as making people think twice about using a gun that's registered to them.

 

[Rich2018]

He lied on the question about use of illegal drugs. We know that he used illegal drugs since he was administratively separated from the United States Navy Reserve after testing positive for cocaine on his first drill weekend,

Well he's just been charged with two misdemeanour tax crimes and admit to illegally possessing a gun while a drug user, after a five-year investigation.

Hunter Biden to plead guilty to tax crimes and admit gun offence

President Biden's son is set to plead guilty to tax crimes and admit owning a gun while a drug user.

www.bbc.com

 

[Chillfolks]

Yes there would and there is

It'll help to resolve crime by providing an audit trail as well as making people think twice about using a gun that's registered to them.

If it’s on their property and never leaves there would be no trail to audit.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Well he's just been charged with two misdemeanour tax crimes and admit to illegally possessing a gun while a drug user, after a five-year investigation.

Hunter Biden to plead guilty to tax crimes and admit gun offence

President Biden's son is set to plead guilty to tax crimes and admit owning a gun while a drug user.

www.bbc.com

So, I guess that puts to bed the idea that he was boasting in his book. Of course, he seems to be getting a sweetheart deal compared to most people who are prosecuted for lying on a 4473.

Federal Prosecutors Aggressively Pursuing Those Who Lie in Connection With Firearm Transactions | ATF

OKLAHOMA CITY — The Western District of Oklahoma is aggressively seeking to keep firearms out of the wrong hands by pursuing those who lie in connection with gun purchases. Several recent cases charged in federal court highlight these efforts.

www.atf.gov

 

[Chillfolks]

So, I guess that puts to bed the idea that he was boasting in his book. Of course, he seems to be getting a sweetheart deal compared to most people who are prosecuted for lying on a 4473.

Federal Prosecutors Aggressively Pursuing Those Who Lie in Connection With Firearm Transactions | ATF

OKLAHOMA CITY — The Western District of Oklahoma is aggressively seeking to keep firearms out of the wrong hands by pursuing those who lie in connection with gun purchases. Several recent cases charged in federal court highlight these efforts.

www.atf.gov

White and wealthy has its privileges

 

[CLAX1911]

Nobody is proposing that your son's pistol be taken away. Plenty of gun owners support strong gun control. i'm one of them .

It could take as long as A generation or 2. Or,. It could take just a couple years, if young people would just start voting.

Very few people especially not gun owners support gun control it is unpopular that's why politicians don't run on that they won't get elected

 

[CLAX1911]

The claim that these guns are only used on private property and would be exempt from registration licensing and insurance because they are only used on private property.

They're not exempt from licensing the second amendment licenses them. The only purpose of registration is confiscation so that must be resisted.

 

[ttwtt78640]

They're not exempt from licensing the second amendment licenses them. The only purpose of registration is confiscation so that must be resisted.

Secondary purposes of gun registration include regulation of ‘features’, requiring ‘liability’ insurance (you can’t register a motor vehicle without it) and, of course, a new source of additional revenue.

 

[CLAX1911]

Secondary purposes of gun registration include regulation of ‘features’, requiring ‘liability’ insurance (you can’t register a motor vehicle without it) and, of course, a new source of additional revenue.

I'm sorry what you said here is registration is there just to confiscate firearms. If you don't purchase insurance and you have a registered firearm does it get confiscated? If you have some feature that some politician arbitrarily decides you shouldn't have for no reason does your firearm then get confiscated?

You said precisely what I said the only purpose for registration is confiscation

You don't have to register a vehicle if you don't operate it on the roadway all traffic was refer to roadway that's it.

The purpose for registering a vehicle and so that they can make it sure that it's safe to operate on the roadway.

There is no equivalent to the roadway with firearms

 

[Rich2018]

If it’s on their property and never leaves there would be no trail to audit.

Yes there would. From manufacturer, to retailer, to owner. And to every subsequent owner.

 

[Rich2018]

So, I guess that puts to bed the idea that he was boasting in his book. Of course, he seems to be getting a sweetheart deal compared to most people who are prosecuted for lying on a 4473.

Federal Prosecutors Aggressively Pursuing Those Who Lie in Connection With Firearm Transactions | ATF

OKLAHOMA CITY — The Western District of Oklahoma is aggressively seeking to keep firearms out of the wrong hands by pursuing those who lie in connection with gun purchases. Several recent cases charged in federal court highlight these efforts.

www.atf.gov

Why, what do most people get charged with
AFAIK, prosecutions for this offense are extremely rare.