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I am talking about Gulf War ! when we knowingly bombed electrical plants and water treatment facilities that supplied potable water to the citizens that resulted in the deaths of 100,000 civilians, doubled the infant mortality rate, and was one of the reasons for the terrorists retaliation attack on 9/11.
My son was there and left the Air Force after 13 years service due to our inhumane treatment of the Iraqi people.
:lol: thank me very much. although i remember we took out some powerplants that powered thier anti aircraft systems. I dont recall hitting any water treatment facilities. Making it up again? Que dailykos or prison planet links? :lol:
From the Defense Intelligence Agency ~
""IRAQ WATER TREATMENT VULNERABILITIES"
U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency document of 28 key judgments, from the 2nd day of the Gulf War, available through the Department of Defense GulfLINK declassification project. For the full document, click here. For related documents, see The Secret Behind the Sanctions, How the U.S. Intentionally Destroyed Iraq's Water Supply | The Progressive. Excerpts (emphasis added):
FM: DIA WASHINGTON DC
TO: CENTCOM
INFO: CENTAF; UK STRIKE COMMAND; MARCENT; 18 ABC; NAVCENT; SOCCENT; 7TH CORPS; ANKARA
SUBJECT: IRAQ WATER TREATMMENT VULNERABILITIES (U)
AS OF 18 JAN 91 KEY JUDGMENTS.
1. IRAO DEPENDS ON IMPORTING-SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT-AND SOME CHEMICALS TO PURIFY ITS WATER SUPPLY, MOST OF WHICH IS HEAVILY MINERALIZED AND FREQUENTLY BRACKISH TO SALINE.
2. WITH NO DOMESTIC SOURCES OF BOTH WATER TREATMENT REPLACEMENT PARTS AND SOME ESSENTIAL CHEMICALS, IRAO WILL CONTINUE ATTEMPTS TO CIRCUMVENT UNITED NATIONS SANCTIONS TO IMPORT THESE VITAL COMMODITIES.
3. FAILING TO SECURE SUPPLIES WILL RESULT IN A SHORTAGE OF PURE DRINKING WATER FOR MUCH OF THE POPULATION. THIS COULD LEAD TO INCREASED INCIDENCES, IF NOT EPIDEMICS, OF DISEASE....
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28. THE ENTIRE IRAOI WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM WILL NOT COLLAPSE PRECIPITOUSLY.... FULL DEGRADATION OF THE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM PROBABLY WILL TAKE AT LEAST ANOTHER 6 MONTHS."
"Articles from USAF Air & Space Power Journal (1995, 2001)
"Bombing Dual-Use Targets: Legal, Ethical, and Doctrinal Perspectives" by Kenneth R. Rizer, Air & Space Power Chronicles, May 1, 2001, Bombing Dual-Use Targets: Legal, Ethical, and Doctrinal Perspectives.
"The Enemy as a System" by Colonel John A. Warden III, USAF, published in Airpower Journal, Spring 1995, The Enemy as a System.
Air & Space Power Journal is a publication of the United States Air Force (USAF) and focuses on the operational level of war and strategy/policy issues. Air & Space Power Chronicles is a related forum with a wider focus.
Excerpt from Rizer's "Bombing of Dual-Use Targets":
"A key example of such dual-use targeting was the destruction of Iraqi electrical power facilities in Desert Storm. While crippling Iraq's military command and control capability, destruction of these facilities shut down water purification and sewage treatment plants. As a result, epidemics of gastroenteritis, cholera, and typhoid broke out, leading to perhaps as many as 100,000 civilian deaths and a doubling of the infant mortality rate."
Citizens Concerned for the People of Iraq
So his concience took him 13 years? It was probably best he separated. Yellow does not look good in uniform. :shrug:
I am talking about Gulf War ! when we knowingly bombed electrical plants and water treatment facilities that supplied potable water to the citizens that resulted in the deaths of 100,000 civilians, doubled the infant mortality rate, and was one of the reasons for the terrorists retaliation attack on 9/11.
My son was there and left the Air Force after 13 years service due to our inhumane treatment of the Iraqi people.
Of course not. Just our attack that resulted in 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths was not justified.
The ends do not justify the means, no matter what flag you are flying.
Knowing what we know now, I don't know how I would have voted to invade or not invade Iraq this last go round. The USA may be worse off, but I am convinced that presently the Iraqi people are NOT worse off because we did.
I believe we should have gone in well before we did. Hussein did a lot of nasties - trust that his own people did not hang him for nothing.
He was at his murderous worst when we supported him and Rumsfeld was over shaking hands with him. Oh but that was when he still allowed US oil in Iraq.
He invaded and brutalized Kuwait,
After Kuwait had drilled into their oil fields, no concern of ours except to the threat of our oil spigots in Kuwait.
and was responsible for training and arming many terrorists, who he harbored in Iraq before and after 9/11.
The Pentagon determined their was no al-Qaeda/Iraq connection.
Here's a little read for you to get an idea of just how bad the iraqis needed to be liberated from the tyranny they were under - it was written before we went in, and we all know it turned out to be much worse than they ever thought when many, many - too many - mass graves and tourture facilities were discovered:
Had nothing to do with our invasion and occupation since that behavior was not a problem for us when our oil companies were allowed there.
DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 — surely a gross exaggeration — but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.
Easy for you to say. Your country was not invaded and occupied.
If our puppet government there cannot stand against its own people without our continued occupation, what exactly is it we won worth tens of thousands of civilian deaths brought about by our invasion?
Stop loss orders would not have used for so many troops if there were more support for the war on terror.
How much oil do you think those deaths are worth? What is the proper blood for oil ratio?
See, this is the problem with arguing with liberals. Generally you are all over the place here....
New York trial for alleged 9/11 mastermind - Times Online
Interesting, they will be tried under a civilian court, I wonder if evidence obtained through questionable means will be dismissed
They should ivestigate all their connections to see if the CIA lured these willing attackers onto the planes that may have been remotely operated to control hitting precise targets?
See, this is the problem with arguing with liberals. Generally you are all over the place here. You come up with a 100K number, and when you know you are about to be called on using faulty Lancet numbers to form your outrageous claim, then you say 'Well, I wasn't talking about now, I was talking about Gulf I'.
The numbers I quoted were from Iraq Body Count that you thought were from Lancet.
In Gulf I, although we had some units in country, we were there to liberate Kuwait, and we succeeded.
We were there to protect our oil spigots, and we succeeded.
Even though we had forces that knew where Saddam, and his murderous sons were, and were biting at the chance to take them out, they were told to back off. I know because I had one of my best friends in the 101st, begging his commander to let them go and get him.
Right because we bombed them back a century, which is how long it would be before they could threaten our spigots in Kuwait again. Not to mention the 100,000 innocent civilians we killed.
We stuck to U.N. mandates just like you libs always want, and sold out the Iraqi people that stood up to Saddam watching them be slaughtered while we left. But that's all good with libs like you isn't it? Because Saddam slaughtering his people, was our fault too right?
We were his ally when he was at his murderous worst. But that was before he kicked the US oil companies out of Iraq.
In reading your words I am left wondering who you support? are you ba'athist? A fundamental non understanding of how conventional warfare works is both apparent, and sad in your postings.
I am a humanist, I oppose terrorist actions no matter the flag. I don't believe that the ends justify the means like the Islamic and Christian extremists believe.
Yes, liberals were very good at propaganda aimed at weakening our defenses....You should be proud that you may the the "enemy within" that so many talk about over the centuries that brings down great countries like ours.
That's right from Hermann Goering's playbook ~ "the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
Sure, we need oil, and that is why we pay for oil
Including the cost of innocent civilian's blood through the Middle East wars to insure our spigots cannot be turned off or sabotaged.
You never did give me your blood for oil formula. How many innocent civilians do you think our oil under their sand is worth?
Tom Jones,
You must CITE your SOURCES
Including the cost of innocent civilian's blood through the Middle East wars to insure our spigots cannot be turned off or sabotaged.
You never did give me your blood for oil formula. How many innocent civilians do you think our oil under their sand is worth?
Screw you and the innocent civillian bit -
Our killing of 100,000 innocent civilians in Iraq is one of the reasons the terrorists killed 3,000 of ours. See how that works!
Our chickens came home to roost!
If the U. S. was that hardup for oil we would find alternatives, and then where would those countries be if they couldn't sell it to us?
We were warned to do that 35 years ago, but apparently we have not evolved to a point where we understand that we shouldn't **** in our house so to speak. China is fast overtaking the US in demand for oil. They would simply sell to China and other countries. They do not need us.
We have lots of oil reserves and we certainly can build nuke plants.
Bull****, we haven't been able to produce enough of our own oil to meet our needs since the 70's and we were too stupid to begin to develop renewable sources when we were warned 35 years ago.
We have the brains and resources, and if we put it to work............ consider it done.
You would think so but the last 35 years of using Middle East wars instead of developing a real energy plan would indicate not.
U. S. buying oil from the Middle East can end real quick.
Nothing would make me happier! Let's do it! I'm with you there!
It is not what we are about - we want good nations, the nations of the Middle East, the people of the Middle East, to prosper first and add to the goodness of our world.
:rofl Do you even believe the BS you just spouted!
If people choose to be intolerrant of others, then those people will go by way of Hiltler's Nazism - obsolete - null and void - bad history and a disgrace to their people.
Yep, that is why I suggest we start acting in a more moral fashion than the terrorists.
our allies are going to make sure our world is free of intolerable tyranny.
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That would be very bad news for America if they do!
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