New York to LA Ramp Up Security After US Airstrikes on Iran

[dobieg]

Mental health responders would be a huge improvement. Police shouldn't have to deal with them. Prison has become the default solution to mental illness costing a fortune.

There's a reason not many people trust Democrats to keep us safe.

 

[MamboDervish]

There's a reason not many people trust Democrats to keep us safe.

Is it FOX News?

 

[Ahlevah]

What kind of horseshit response is this? YOU are the one who brought up Iran's nickname for the US - "The Great Satan". Where did you think that came from? Watching a bad Farsi translation of "The Exorcist" ??!!??

Get a clue. The answer is Iran’s autocratic leadership. Average Iranians don’t “hate America” or buy into the “Great Satan” nonsense. That’s only believed by gullible people receptive to the regime’s internal propaganda.

So what? Kohmeini was born in 1902. If you have a point, you have yet to make it.

Like I said, get a clue.

We should follow the Powell Doctrine before launching any preemptive military attacks, against any sovereign state, anywhere in the world.

Who elected Colin Powell president? Besides, what aspect of the doctrine wasn’t met, and should they all be given equal weight? I’ll give you an opportunity to contemplate what appears to be a long-lost Jackson Pollock masterpiece while you think about those questions, then I’ll get back to you:

 

[MamboDervish]

Get a clue. The answer is Iran’s autocratic leadership. ...

.... who came to power in the wake of the West's FAILED efforts to replace their democratically elected leader with the remnants of their previous monarchy. DUH! Get a clue.

Average Iranians don’t “hate America” or buy into the “Great Satan” nonsense. That’s only believed by gullible people receptive to the regime’s internal propaganda.

Yeah. So what? Who said everyone in Iran has to believe we are the "Great Satan"?? I certainly didn't. But the fact is that it has been a useful, functional and undeniable meme for Iranian Theocracy, based on our overthrow of their government, for generations already. Your imaginary revisionist history doesn't erase that. Iranians are taught their country's history just as Americans are taught ours. In fact, even more so, because their history goes back thousands of years, whereas ours only a few hundred. They know what Britain and America did to them.

Like I said, get a clue.

As if you have one. I have yet to see any evidence that you do.

Who elected Colin Powell president?

Nobody.

Besides, what aspect of the doctrine wasn’t met, and should they all be given equal weight?

If you don't understand the consequences of not following them all, then you simply have yet to come to terms with the obvious reasons for our foreign policy failures over the past 60 years. Learn US history. Get a clue.

I’ll give you an opportunity to contemplate what appears to be a long-lost Jackson Pollock masterpiece while you think about those questions, then I’ll get back to you:

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It is hard to imagine a less artful dodge than that. Predictably, your argument, if you ever had one, has thinned out to less than parts-per-billion. If the solution to pollution is dilution, then nobody need worry about your toxic take on this subject. Perhaps you should ponder Pointillism.


(I SLAY ME!)

 

[Ahlevah]

.... who came to power in the wake of the West's FAILED efforts to replace their democratically elected leader with the remnants of their previous monarchy. DUH! Get a clue.

Democratically elected leader? Like the Grand Ayatollah who, in a violent revolution, derailed Iran’s progress towards becoming a vibrant, Western-oriented secular state into an Islamist theocratic hellhole that hangs gay people in public squares from construction cranes?

Yeah. So what? Who said everyone in Iran has to believe we are the "Great Satan"?? I certainly didn't. But the fact is that it has been a useful, functional and undeniable meme for Iranian Theocracy, based on our overthrow of their government, for generations already. Your imaginary revisionist history doesn't erase that. Iranians are taught their country's history just as Americans are taught ours. In fact, even more so, because their history goes back thousands of years, whereas ours only a few hundred. They know what Britain and America did to them.

Iranians are taught a bastardized version of history, one where everything bad about their lives can be placed at the feet of the “Great Satan” and Israel.

If you don't understand the consequences of not following them all, then you simply have yet to come to terms with the obvious reasons for our foreign policy failures over the past 60 years. Learn US history. Get a clue.

How about the consequences of placing the President of the United States and the future of our county and its people into a foreign-policy straitjacket? If, for example, the president makes a determination that a terrorist state like Iran possessing nuclear weapons is a non-starter, should we make removing that threat contingent upon achieving a broad international consensus? Preferably, yes, but absolutely? I think not.

It is hard to imagine a less artful dodge than that. Predictably, your argument, if you ever had one, has thinned out to less than parts-per-billion. If the solution to pollution is dilution, then nobody need worry about your toxic take on this subject. Perhaps you should ponder Pointillism.


(I SLAY ME!)

Whatever, dude. I prefer pondering the “Pollock.” A framed print of it would make a beautiful addition to any living room. Here it is again for your enjoyment:

 

[MamboDervish]

Democratically elected leader? Like the Grand Ayatollah who,

.... NO! Like Mohammad Mosaddegh. If you're going to argue your revisionist history with me, you must promise to pay better attention to what I write. Otherwise .....

in a violent revolution, derailed Iran’s progress towards becoming a vibrant, Western-oriented secular state into an Islamist theocratic hellhole that hangs gay people in public squares from construction cranes?

Iranians are taught a bastardized version of history, one where everything bad about their lives can be placed at the feet of the “Great Satan” and Israel.

Now you're making MY point !!! I hope you didn't give yourself whiplash with that turnaround. Try not to auger yourself into the ground.

How about the consequences of placing the President of the United States and the future of our county and its people into a foreign-policy straitjacket? If, for example, the president makes a determination that a terrorist state like Iran possessing nuclear weapons is a non-starter, should we make removing that threat contingent upon achieving a broad international consensus? Preferably, yes, but absolutely? I think not.



Whatever, dude. I prefer pondering the “Pollock.” A framed print of it would make a beautiful addition to any living room. Here it is again for your enjoyment:

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.. meh .... whatever ....

 

[Metric Mouse]

"Bloomberg) -- Major US cities are tightening security after President Donald Trump unleashed airstrikes on Iran, a direct military intervention that’s deepened Washington’s role in Israel’s war with Tehran and raised concerns about potential retaliation.

Iran early Sunday warned that the US attack, dubbed “Operation Midnight Hammer” by the Pentagon, will trigger “everlasting consequences” and said it “reserves all options” to respond.

Police in New York, Washington, DC, and Los Angeles have increased patrols at religious institutions, diplomatic facilities and public spaces. Officials cited no credible threats at this time but highlighted the need for vigilance."

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Noticing that pretty much everything Trump does calls for more law enforcement, more checks on people, more suspicion.

Typical authoritarian behavior.

LA and New York will use any excuse to shoot more people...

 

[j brown's body]

LA and New York will use any excuse to shoot more people...

Tuat certainly isn't exclusive to NY and LA cops.

 

[Ahlevah]

.... NO! Like Mohammad Mosaddegh. If you're going to argue your revisionist history with me, you must promise to pay better attention to what I write. Otherwise .....

I realized that. I presumed you weren’t a bot and would be able make a simple inference. I was referring to the particular irony of justifying or explaining the substitution of one autocrat with a worse one because the first autocrat deposed a supposed democrat.

Now you're making MY point !!! I hope you didn't give yourself whiplash with that turnaround. Try not to auger yourself into the ground.

Correct me if I’m mistaken, but your point was we are now involved in an “another war” because Trump bombed Iran. My point was we’ve been in a war with Iran going back to the founding of the Islamic Republic and the storming of our embassy in 1979. It’s not because of our actions, but theirs. Our government stopped blaming the Japanese for the bombing of Pearl Harbor on or about August 15th, 1945, when they surrendered. Iran’s current government is in its fifth decade of blaming the United States for whatever sins it presumably committed.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Tuat certainly isn't exclusive to NY and LA cops.

Of course.

But it is their specialty.

Literally the national guard would do better in these cities, considering how often and with such abandon they shoot their own citizens.

 

[MamboDervish]

I realized that. I presumed you weren’t a bot and would be able make a simple inference. I was referring to the particular irony of justifying or explaining the substitution of one autocrat with a worse one because the first autocrat deposed a supposed democrat.

... meh ...

Correct me if I’m mistaken, but your point was we are now involved in an “another war” because Trump bombed Iran. My point was we’ve been in a war with Iran going back to the founding of the Islamic Republic and the storming of our embassy in 1979. It’s not because of our actions, but theirs.

And again, no. It IS because of our actions. They blame the US for the overthrow of their government, and the insertion of a west-friendly Monarchy, which promised us that it wouldn't nationalize their oil production as their populist elected president promised he would. Iran's problems with the US predates 1979 by at least 25 years. THAT was my point. And it still is. All of that, and the fact that the US POTUS Bush the Lesser called them part of "an axis of evil" in 2002 certainly didn't help our relations.

Our government stopped blaming the Japanese for the bombing of Pearl Harbor on or about August 15th, 1945, when they surrendered. Iran’s current government is in its fifth decade of blaming the United States for whatever sins it presumably committed.

Fifth decade? Here alone in the US we have people who've been holding the same grudge for losing the Civil War for 5 generations! So much so, in fact, that we're now facing a backlash for removing statues, and the names on forts and ships, of the racist traitors who seceded from the union just to keep their slaves! "The South Shall Rise Again!" So much for 5 decades.

The sons of Abraham - Isaac and Ishmael - have been holding the same Hatfields v. McCoys feud for 4,000 YEARS! Or did you think animosity between Arabs and Jews started in your lifetime? And you think 5 decades is a long time? Seriously? Hatred and resentment are passed down from parents to children for more generations than can even be imagined. It's among the oldest dynamics that make mankind as ****ed up as we are, ... right up there with superstitious religious beliefs. We learn the wrong lessons, and then teach them to our children.

As a footnote, among the greatest ironies of the current situation is that, during the reign of Shah Pahlavi, it was the USA that helped Iran start their nuclear program - and even continued to support it until the '80s.

Nuclear program of Iran - Wikipedia

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[Ahlevah]

And again, no. It IS because of our actions. They blame the US for the overthrow of their government, and the insertion of a west-friendly Monarchy, which promised us that it wouldn't nationalize their oil production as their populist elected president promised he would. Iran's problems with the US predates 1979 by at least 25 years. THAT was my point.

So Iranians substituted the Government from Hell for an autocrat because he deposed a “democrat” with our help. And Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. So what’s the point beyond that? Iran’s government should maintain a perpetual state of warfare for something that happened seven decades ago, especially when they’re worse when it comes to upholding international norms?

And it still is. All of that, and the fact that the US POTUS Bush the Lesser called them part of "an axis of evil" in 2002 certainly didn't help our relations.

Neither did Iranian rockets and roadside bombs through much of the last two decades.

Fifth decade? Here alone in the US we have people who've been holding the same grudge for losing the Civil War for 5 generations! So much so, in fact, that we're now facing a backlash for removing statues, and the names on forts and ships, of the racist traitors who seceded from the union just to keep their slaves! "The South Shall Rise Again!" So much for 5 decades.

No, the war stopped because the U.S. government burned, starved, and pillaged its way across the South, something akin to what we call in modern-day parlance “total war.” Bebe Netanyahu understands the concept. All things considered, it mostly worked.

The sons of Abraham - Isaac and Ishmael - have been holding the same Hatfields v. McCoys feud for 4,000 YEARS! Or did you think animosity between Arabs and Jews started in your lifetime? And you think 5 decades is a long time? Seriously? Hatred and resentment are passed down from parents to children for more generations than can even be imagined. It's among the oldest dynamics that make mankind as ****ed up as we are, ... right up there with superstitious religious beliefs. We learn the wrong lessons, and then teach them to our children.

Yeah, that’s another thing. Islam, like Christianity, traces its lineage to Abraham (Ibrahim). But the Muslims decided to build a mosque on top the holiest site Judaism, the Temple Mount. Imagine if the Jews had invaded Mecca and decided to put a temple on top of the Grand Mosque.