New York to LA Ramp Up Security After US Airstrikes on Iran

[BirdinHand]

Seems like everything he does results in more policing. Keeping more tabs on more people.

No one is above suspicion

Not to disagree, but living in and now still within close proximity to a major US city?

It’s a different dynamic entirely.

Heightened police and security when there is a corresponding potential threat is welcomed. You’ll see more patrols in subways, more security at major events/games, etc.

It isn’t the same as Trump rolling in the national guard for immigration enforcement, etc. These folks aren’t there to stop and frisk average citizens going about their daily business. They are there for the point of looking for people and activity that seems “out of place”

Two completely different animals.

 

[americanwoman]

No - and it's a waste of time trying to put words on my posts that don't exist there. Don't do it.

But I do think it would be funny for tens-of-thousands of Trump supporters who were stupid enough to buy his phone, to suddenly have their asses burned when it overheats in their back pocket. Considering how he's been burning almost everyone in the country who isn't rich, that would be downright poetic justice.

Of course if you'd prefer to see exploding children in your movie, then you do you.

Oh right, because those ten of thousands of stupid Trump supporters wouldn't hand over their phones to children.

You might want to deny the innocent collateral damage and just imagine it's stupid adults who votes for Trump that will just have a minor burn on their ass but overheated phones, especially ones on fire as you originally wrote, are a danger. Just be careful what you wish for, is all I say.

 

[MamboDervish]

Oh right, because those ten of thousands of stupid Trump supporters wouldn't hand over their phones to children.

You might want to deny the innocent collateral damage and just imagine it's stupid adults who voters for Trump that will just have a minor burn on their ass but overheated phones, especially ones on fire as you originally wrote, are a danger. Just be careful what you wish for, is all I say.

?? WTF. I'm not denying anything. I have merely expressed what I thought would be an amusing movie. YOU are the one who insists on envisioning exploding children. Don't drag me into your fantasies. Check yourself.

 

[The Brad Dad]

"Bloomberg) -- Major US cities are tightening security after President Donald Trump unleashed airstrikes on Iran, a direct military intervention that’s deepened Washington’s role in Israel’s war with Tehran and raised concerns about potential retaliation.

Iran early Sunday warned that the US attack, dubbed “Operation Midnight Hammer” by the Pentagon, will trigger “everlasting consequences” and said it “reserves all options” to respond.

Police in New York, Washington, DC, and Los Angeles have increased patrols at religious institutions, diplomatic facilities and public spaces. Officials cited no credible threats at this time but highlighted the need for vigilance."

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Noticing that pretty much everything Trump does calls for more law enforcement, more checks on people, more suspicion.

Typical authoritarian behavior.

oh my god we're all so much safer now thank god for Israel and trump we get to start summer afraid to travel.

 

[americanwoman]

?? WTF. I'm not denying anything. I have merely expressed what I thought would be an amusing movie. YOU are the one who insists on envisioning exploding children. Don't drag me into your fantasies. Check yourself.

I am just trying to explain the reality of what your amusing movie would include.

Sorry, go back to your fantasy where Trump voters are given this magical phone that catches on fire from an enemy's plot against the United States and no one else is hurt.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Oh right, because those ten of thousands of stupid Trump supporters wouldn't hand over their phones to children.

You might want to deny the innocent collateral damage and just imagine it's stupid adults who votes for Trump that will just have a minor burn on their ass but overheated phones, especially ones on fire as you originally wrote, are a danger. Just be careful what you wish for, is all I say.

Isn't it those same Republicans that are super gleeful at Gaza because all of them are terrorists? I don't want anyone to get hurt but since I"m not god and have no say in other lives I'll always laugh at karma no matter how dark

 

[MamboDervish]

I am just trying to explain the reality of what your amusing movie would include.

No you're not. Let's be clear. You're trying to project what YOUR movie would include - not mine.

Sorry, go back to your fantasy where Trump voters are given this magical phone that catches on fire from an enemy's plot against the United States and no one else is hurt.

Phone batteries catching fire is not magic. It's perfect plausible, and has happened many times before - thus the idea. For all we know, China has already gamed this scenario. Long past time to give up your miserably failed critic of my post. Time for you to go bother somebody else.

 

[Grand Mal]

I wonder if Iran will strategize as Canada did and target red state shipping centers over blue?
Houston, largest in the US
Port of South Louisiana, second
Corpus Christi, third
New Orleans, fifth
Port of Greater Baton Rouge, seventh
Beaumont, eighth

There has long been a concern of a "dirty bomb" being triggered via shipping container with GPS activation.
It's going to be tough to use a Geiger device on every shipping container.

Nuclear weapons delivery system...



Slow but reliable, accurate, effective and impossible to trace.

 

[americanwoman]

No you're not. Let's be clear. You're trying to project what YOUR movie would include - not mine.

Phone batteries catching fire is not magic. It's perfect plausible, and has happened many times before - thus the idea. For all we know, China has already gamed this scenario. Long past time to give up your miserably failed critic of my post. Time for you to go bother somebody else.

Sorry to have offended you but I couldn't help but think of the innocents, on every side, who pay the price when terrorists attack and use tactics such as phones catching on fire.

 

[TangoNoCash]

War is peace. Or something.

 

[CaughtInThe]

We should all stick together then and not wish anything on anyone else.

I literally said that I pray that we're not attacked.

Now, terrorists are creative and evil governments can hit us (or anyone) in ways that we don't even think about.

Did you think they would use our own planes against us? Did you think (someone evil) like the Tylenol murderer would kill people that way? Did anyone think Washington would move his army across a river on Christmas night to attack drunk enemy soldiers during the winter?

Point is, every country is vulnerable in a million ways and any evil person/terrorist/government can attack in countless ways that people can't anticipate and sometimes it's a statement. Hell, the Twin Towers were a specific statement.

 

[MTAtech]

As opposed to idiot leftists who think defunding the police in lieu of mental health responders and cashless bonds is a better alternative to a heavier law enforcement presence.

You bought into right-wing BS. Defunding the police was an awful slogan for what is was, moving introduction of mentally ill people from the police to health professionals.

If you are against cashless bail, you are against American values. One of those values is innocence until proven guilty. Nobody should be waiting in jail for months or years until their trial just because they can’t afford bail.

In any case, crime is down in places like NYC after cashless bail was introduced.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwLGRctleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHnl-WaPDhJ9gBY9EHrJFmlnS2VeGBNeTcyTgMD4ePzxgvKZ08pKcfwYWWKz3_aem_YNKoKGNlF7l6eXwm-rwfKg

Murders are down 85% over a 32 year period. All other crimes are down too.

 

[MamboDervish]

Sorry to have offended you but I couldn't help but think of the innocents, on every side, who pay the price when terrorists attack and use tactics such as phones catching on fire.

I'm not offended. I merely object to having words and ideas projected onto what I've written that distort my own intentions. My communication skills are above average, and need no augmentation outside my own intended boundaries.

That said, I recognize where you're coming from and believe it to be a place of sincere concern, however misplaced it may be. After all, I was talking about a movie, and speculating what China might be willing to do as revenge against Trump's tariffs - not what we should consider doing.

 

[Ahlevah]

All things considered we are basically in yet another conflict in the Middle East.

Where have you been the last forty-six years? Iran has been at war with “the Great Satan” since 1979. How many Americans are they supposed to kill while hiding behind Western ideals and institutions such as the UN before we say enough?



Democrats such as Joe Biden were so naive. It’s thanks to them and the JCPOA that Iran had the resources to rain terror across the Middle East, including hundreds of attacks directed at U.S. military assets in the region by Iranian proxies. Enough of this shit. Israel and the U.S. are doing exactly what they should have done decades ago.

 

[Grand Mal]

Where have you been the last forty-six years? Iran has been at war with “the Great Satan” since 1979. How many Americans are they supposed to kill while hiding behind Western ideals and institutions such as the UN before we say enough?



Democrats such as Joe Biden were so naive. It’s thanks to them and the JCPOA that Iran had the resources to rain terror across the Middle East, including hundreds of attacks directed at U.S. military assets in the region by Iranian proxies. Enough of this shit. Israel and the U.S. are doing exactly what they should have done decades ago.

Why does Saudi Arabia get a pass? Why don't you call for retaliation against them?
Those guys who attacked the US on 9/11? They were Saudi Arabians. Osama bin Laden's family is so tight with the House of Saud that his father is practically a prince. All those 'Islamic charities' that are supported by the Saudi royal family, they don't exist to drill wells in poor villages in Mali.
But you guys give SA a pass, treat them as an ally even. Iran's theocracy hangs people for being gay? Saudi Arabia beheads people for sorcery.

 

[MamboDervish]

Where have you been the last forty-six years? Iran has been at war with “the Great Satan” since 1979. How many Americans are they supposed to kill while hiding behind Western ideals and institutions such as the UN before we say enough?

It pays to have a little historical perspective injected here. "The Great Satan" is a moniker the US earned when it overthrew the duly elected Iranian President Mossadegh, and replaced him with an un-elected Monarch, Shah Pahlavi. It was our own actions that spawned the rise of the Ayatollahs, and no surprise that the leaders of that Theocracy would call us that. That action coming back and biting us in the ass is among the best examples in the 20th century of a Result of the Law of Unintended Consequences. And our subsequent actions since the beginning of the 21st century indicate that we have yet to learn the lessons from said law.

Democrats such as Joe Biden were so naive.

No. He was anything but. Trump is naive.

It’s thanks to them and the JCPOA that Iran had the resources to rain terror across the Middle East, including hundreds of attacks directed at U.S. military assets in the region by Iranian proxies. Enough of this shit. Israel and the U.S. are doing exactly what they should have done decades ago.

Bullshit. It's thanks to the moron Trump, who broke our multilateral international agreement, that gave Iran the go-ahead to resume further Uranium enrichment. Now we are where we are - our fingers crossed that Trump might just get lucky and actually manage to clean up his own mess while the world holds its breath.

 

[MamboDervish]

Why does Saudi Arabia get a pass? Why don't you call for retaliation against them?
Those guys who attacked the US on 9/11? They were Saudi Arabians. Osama bin Laden's family is so tight with the House of Saud that his father is practically a prince. All those 'Islamic charities' that are supported by the Saudi royal family, they don't exist to drill wells in poor villages in Mali.
But you guys give SA a pass, treat them as an ally even. Iran's theocracy hangs people for being gay? Saudi Arabia beheads people for sorcery.

And our own president gleefully shakes hands with the crown prince known to be directly responsible for hacking a journalist into pieces with bone saws for having the audacity to criticize the Monarchy of Saudi Arabia, perhaps because he gave Trump's son-in-law TWO BILLION DOLLAR$ to "invest" as he sees fit.



The only truly religious experience Trump has ever had is with MONEY!

 

[Ahlevah]

It pays to have a little historical perspective injected here. "The Great Satan" is a moniker the US earned when it overthrew the duly elected Iranian President Mossadegh, and replaced him with an un-elected Monarch, Shah Pahlavi. It was our own actions that spawned the rise of the Ayatollahs, and no surprise that the leaders of that Theocracy would call us that. That action coming back and biting us in the ass is among the best examples in the 20th century of a Result of the Law of Unintended Consequences. And our subsequent actions since the beginning of the 21st century indicate that we have yet to learn the lessons from said law.

Is that what recent public opinion polls in Iran told you? That “unintended consequences,” including bombing, drone, and rocket attacks on our diplomatic and military facilities, shipping, and personnel, and the kidnapping and murder of our citizens should provide a perpetual state of atonement for sins the U.S. government allegedly committed in the middle of the last century? I think not.

Bullshit. It's thanks to the moron Trump, who broke our multilateral international agreement, that gave Iran the go-ahead to resume further Uranium enrichment.

Remember the Agreed Framework Democrat Bill Clinton negotiated with North Korea and signed in 1994? He said to them just be good little boys and girls, move to normalize relations, and you’ll get oil and food. Remember that? How did that work out? The Obama Plan was to give the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism access to oil markets and funds that it could then use to train, coordinate, and arm proxies who would then murder our citizens and those of one of one of our closest allies. Every year they celebrate taking over our embassy in 1979, chanting “Death to America! Death to Israel!” They’ve developed ballistic missiles that could strike as far away as Southern Europe, and are supplying Putin’s Russia with weapons it uses to murder Ukrainians who’ve never done shit to any Iranian. Great plan: place the fate of your civilization and those of your allies upon the promises and goodwill of evil, murderous thugs who’ve prophesied your destruction while aligning themselves with other nefarious state actors who view you as the enemy. It gets even better when we note that the limit on centrifuges used to enrich uranium would have expired within months.

Now we are where we are - our fingers crossed that Trump might just get lucky and actually manage to clean up his own mess while the world holds its breath.

Yeah, we are where we are, which hopefully is the complete annihilation of this evil regime, or, at least, an end to its ability to meaningfully project its evil across the world. There will never be any real chance for peace in the Middle East as long as it exists.

 

[MamboDervish]

Is that what recent public opinion polls in Iran told you? That “unintended consequences,” including bombing, drone, and rocket attacks on our diplomatic and military facilities, shipping, and personnel, and the kidnapping and murder of our citizens should provide a perpetual state of atonement for sins the U.S. government allegedly committed in the middle of the last century?

What the **** are you talking about? The meaning behind my post should be clear enough to anyone with a command of the English language.

I think not.

We agree on that.

Remember the Agreed Framework Democrat Bill Clinton negotiated with North Korea and signed in 1994? He said to them just be good little boys and girls, move to normalize relations, and you’ll get oil and food. Remember that? How did that work out? The Obama Plan was to give the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism access to oil markets and funds that it could then use to train, coordinate, and arm proxies who would then murder our citizens and those of one of one of our closest allies. Every year they celebrate taking over our embassy in 1979, chanting “Death to America! Death to Israel!” They’ve developed ballistic missiles that could strike as far away as Southern Europe, and are supplying Putin’s Russia with weapons it uses to murder Ukrainians who’ve never done shit to any Iranian. Great plan: place the fate of your civilization and those of your allies upon the promises and goodwill of evil, murderous thugs who’ve prophesied your destruction while aligning themselves with other nefarious state actors who view you as the enemy. It gets even better when we note that the limit on centrifuges used to enrich uranium would have expired within months.

I don't see anything above that rebuts any of the points I made in my post.

Yeah, we are where we are, which hopefully is the complete annihilation of this evil regime, or, at least, an end to its ability to meaningfully project its evil across the world. There will never be any real chance for peace in the Middle East as long as it exists.

Yeah .... maybe. But if you understand the post you are responding to, it is essentially - "been there ... done that".

Once upon a time we engaged in the complete annihilation of an Iranian regime ... and look what it led to. Today's Iran.
Once upon a time we brought about the complete annihilation of Iraq's "evil regime" ... and what did that lead to? Today's Iraq.
Once upon a time we engaged in the complete annihilation of the "evil regime" in Afghanistan ... what was that result? Today's Afghanistan.

Get it? That's what I mean when I refer to America's myopia regarding "the Law of Unintended Consequences". All we can focus on is the nuclear enrichment facility in front of our noses, while we refuse to look at the horizon.

There's a right way and a wrong way to not only affect regime change in the world, but to keep us out of the quagmire, with its staggering losses in American blood and treasure, and America's arrogant ham-handed way simply does not work. How do we know? Because we tried and failed, over and over again. We do not get the results we are looking for, and I have no reason to suspect that Iran will represent any exception to the rule.

IMNSHO, the "right way" to go about these things is strict adherence to the Powell Doctrine. The whole purpose of the Powell Doctrine was to assure that the USA would never again be dragged into a quagmire like we were in Vietnam. But instead of following our own well conceived guidelines with discipline, we go off pell-mell and make the same damn mistakes, over and over again. There was a right way to go after Iran's nukes, but Trump hasn't done it. There's even a right way to go after regime change in Iran, if that were our stated policy, but Trump hasn't the wisdom to do that either.

 

[Ahlevah]

Why does Saudi Arabia get a pass? Why don't you call for retaliation against them?

Are things always that simple to you? Should the U.S. “get a pass” for the murderous thugs it’s supported over the years, like Stalin? How about American business leaders who maintained cordial relations with Nazi Germany even after the onset of WWII? Do we get a pass for dropping nukes and incendiaries on hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children? In 1987, Ronald Reagan invited a council of Afghan mujahideen to the Roosevelt Room of the White House, where he praised them as freedom fighters. Muhammad Yunus Khalis, who maintained a close alliance with Jalaluddin Haqqani and supported the Taliban through the ‘90s, was asked to make a short statement. Does Reagan get a pass for being a poor judge of character?

Those guys who attacked the US on 9/11? They were Saudi Arabians. Osama bin Laden's family is so tight with the House of Saud that his father is practically a prince. All those 'Islamic charities' that are supported by the Saudi royal family, they don't exist to drill wells in poor villages in Mali.
But you guys give SA a pass, treat them as an ally even. Iran's theocracy hangs people for being gay? Saudi Arabia beheads people for sorcery.

Yeah, they did, and it’s even possible they had support from people who worked within the Saudi government. BUT that government is not the threat to the United States and its allies that Iran’s government has been for decades. But that could change, and would be a disaster if Iran’s zeal to acquire nuclear weapons initiates a new arms race among governments in the region with autocratic tendencies, including Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

 

[Ahlevah]

What the **** are you talking about? The meaning behind my post should be clear enough to anyone with a command of the English language.

Didn’t you claim Iran is punishing us for past deeds? What you didn’t say is how you know this. By osmosis? A Vulcan mind meld with the Supreme Leader? How do you know it isn’t ever so much bullshit designed to maintain a sort of “Wag the Dog” control over the populace by invoking the U.S. bogeyman? It wouldn’t be the first time an autocratic government did that. Most Americans weren’t even born yet when the Shah was returned to power in 1953.

There's a right way and a wrong way to not only affect regime change in the world, but to keep us out of the quagmire, with its staggering losses in American blood and treasure, and America's arrogant ham-handed way simply does not work. How do we know? Because we tried and failed, over and over again. We do not get the results we are looking for, and I have no reason to suspect that Iran will represent any exception to the rule.

Well, we should have learned by now that there is more than one way to skin a cat. WWII taught us that setting clear goals coupled with a steeled determination to prosecute total war can work. The Cold War taught us that a policy of containment coupled with diplomacy and credible military deterrence can work. On the other hand, trying to turn societies with long-embedded tribal and sectarian loyalties into full-fledged democracies can be a challenge. The wars in Syria, Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan should have taught us that. Not everyone is equipped or destined to be a democrat. So for those people who also think it’s a good idea to threaten us after they’ve spent decades attacking us, I’ll settle for a big stick without putting boots on the ground, like Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles coupled with 1,000-pound warheads and 30,000-pound JBU-57s.

 

[j brown's body]

Not to disagree, but living in and now still within close proximity to a major US city?

It’s a different dynamic entirely.

Heightened police and security when there is a corresponding potential threat is welcomed. You’ll see more patrols in subways, more security at major events/games, etc.

It isn’t the same as Trump rolling in the national guard for immigration enforcement, etc. These folks aren’t there to stop and frisk average citizens going about their daily business. They are there for the point of looking for people and activity that seems “out of place”

Two completely different animals.

Its got to start somewhere.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Sort of true, but in this case we have no choice but to lean on law enforcement to deal with a new round of threats we are under.

All things considered we are basically in yet another conflict in the Middle East. Politics aside for a moment on should have or should not have happened, what is done is done and we are going to see a renewed degree of anti-American and anti-western sentiment by a good third of the planet.

It is easy to argue we are now less safe, even if the Trump administration uses this to their advantage for other wants.

WOW


Trump has completely succeeded in taking attention off his monumental failures in just five months of office.

Easy. Start a war.

America will never change.

 

[Fearandloathing]

What the **** are you talking about? The meaning behind my post should be clear enough to anyone with a command of the English language.

We agree on that.

I don't see anything above that rebuts any of the points I made in my post.

Yeah .... maybe. But if you understand the post you are responding to, it is essentially - "been there ... done that".

Once upon a time we engaged in the complete annihilation of an Iranian regime ... and look what it led to. Today's Iran.
Once upon a time we brought about the complete annihilation of Iraq's "evil regime" ... and what did that lead to? Today's Iraq.
Once upon a time we engaged in the complete annihilation of the "evil regime" in Afghanistan ... what was that result? Today's Afghanistan.

Get it? That's what I mean when I refer to America's myopia regarding "the Law of Unintended Consequences". All we can focus on is the nuclear enrichment facility in front of our noses, while we refuse to look at the horizon.

There's a right way and a wrong way to not only affect regime change in the world, but to keep us out of the quagmire, with its staggering losses in American blood and treasure, and America's arrogant ham-handed way simply does not work. How do we know? Because we tried and failed, over and over again. We do not get the results we are looking for, and I have no reason to suspect that Iran will represent any exception to the rule.

IMNSHO, the "right way" to go about these things is strict adherence to the Powell Doctrine. The whole purpose of the Powell Doctrine was to assure that the USA would never again be dragged into a quagmire like we were in Vietnam. But instead of following our own well conceived guidelines with discipline, we go off pell-mell and make the same damn mistakes, over and over again. There was a right way to go after Iran's nukes, but Trump hasn't done it. There's even a right way to go after regime change in Iran, if that were our stated policy, but Trump hasn't the wisdom to do that either.

Excellent observation.

In the book 1984, the protagonist is employed constantly changing history, re-writing it as enemies become allies and allies get attacked.

If you read it well, you see that the "wars" are really being fought, but are staged drama for the masses to take their minds off the fact they're starving because of perpetual war. The main character's job is to re-write history and all records every time the enemies change, which is often. He works for the "Ministry of Truth".

It very much forecasts a leader of great power and attraction -- "Big Brother" whose likeness stares down at everyone....a feature of the book I recall when seeing Donnie Darko's portrait - the one scowling at everyone like a disappointed grand father.

 

[MamboDervish]

Didn’t you claim Iran is punishing us for past deeds? What you didn’t say is how you know this. By osmosis? A Vulcan mind meld with the Supreme Leader?

What kind of horseshit response is this? YOU are the one who brought up Iran's nickname for the US - "The Great Satan". Where did you think that came from? Watching a bad Farsi translation of "The Exorcist" ??!!??

How do you know it isn’t ever so much bullshit designed to maintain a sort of “Wag the Dog” control over the populace by invoking the U.S. bogeyman?

Oh PUH-LEEEZE ... the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini first used that expression in 1979 shortly after the overthrow of the Shah. Nobody needs a Vulcan mind meld to make that connection.

It wouldn’t be the first time an autocratic government did that.

Your reach has exceeded your grasp. Now who's claiming a Vulcan mind meld?

Most Americans weren’t even born yet when the Shah was returned to power in 1953.

So what? Kohmeini was born in 1902. If you have a point, you have yet to make it.

Well, we should have learned by now that there is more than one way to skin a cat. WWII taught us that setting clear goals coupled with a steeled determination to prosecute total war can work. The Cold War taught us that a policy of containment coupled with diplomacy and credible military deterrence can work. On the other hand, trying to turn societies with long-embedded tribal and sectarian loyalties into full-fledged democracies can be a challenge. The wars in Syria, Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan should have taught us that. Not everyone is equipped or destined to be a democrat. So for those people who also think it’s a good idea to threaten us, I’ll settle for a big stick without putting boots on the ground, like Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles coupled with 1,000-pound warheads and 30,000-pound JBU-57s.

We should follow the Powell Doctrine before launching any preemptive military attacks, against any sovereign state, anywhere in the world.