New World Translation Curiosities...

[tosca1]

tosca1:

That's incorrect. The Divine name appeared some 7,000 times in the Judeo-Christian Bible in the form know as the Tetragrammaton or the four letters YHWH. I've attached an image of the Tetragrammaton to this post, below.

It is the written name of God......................in HEBREW.
It is how they'd interpreted God's name, in their language.


Exodus 3
13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”



God said, His name is I AM.



The ancient Hebrew language that the Old Testament was written in did not have vowels in its alphabet.
In written form, ancient Hebrew was a consonant-only language.

In the original Hebrew, God’s name transliterates to YHWH (sometimes written in the older style as YHVH).
This is known as the tetragrammaton (meaning “four letters”). Because of the lack of vowels, Bible scholars debate how the tetragrammaton YHWH was pronounced.


Contrary to what some believe, Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel. The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages.
Due to a fear of accidentally taking God’s name in vain (Leviticus 24:16), the Jews basically quit saying it out loud altogether. Instead, when reading Scripture aloud, the Jews substituted the tetragrammaton YHWH with the word Adonai (“Lord”). Even in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), the translators substituted Kurios (“Lord”) for the Divine Name. Eventually, the vowels from Adonai (“Lord”) or Elohim (“God”) found their way in between the consonants of YHWH, thus forming YaHWeH. But this interpolation of vowels does not mean that was how God’s name was originally pronounced. In fact, we aren’t entirely sure if YHWH should have two syllables or three.

So, what is God’s Name, and what does it mean? The most likely choice for how the tetragrammaton was pronounced is “YAH-way,” “YAH-weh,” or something similar. The name Yahweh refers to God’s self-existence. Yahweh is linked to how God described Himself in Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: “I AM has sent me to you.”’” God’s name is a reflection of His being. God is the only self-existent or self-sufficient Being. Only God has life in and of Himself. That is the essential meaning of the tetragrammaton, YHWH.

What is YHWH? What is the tetragrammaton? | GotQuestions.org

What is YHWH? Who is Yahweh? What is the tetragrammaton? Is God’s name Yahweh or Jehovah? Jehova

www.gotquestions.org

Jehovah is the most commonly accepted English translation of the Divine Name. Don't believe me? Look it up online.

The correct pronunciation of the Divine Name has been lost to history because the Jews disobeyed and stopped pronouncing it, true enough.

Keyword: accepted.


Bid difference.

 

[tosca1]

But what's that got to do with the fact that Jehovah made it clear that he wants his name used in speech?

Contrary to what some believe, Jehovah is not the Divine Name revealed to Israel.
The name Jehovah is a product of mixing different words and different alphabets of different languages.

Simply because we don't know the correct pronunciation doesn't change the fact that Almighty God Jehovah said--point blank--that he wants his name known throughout the world? The fact that he had it written in the Bible some 7,000 times--the Bible that he inspired, mind you--that alone should give honest-hearted persons a clue that the pronouncing of God's name, Jehovah, is important to him.

Alter2Ego

God gave His name to Moses.



Exodus 3
13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

 

[tosca1]

tosca1:

A Title cannot be used as a substitute for a personal name; don't you realize that?



New King James Version
And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”


Clearly, Jesus was referring to God's personal name at John 17:6 and 26. And clearly, the "many titles" that you claim God is known by are not equivalent to a personal name, and can never be equivalent to a personal name. Give that some serious thought when you are alone, instead of continuing to thumb your nose at the God's personal name simply because we don't know the correct pronunciation.


Alter2Ego

Context:

Jesus isn't referring to names - as in personal names.
He's talking about Him, being One with GOD.
He is talking about Him, being the image of GOD!
In other words, a referral to the TRINITY!


John 17
6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.
7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you.
8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me.
9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
10 All mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them.
11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.





God the Son is that person of the Trinity which humanity can most easily see and comprehend (Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:3; John 1:1, 14–18).
Jesus underscores that idea here, using a term translated into English as "manifested."
This is from the Greek root word phaneroo, which means "to make something visible, recognizable, or explained, or to declare."
Just as the term used in chapter 1, logos, implies a message or speech, this verse indicates that Jesus represented God in His ministry to the disciples.
Acting "in the name of" someone means to echo their will and their authority (John 12:13; 14:26; 15:21; 16:26).

In this context, "the people whom you gave me out of the world" are these closest followers: the Twelve, also known as the apostles, though one of them chose damnation instead (John 17:12).
Christ has made a point of reminding these men that He chose them (John 6:70; 15:16), they did not come to follow Him by their own inspiration. Those given to Christ are given by God, and they are His.

Jesus was not shy about calling out the disciples for their errors (Matthew 8:26; Mark 8:33; Luke 24:25). And yet, here, He indicates that they have kept God's Word. While all sin is our responsibility (1 Corinthians 10:13), God also knows that we are not perfect (Hebrews 4:16). The same was true of the Twelve: they were fallible, but their trusting commitment to Jesus meant they were sincerely, truly following God.

What does John 17:6 mean? | BibleRef.com

I have revealed Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have followed Your word. - What is the meaning of John 17:6?

www.bibleref.com

 

[tosca1]

tosca1:

A Title cannot be used as a substitute for a personal name; don't you realize that?

Sez who?




Jesus taught us to pray, using the title, FATHER!

How many times does Jesus refer to God as, our Father?





Matthew 6

The Lord's Prayer​

5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others.
Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.


7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


9 Pray then like this:

“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.[a]
10 Your kingdom come,
your will be done,[b]
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread,[c]
12 and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.[d]


14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you,
15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.




If the title, FATHER, is so emphasized that many times in just a short chapter.......................clearly, that's how God wants us to regard and address Him!

 

[tosca1]

tosca1:

A Title cannot be used as a substitute for a personal name; don't you realize that?

Continuation:

We truly, have a loving GOD.





While all the names of God are important in many ways, the name “Abba Father” is one of the most significant names of God in understanding how He relates to people.
The word Abba is an Aramaic word that means “Father.”

It was a common term that expressed affection and confidence and trust.
Abba signifies the close, intimate relationship of a father and his child, as well as the childlike trust that a young child puts in his “daddy.”


Abba is always followed by the word Father in Scripture, and the phrase is found in three passages.
In Mark 14:36, Jesus addresses His Father as “Abba, Father” in His prayer in Gethsemane.
In Romans 8:15, “Abba, Father” is mentioned in relation to the Spirit’s work of adoption that makes us God’s children and heirs with Christ.
In Galatians 4:6, again in the context of adoption, the Spirit in our hearts cries out, “Abba, Father.”

Together, the terms Abba and Father doubly emphasize the fatherhood of God.
In two different languages, we are assured of God’s care for His children.

What does it mean that God is our Abba Father? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean that God is our Abba Father? How is the idea of a loving father a picture of our relationship with God?

www.gotquestions.org

Imho, it makes a difference when we call on GOD our Father - using the word FATHER - and, actually regarding Him, as our Father -

when we beseech or petition Him for something.

 

[Daisy]

The New English Bible:	The name Jehovah appears at Genesis 22:14; Exodus 3:15; 6:3; 17:15; Judges 6:24; Ezekiel 48:35.
Revised Standard Version:	A footnote on Exodus 3:15 says:
	"The word LORD when spelled with capital letters, stands for the divine name, YHWH."
Today's English Version:	A footnote on Exodus 6:3 states: "THE LORD: . . . Where the Hebrew text has Yahweh, traditionally transliterated as Jehovah,
	this translation employs LORD with capital letters, following a usage which is widespread in English versions."
King James Version:	The name Jehovah is found at Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4. See also Genesis 22:14; Exodus 17:15; Judges 6:24.
American Standard Version:	The name Jehovah is used consistently in the Hebrew Scriptures in this translation, beginning with Genesis 2:4.
Douay Version:	A footnote on Exodus 6:3 says: "My name Adonai. The name, which is in the Hebrew text, is that most proper name of God, which signifieth
	his eternal, self-existing being, (Exod. 3, 14, Ex 3:14) which the Jews out of reverence never pronounce; but, instead of it, whenever it occurs in the Bible, they read Adonai, which signifies the Lord; and, therefore, they put the points or vowels, which belong to the name Adonai, to the four letters of that other ineffable name, Jod, He, Vau, He. Hence some moderns have framed the name of Jehovah, unknown to all the ancients, whether Jews or Christians; for the true pronunciation of the name, which is in the Hebrew text, by long disuse is now quite lost."
The Holy Bible translated by
Ronald A. Knox:	The name Yahweh is found in footnotes at Exodus 3:14 and Ex 6:3.
The New American Bible:	A footnote on Exodus 3:14 favors the form "Yahweh," but the name does not appear in the main text of the
	translation. In the Saint Joseph Edition, see also the appendix Bible Dictionary under "Lord" and "Yahweh."
The Jerusalem Bible:	The Tetragrammaton is translated Yahweh, starting with its first occurrence, at Genesis 2:4.
New World Translation:	The name Jehovah is used in both the Hebrew and the Christian Greek Scriptures in this translation, appearing 7,210 times.
An American Translation:	At Exodus 3:15 and Exodus 6:3 the name Yahweh is used, followed by "the LORD" in brackets.
The Bible in Living English,	The name Jehovah is used throughout the Hebrew Scriptures.
S. T. Byington:
The 'Holy Scriptures'	The name Jehovah appears throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, also in many footnotes on Christian Greek
translated by J. N. Darby:	Scripture texts, beginning with Matthew 1:20.
The Emphatic Diaglott,	The name Jehovah is found at Matthew 21:9 and in Matthew 21:17 and other places in this translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures.
Benjamin Wilson:
The Holy Scriptures	At Exodus 6:3 the Hebrew Tetragrammaton appears in the English text.
A New Translation, Jewish Publication Society of America, Max Margolis editor-in-chief: According to the Masoretic Text.
The Holy Bible translated by	The name Jehovah is found throughout the Hebrew Scriptures in this literal translation.
Robert Young:
The Rotherham's Emphasised Bible	Uses the name "Yahweh".

https://www.angelfire.com/ok3/chester/imagedir/bibleinfo.htm

 

[Daisy]

No doubt the scholarly debate will continue as to whether or not we should use Jehovah the name established in the English language.

Most names change to some extent when transferred from one language to another, the pronunciation is slightly different, but we freely use the form that is common in our tongue. The same is true of Bible names such as Eljah from the Hebrew Eliyahu, Jesus was born a Jew, and his name in Hebrew was perhaps pronounced Yeshua, however the inspired writers of the Christian Scriptures did not hesitate to use the Greek form of the name, Iesous.

Some translators favor Yahweh, while others have chosen the name Jehovah a form of the divine name that is adapted to their own language while still clearly identified with what appears in the Hebrew text, and well-known through use. It is disappointing that God's name has been obscured, hidden, diminished in importance, but many Bible translators have shown sincere respect for Gods name and have used it consistently in their work.
https://www.angelfire.com/ok3/chester/imagedir/bibleinfo.htm

 

[Metanoia]

Christians find it much easier to identify with and defend Jesus. In the 4,000 years before Jesus there was a lot of blood on the hands of God……not so much or any because of Jesus. Maybe that is why the NT was called the Gospel….the good news. God’s focus seemed limited to his chosen people the Jews. Why did God wait so long ? Jesus was not a ‘reward’ for the Jews….

 

[tosca1]

A Title cannot be used as a substitute for a personal name; don't you realize that?

John 17:1
Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so that your son may glorify you,

New King James Version
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,


Clearly, Jesus was referring to God's personal name at John 17:6 and 26. And clearly, the "many titles" that you claim God is known by are not equivalent to a personal name, and can never be equivalent to a personal name. Give that some serious thought when you are alone, instead of continuing to thumb your nose at the God's personal name simply because we don't know the correct pronunciation.


Alter2Ego

And yet, Jesus addresses GOD as, "FATHER!"

And, Jesus teaches us to do the same.




Matthew 6

The Lord's Prayer​

5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others.
Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.


7 “And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


9 Pray then like this:

“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.[a]
10 Your kingdom come,
your will be done,[b]
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread,[c]
12 and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.[d]


14 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you,
15 but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.




Count how many times Jesus mentions FATHER! In the context of who GOD IS, to us.
God is OUR FATHER!

That's............................ EMPHASIS!



Unless you're a progressive and call your dad by his first name.......................... you would understand what I mean!
Unless someone is against God as his Father! This isn't about being "cool."
That's how Jesus instructs us how to address GOD.
Jesus - of all people - would know how GOD wants to be addressed!


Aren't we following the teachings of Jesus?
So.......................why the resistance to this teaching?


It makes me think of a movie about how a step-parent feels joy when his/her step-child finally stops calling him/her by his/her first name...................and accepts and calls him "dad" or "mom" in the end.

 

[MamboDervish]

Christians find it much easier to identify with and defend Jesus. In the 4,000 years before Jesus there was a lot of blood on the hands of God……not so much or any because of Jesus. Maybe that is why the NT was called the Gospel….the good news.

?? Yeah .... some good news. The idea of eternal damnation didn't exist until the NT.

God’s focus seemed limited to his chosen people the Jews. Why did God wait so long ?

The better question might be: Why is the "creator of the universe" a racist ?!!?

Jesus was not a ‘reward’ for the Jews….

Indeed! God's "chosen people" got ghosted.

 

[tosca1]

Speaking of curiosities....................

.................I find it a curiosity that those who adhere to the NWT and JW teachings.........those who deny the BIBLICAL FACT that Jesus is God in human form..................are blind to the Truth.



#Post 1,748

The False Teachings Of The Jehovah's Witnesses

Now, additional confusion. 😁 What did you see in that verse that made you say that? Who's words did Jesus speak?

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[tosca1]

Why are more and more modern bible translations becoming more like the NWT? Why were those on the NWT committee decades ahead of today's top orthodox scholars? This video series explains this and more on how the NWT is truly an accurate translation. Yes! The New World Translation is a valid translation. A video series that looks into it!

I find it a curiosity.........................that even when the translation of the NWT is similar with other mainstream translations................those who read it, including the elders and teachers of JW.................remain blind to it.




Rev 21 (NWT)
3  With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.
f4  And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes,g and death will be no more,h neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.i The former things have passed away.”
5  And the One seated on the thronej said: “Look! I am making all things new.”k Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful* and true.
”6  And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,* the beginning and the end.l To anyone thirsting I will give from the spring* of the water of life free.
7  Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son.


Rev 22 (NWT)
12  “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work.
o13  I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,*p the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
14  Happy are those who wash their robes,q so that they may have authority to go to the trees of lifer and that they may gain entrance into the city through its gates.
s15  Outside are the dogs* and those who practice spiritism and those who are sexually immoral* and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying.’t

16  “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of Davidu and the bright morning star.’”v

 

[tosca1]

Why are more and more modern bible translations becoming more like the NWT? Why were those on the NWT committee decades ahead of today's top orthodox scholars? This video series explains this and more on how the NWT is truly an accurate translation. Yes! The New World Translation is a valid translation. A video series that looks into it!

Can I ask a simple question:

@redbeer
@Alter2Ego



Whose coming are we CHRISTIANS, waiting for?

 

[redbeer]

Can I ask a simple question:

@redbeer
@Alter2Ego



Whose coming are we CHRISTIANS, waiting for?

That's what I wonder about Christians all the time....who are you waiting for? If Christ be 'in' you, who are you looking to come? Or maybe Christ is not 'in' you, thus hoping for a Christ to pop from the sky.

"Christ in you, the hope of glory" prevents many from falling prey to false doctrines and teachers.

 

[tosca1]

That's what I wonder about Christians all the time....who are you waiting for? If Christ be 'in' you, who are you looking to come? Or maybe Christ is not 'in' you, thus hoping for a Christ to pop from the sky.

"Christ in you, the hope of glory" prevents many from falling prey to false doctrines and teachers.

I was referring to the SECOND COMING, obviously.



BEHOLD, I AM COMING SOON.

Aren't we Christians waiting for it?



Rev 22:12
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

What did Jesus mean when He said, “Behold I am coming soon” (Revelation 22:7)? | GotQuestions.org

What did Jesus mean when He said, “Behold I am coming soon”? What is the meaning of Revelation 22:7?

www.gotquestions.org

Phil 3:20
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;


Luke 12:36
Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Waiting-For-The-Second-Coming




Anyway - have a nice day.

 

[redbeer]

I was referring to the SECOND COMING, obviously.

Aren't we Christians waiting for it?



Anyway - have a nice day.

The second coming is when Jesus comes to be 'in' us in Spirit and power.....anyways, if Christ be "in" you, why are you looking for Him to come?

 

[tosca1]

The second coming is when Jesus comes to be 'in' us in Spirit and power.....anyways, if Christ be "in" you, why are you looking for Him to come?

If He's already in us, is your answer.....................why is He telling us to await His second coming......duh?
You're saying Jesus is confused?



Anyway - I have to ask:
Do you understand the importance of His Second Coming?
I don't think you understand what you read, that well.

 

[redbeer]

If He's already in us, is the answer.....................why is He telling us to await His second coming......duh?

Do you understand the importance of His second coming?

Because he was not yet crucified, raised and glorified at the time when he said those words.

Yes, of course I understand the importance of his coming.....in Spirit and power, the Father and Son give us a witness no man can take away. Those looking for a mysterious Jesus to literally come in literal clouds do not know Jesus and only have man's interpretation, popular it is, but misplaced. Hollywood Christianity is what I call it, and many are deceived.

 

[tosca1]

Because he was not yet crucified, raised and glorified at the time when he said those words.

He was already Ressurrected when He said these.


Phil 3:20
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;


Rev 22:12
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

Yes, of course I understand the importance of his coming.....

No, you don't.

If you do, why are you trying to dillute its importance?
What do you hope to gain by trying to dismiss it?

tell me......what's in it for you?

in Spirit and power, the Father and Son give us a witness no man can take away. Those looking for a mysterious Jesus to literally come in literal clouds do not know Jesus and only have man's interpretation, popular it is, but misplaced. Hollywood Christianity is what I call it, and many are deceived.

Call it whatever you want to call it..............but I gave what is in the Scriptures.
It proved you wrong, since those two verses were said well after Jesus had died and resurrected.
It easily proved, you haven't really studied the Bible, too.


Like all false teachings - the inspiration from those who deny Jesus' deity........................comes from the devil.


See you..................until you've got something worth responding to.

 

[redbeer]

He was already Ressurrected when He said these.


Phil 3:20
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;

Jesus did not say these words, the apostle Paul did. Even then you yank it out of context to suit strange doctrines.

Paul is speaking towards the future at the resurrection, when our bodies will be changed similar to the glorified Jesus. Early in this context stating this:


(Php 3:14) I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Eagerly awaiting the time of the resurrection for our bodies to be changed......the prize for the high calling awaiting this promise.

Rev 22:12
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.

Most versions have it as "I come quickly", but either way does not justify making this verse into supporting a physical return to Earth.

No, you don't.

If you do, why are you trying to dillute its importance?
What do you hope to gain by trying to dismiss it?

tell me......what's in it for you?

You misunderstand. I am not trying to dilute or dismiss the coming of Christ. In fact support it wholeheartedly. Hollywood Christianity has made it into a 'made for TV' movie. Study the scriptures, pray to God and ask for understanding and if sincere with God's approval, He will show you things indescribable, inexplainable in human language, for Christ will come to you in all the glory, splendor, and power of God's Spirit to be "in" you. This return, this coming comes quick to give such a Witness no man can take away. Then knowing God and His Christ are in you, you will not be fooled for Christ has already returned to you.

Call it whatever you want to call it..............but I gave what is in the Scriptures.
It proved you wrong, since those two verses were said well after Jesus had died and resurrected.
It easily proved, you haven't really studied the Bible, too.


Like all false teachings - the inspiration from those who deny Jesus' deity........................comes from the devil.


See you..................until you've got something worth responding to.

I have the risen, glorified Jesus "in" me, how can I deny the promises which Jesus' God and Father gave to him? "Christ in you, the hope of glory" is an important key in understanding scripture. Without this knowledge there are a plethora of interpretations in the world and each believe they only have the truth.....good luck.

 

[Metanoia]

I have the risen, glorified Jesus "in" me, how can I deny the promises which Jesus' God and Father gave to him? "Christ in you, the hope of glory" is an important key in understanding scripture. Without this knowledge there are a plethora of interpretations in the world and each believe they only have the truth.....good luck.

You provide a ray of light. The future is now….this very next minute. Yet there is an obsession with the second coming of Christ. In Galatians 2:20 Paul was able to declare “I no longer live, but Christ lives in me”…..one can interpret that as a second coming that is within the reach of anyone. In 2 Corinthians 12:2 Paul speaks of being “caught up in the third heaven”…another possibility. It is up to us to seek a second coming….not to wait for something in the unknown future. Jesus came 4,000 years after Adam….perhaps we can expect a similar interval ? Paul does not stand alone….there is a long history of mystics that have had similar experiences but we are blind to that…..we cannot accept that direct experience of God is possible outside of what is written in the Bible yet we profess to believe in a living God.

IMO the current evangelical church is the worst….overwhelmingly supporting one such as Trump who is the most unlike Christlike person imaginable……this represents the death of serving 2 masters. “Choose this day whom you will serve”…..it applies to us in the here and now……

 

[Daisy]

What Is the Coming of Christ?​

The Bible’s answer​

The Scriptures make dozens of references to the future time when Christ comes to judge the people of the earth.a For example, Matthew 25:31-33 says:

“When the Son of man [Jesus Christ] comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

”This time of judgment will be part of a “great tribulation” unlike anything in human history. That tribulation will culminate in the war of Armageddon. (Matthew 24:21; Revelation 16:16) Christ’s enemies, described in his illustration as goats, “will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.” (2 Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 19:11, 15) In contrast, his faithful servants, the sheep, will have the prospect of “everlasting life.”—Matthew 25:46.

When will Christ come?​

Jesus said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows.” (Matthew 24:36, 42; 25:13) However, he did describe a visible, composite “sign” that would identify the period leading up to his coming.—Matthew 24:3, 7-14; Luke 21:10, 11.

Does Christ come in a body of spirit or of flesh?​

Jesus was resurrected with a spirit body, so he comes as a spirit creature, not in the flesh. (1 Corinthians 15:45; 1 Peter 3:18) For this reason, Jesus could tell his apostles on the day before his death: “In a little while the world will see me no more.”—John 14:19.

a Although many people use the terms “second coming” or “second advent” to refer to Christ’s coming, those terms do not appear in the Bible.
b See The New Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (1981), pages 451 and 470.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/502015241

 

[redbeer]

What Is the Coming of Christ?​

The Bible’s answer​

The Scriptures make dozens of references to the future time when Christ comes to judge the people of the earth.a For example, Matthew 25:31-33 says:

“When the Son of man [Jesus Christ] comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

”This time of judgment will be part of a “great tribulation” unlike anything in human history. That tribulation will culminate in the war of Armageddon. (Matthew 24:21; Revelation 16:16) Christ’s enemies, described in his illustration as goats, “will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.” (2 Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 19:11, 15) In contrast, his faithful servants, the sheep, will have the prospect of “everlasting life.”—Matthew 25:46.

When will Christ come?​

Jesus said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows.” (Matthew 24:36, 42; 25:13) However, he did describe a visible, composite “sign” that would identify the period leading up to his coming.—Matthew 24:3, 7-14; Luke 21:10, 11.

Does Christ come in a body of spirit or of flesh?​

Jesus was resurrected with a spirit body, so he comes as a spirit creature, not in the flesh. (1 Corinthians 15:45; 1 Peter 3:18) For this reason, Jesus could tell his apostles on the day before his death: “In a little while the world will see me no more.”—John 14:19.

a Although many people use the terms “second coming” or “second advent” to refer to Christ’s coming, those terms do not appear in the Bible.
b See The New Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (1981), pages 451 and 470.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/502015241

Hollywood Christianity:


Trinity-3 persons is 1 being.

You have an immortal soul.

Hell is a literal place of unimaginable torture/pain forever and ever.

The rapture.

Belief in a future singular coming of one man called the "AntiChrist".

Misplaced understanding of Christ coming 'again'.


Many others, I'm sure......these main beliefs are drilled into the heads of their followers. Many get involved into these things taking it to the grave without any real study of scripture themselves. Some become so indoctrinated they wear glasses which these are the only things they see when studying scripture.

Religious pride sets in and it becomes a very formidable creature. Scripture talks about this pride in man.....interesting study on "leviathan", read chapters 40 and 41 in the book of Job.....speaks of a behemoth and a leviathan and last verse gives hint.

(Job 41:34) He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

 

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For millennia the Greek word for "only begotten" (monogenes) clearly implied a begetting, a birth, generating, to bring forth; "Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob," etc (Matthew 1:2; John 3:16) But in 1886 scholars changed the definition to mean "only, or unique." Why? Here is a history of how "monogenes" was being used.

 

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For millennia the Greek word for "only begotten" (monogenes) clearly implied a begetting, a birth, generating, to bring forth; "Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob," etc (Matthew 1:2; John 3:16) But in 1886 scholars changed the definition to mean "only, or unique." Why? Here is a history of how "monogenes" was being used.

I didn't even bother with your video. Your opinion preceding it is enough.
All we need here is simple common sense!



Monogenes, this:

Clearly, there's more to the issue of "ONLY BEGOTTEN:......................after all, we both know Abraham had a first born son by the name of ISHMAEL.





Hebrews 11 (NASB)
17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son;



Hebrews 11 (NWT)
17  By faith Abraham, when he was tested,a as good as offered up Isaac—the man who had gladly received the promises attempted to offer up his only-begotten son —




Tell me, Isaac is Abraham's only son!
I bet, you won't.
Because, he ain't!
There's also ISHMAEL.



Since you and I both know you can't say Isaac is Abraham's only son - therefore -

clearly -

the uniqueness of ISAAC, is the issue.


RIGHT?







How is Isaac unique? GOD's Abrahamic Covenant.

Hebrews 11
18it was he to whom it was said, “IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED.”

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