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NEW STUDY - Health Impacts of CO2 over cities

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Is All CO2 Created Equal? Maybe Not.

Does it matter where carbon-dioxide is emitted? From a climate perspective, at least, the standard answer has always been, "Not really." Carbon-dioxide mixes pretty evenly and uniformly throughout the atmosphere, so that the heat-trapping gases coming out of a factory in China have the same effect on global temperatures, pound for pound, as the greenhouse gases emitted by, say, cars in Delaware. (This is in contrast to a number of other air pollutants, whose effects are often localized—sulfur dioxide only causes acid rain in discrete areas.)

But a new study just published in Environmental Science and Technology by Stanford's Marc Jacobson adds a slight twist to this standard view. Older research has found that local "domes" of high CO2 levels can often form over cities. What Jacobson found was that these domes can cause serious health impacts in the area: Among other things, they worsen the effects of localized air pollutants like ozone and particulates, which cause respiratory diseases and the like. As a result, Jacobson estimates that local CO2 emissions cause anywhere from 300 to 1,000 premature deaths in the United States each year. And presumably the problem's much worse in developing countries.

Will the EPA get off their hind-parts and start regulating emissions already? The Senate has dropped the ball--weak Dems and far-right deniers saw to that.
 
Ya, start regulating everything!!! Start with breathing, $.25 per breath!

There's a classic example of Beck-Far-Right think...

Take any pragmatic, reasonable policy to a fear-mongering moronic extreme and that's how you'll win the hearts and minds of... morons.
 
Simple solution: Don't live in big cities if you're overly concerned about big city air quality
 
There's a classic example of Beck-Far-Right think...

Take any pragmatic, reasonable policy to a fear-mongering moronic extreme and that's how you'll win the hearts and minds of... morons.

Obama once said he doesn't chew gum. Clearly he wants to BAN all products that contain gum or sugar in any form.
 
Is All CO2 Created Equal? Maybe Not.



Will the EPA get off their hind-parts and start regulating emissions already? The Senate has dropped the ball--weak Dems and far-right deniers saw to that.

Did you actually read the article closely? You're arriving at pretty much the exact opposite conclusion.

It'd be interesting to see more work on this subject, because if true, it slightly complicates the logic of a cap-and-trade system for emissions. After all, the idea behind a carbon-trading market is that a ton of CO2 has the exact same effect no matter where it's emitted—be it a factory in rural North Dakota or a power plant in L.A. But Jacobson's work suggests that the two aren't totally equal—that ton of emissions from the power plant in L.A. has a much bigger impact on human health. Now, maybe trying to account for those disparities would just make a cap-and-trade system hopelessly complicated.

The implication of the study is that Obama's proposed cap-and-trade program would be far less effective at properly allocating costs and benefits than previously thought. How you see that as proof that we should push regulation more quickly is beyond me.
 
Simple solution: Don't live in big cities if you're overly concerned about big city air quality

Don't you believe in shared misery rivrrat? What kind of human are you? :)
 
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