New state study highlights negative effects of marijuana.......

[nota bene]

That is not from smoking pot...it is from administering cannabis oil. And they do not get a high from it.

I have never tried cannabis oil myself, but my sister has gotten quite stoned from it. Latest batch (from California rather than New Mexico or Colorado) was so potent that she was literally walking into walls and decided to stop taking it and to rely only on the morphine and Fentanyl patch.

 

[blackjack50]

good to know. I guess kids should stay away from weed until their bodies have fully developed. next topic?

EXACTLY!!!!

"But no! Pot is safe! "

No it isn't safe if your brain isn't fully developed.

 

[JasperL]

I have never tried cannabis oil myself, but my sister has gotten quite stoned from it. Latest batch (from California rather than New Mexico or Colorado) was so potent that she was literally walking into walls and decided to stop taking it and to rely only on the morphine and Fentanyl patch.

There are different formulations. The cannabis oil used for epilepsy doesn't get patients high.

Medical Marijuana and Epilepsy | Epilepsy Foundation

 

[MAGAnificent]

We'll just have to disagree. Bottom line for me is prohibition failed miserably with alcohol and we repealed it and it's FAR more destructive to human health than pot. And pot prohibition has also failed miserably. Any HS kid can get it with a couple of phone calls, and it's cheap, and will always be cheap because it is easy to grow and can be grown anywhere. I just cannot see the benefits of continuing to fight a 'war' we've lost and can never, ever, ever win.

So even if I agreed in principle on pot, and I don't, then I'd still favor complete legalization and treating it like we do cigarettes and alcohol.

Fair enough. We disagree. I do agree that prohibition of alcohol was ill advised and failed miserably. My problem with POT legalization for recreational use is that once that's done....the pro-recreational crowd will move on to seeking legalization of the more dangerous drugs for recreational use....cocaine, heroin, etc. And that will be a dangerous and slippery slope.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I agree. The point being though is that marijuana is usually considered less addictive than coffee. As an recovered addict of 25 years I have learned a thing or two about addictions. We fear "drug addiction" with the image of wastrels gunning their veins with heroin; the truth is 60% of addictions in north America are with prescription drugs

Probably true. The most common prescriptiion addictions are narcotic pain pills which range anywhere from discontinue to morphine and heroin.

 

[Ikari]

Fair enough. We disagree. I do agree that prohibition of alcohol was ill advised and failed miserably. My problem with POT legalization for recreational use is that once that's done....the pro-recreational crowd will move on to seeking legalization of the more dangerous drugs for recreational use....cocaine, heroin, etc. And that will be a dangerous and slippery slope.

Why does that mean that we would have to legalize harder drugs? Not that most of this wasn't legal at some point in our history, it all was. But the War on Drugs is big money for big government. Regardless, pot is the least harmful of the outlawed drugs and not as bad as some of what we allow. Furthermore, places like CO have demonstrated that it can bring in quite a lot of tax revenue to the State. Sure, it should be 21 or older (actually I think all those age limitations should be no greater than 18 since that's the age of "adult") for purchase, but beyond that it takes too much money, wastes too much time and too many resources to continue to try to catch and prosecute people solely for pot possession/consumption.

 

[ludin]

I'd venture to say marijuana is likely still much safer than alcohol. Also, does correlation equal causation? I'd imagine regular underage users of marijuana likely have a lower IQ to start with.

according to what I have read they have the same results. being stone is no different than driving drunk.
which is why both are illegal.

 

[ludin]

Why does that mean that we would have to legalize harder drugs? Not that most of this wasn't legal at some point in our history, it all was. But the War on Drugs is big money for big government. Regardless, pot is the least harmful of the outlawed drugs and not as bad as some of what we allow. Furthermore, places like CO have demonstrated that it can bring in quite a lot of tax revenue to the State. Sure, it should be 21 or older (actually I think all those age limitations should be no greater than 18 since that's the age of "adult") for purchase, but beyond that it takes too much money, wastes too much time and too many resources to continue to try to catch and prosecute people solely for pot possession/consumption.

it isn't harmful at all that is why CO and other places have seen a huge increase of people taking to much THC.
having to go to the hospital to get their stomach pumped.

 

[MAGAnificent]

You want to have to get a prescription to buy coffee or alcohol?

Nope. Not suggesting that. I just do not want to flat out legalize everything for recreational use.

 

[JasperL]

Fair enough. We disagree. I do agree that prohibition of alcohol was ill advised and failed miserably. My problem with POT legalization for recreational use is that once that's done....the pro-recreational crowd will move on to seeking legalization of the more dangerous drugs for recreational use....cocaine, heroin, etc. And that will be a dangerous and slippery slope.

I'm fine with having those arguments, and each drug kept illegal requires, IMO, strong evidence that doing so is the best of what are all bad options. At the end of the day, we've spent hundreds of $billions fighting a "War on Drugs" and have little to nothing to show for it, except we lead the world in number of prisoners and prisoners per capita and funnel vast amount of dollars to controlling "illegal" drugs and jailing offenders in an effort that has nearly completely failed.

At some point we have to weigh the actual benefits of this War on Drugs with the HUGE costs, both monetary and in lost lives. I just don't think our current approach has worked, or CAN work.

 

[justabubba]

according to what I have read they have the same results. being stone is no different than driving drunk.
which is why both are illegal.

here's how to tell the difference

the drunk is unable to drive straight, weaving from one side of the road to the other
the stoner will be the car you pass because the driver cannot maintain the posted speed limit

not going to say why i know this to be true

 

[JasperL]

it isn't harmful at all that is why CO and other places have seen a huge increase of people taking to much THC.
having to go to the hospital to get their stomach pumped.

Some of that is true, but if you do a head count of patients in any hospital for overdose of pot, versus all the health issues directly related to alcohol, I'm sure alcohol still leads by 100 or 1,000 to 1 or so.

And no one is arguing that there is no downside to legalization, or to pot use - of course there is. The question is whether legalization and regulation works better or worse than treating drug sales and use as a criminal problem instead of a public health issue, and a relative handful of people who have overdosed, mostly because they're unfamiliar with the drug and how much they can safely take, is some evidence against legalization but just a small part of the whole picture.

 

[JasperL]

here's how to tell the difference

the drunk is unable to drive straight, weaving from one side of the road to the other
the stoner will be the car you pass because the driver cannot maintain the posted speed limit

not going to say why i know this to be true

There is evidence of that. Alcohol for a lot of people causes them to be deliberately reckless, speeding, taking bad risks because they're drunk. People on pot are still very impaired and it's a terrible idea to drive high, but the tendency is for people to try REALLY hard to be MORE careful, or the opposite of alcohol.

 

[ludin]

Some of that is true, but if you do a head count of patients in any hospital for overdose of pot, versus all the health issues directly related to alcohol, I'm sure alcohol still leads by 100 or 1,000 to 1 or so.

And no one is arguing that there is no downside to legalization, or to pot use - of course there is. The question is whether legalization and regulation works better or worse than treating drug sales and use as a criminal problem instead of a public health issue, and a relative handful of people who have overdosed, mostly because they're unfamiliar with the drug and how much they can safely take, is some evidence against legalization but just a small part of the whole picture.

correct. it is a small part.

a bigger part are the FBI raids on these pot stores for smuggling dope and drug money to cartels. they shut down about 5 of them or so for doing exactly that.

 

[yankintx]

I don't care what you do to yourself, but don't expect me to pay for your rent and healthcare when your life goes woefully wrong.

Responsible cannabis users vape or consume edibles, thought you may like to know.

 

[yankintx]

correct. it is a small part.

a bigger part are the FBI raids on these pot stores for smuggling dope and drug money to cartels. they shut down about 5 of them or so for doing exactly that.

Links please

And be sure there current

 

[JasperL]

correct. it is a small part.

a bigger part are the FBI raids on these pot stores for smuggling dope and drug money to cartels. they shut down about 5 of them or so for doing exactly that.

OK, but is that an argument against legalization? I'd imagine fairly quickly that pot retailers will find it more profitable and less risky to do business with legal suppliers. All you're pointing out is it didn't happen overnight, but no one expected the black market would shut down overnight. It's a process, and IMO headed in the right direction.

 

[Ikari]

it isn't harmful at all that is why CO and other places have seen a huge increase of people taking to much THC.
having to go to the hospital to get their stomach pumped.

No one has ODed from pot. But when it comes to edibles, people do need to be careful because the effects can be rather strong. That's why CO has ad campaigns to warn people about the effects of edibles.

 

[yankintx]

There is evidence of that. Alcohol for a lot of people causes them to be deliberately reckless, speeding, taking bad risks because they're drunk. People on pot are still very impaired and it's a terrible idea to drive high, but the tendency is for people to try REALLY hard to be MORE careful, or the opposite of alcohol.

lol

I heard another analogy

A drunk will race thru a posted stop sign

A pot head will wait for the stop sign to turn green


Alcohol is the KILLER of not only lives but families

The two drugs are polar opposites, no comparison

The only folks who try to draw a similarity are those that do not understand cannabis and how it works once in the body

 

[justabubba]

Responsible cannabis users vape or consume edibles, thought you may like to know.

from what i have read it is the edibles that have been a significant factor in the numbers of MJ enthusiasts who have sought medical attention
the edibles were in concentrations that were far in excess of what the consumer had expected

i believe there is a move to better indicate on the edibles how potent they are
and for the sake of kids, who may eat the candy/baked goods without realizing what is in them, there is to be a limit in the potency available per unit

ufortunately, in this regard, i can offer no first-hand (first-mouth?) testimony

 

[justabubba]

lol

I heard another analogy

A drunk will race thru a posted stop sign

A pot head will wait for the stop sign to turn green


Alcohol is the KILLER of not only lives but families

The too drugs are polar opposites, no comparison

i live beside a park and walk my dog there each evening. at the four way stop leading to the park, there is a flashing red light
some evenings i amuse myself, sitting on the park bench, watching the stoners' cars, stopped at that flashing red light for long periods, waiting for it to turn green
[yes, i am easily entertained]

 

[yankintx]

from what i have read it is the edibles that have been a significant factor in the numbers of MJ enthusiasts who have sought medical attention
the edibles were in concentrations that were far in excess of what the consumer had expected

i believe there is a move to better indicate on the edibles how potent they are
and for the sake of kids, who may eat the candy/baked goods without realizing what is in them, there is to be a limit in the potency available per unit

ufortunately, in this regard, i can offer no first-hand (first-mouth?) testimony

One must remember that this is a new area of commerce, much is unknown as the Gov has the plant under strict guidelines to study, unless of course one is doing a study on the negative effects of cannabis, then the FDA will give approval.

 

[HenryChinaski]

I disagree. Any addictive drug should require a prescription. And when medicinal drugs are abused recreationally, they have less positive effect when they are actually needed for legitimate medicinal use. For instance, one addicted to any opium drug will have much diminished effectiveness if treated with morphine for serious pain related to trauma, cancer, etc.

Does that go for Miller, Jack and Mad-dog?

 

[JasperL]

from what i have read it is the edibles that have been a significant factor in the numbers of MJ enthusiasts who have sought medical attention
the edibles were in concentrations that were far in excess of what the consumer had expected

i believe there is a move to better indicate on the edibles how potent they are
and for the sake of kids, who may eat the candy/baked goods without realizing what is in them, there is to be a limit in the potency available per unit

ufortunately, in this regard, i can offer no first-hand (first-mouth?) testimony

I can vouch for this, but with my dad. When he was in chemo, some 'friends' in CA made a batch of pot brownies and sent them to him. They were powerful, but he had no idea how powerful, and it took quite a while for the effects to be apparent. Anyway, according to my mom, he ate one, nothing, 15 minutes, another, 15 minutes, nothing, 4 total, then all of a sudden he's incapacitated. Turns out about half of one was about right for the effect he wanted, which was an appetite and some help with nausea, and they worked OK for that. He had 8 times that first try.

 

[Risky Thicket]

according to what I have read they have the same results. being stone is no different than driving drunk.
which is why both are illegal.

That is incorrect. Share with us the sources you have read.

Yes, driving under the influence is and should be illegal. But driving high on reefer and high on alcohol are not the same.