New commission on renaming Army bases gets early makeover

[code1211]

Psychological projection.

You're funny.

 

[code1211]

“Historians say in the wake of President Lincoln’s election, Benning became one of Georgia’s most vocal proponents of secession........”

MILITARY MATTERS: Will Fort Benning be renamed because of Confederate connection?

On the heels of nationwide protests against racial injustice following the death of George Floyd, U.S. Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy is reportedly open to renaming military bases named after Confederate generals, which includes Fort Benning.

www.wtvm.com

So you want the Army base named after a person who was a “most vocal proponent of secession”. In other words, a turncoat who chose to fight AGAINST the United States of America. Does that make any sense at all?????

This is a step forward for you. You are asking, "Why?", after a fashion, but, still, you are asking, "Why?" This is good thing.

Why did the locals and the military decide to name this fort "Benning"?

 

[Carjosse]

Confederate Generals' names were applied, obviously, AFTER the Civil War.

Andrew Johnson was the President of the United States in the years immediately following the Civil War and was a virulent racist vetoing any bill intended to help "Freedmen".

The line dividing those who was holier from who were not were not drawn along the Mason-Dixon Line.

In passing, Lincoln garnered about 55% of the vote in the 1864 election. McClellan, running on the platform to make peace and recognize the Confederacy, permanently institutionalizing slavery, garnered 45% of the Northern State's votes.

The folks who were killed or wounded in the Civil War amounted to a number so large that it touched almost every other person in the country. Naming the forts was not simply to honor any soldiers who fought.

It was to help to unite the whole country back into one union.

The conclusion of Lincoln's Second Inaugural address:

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.[7] "
—Abraham Lincoln

There is a difference between reconciling and honouring. Germany had to reconcile with its role in WWII, including what a whole generation of soldiers died fighting for and the fact that many commited heinous crimes from regular soldiers to SS officers. It took a while but they have reconciled with their past without glorifying it. What naming military bases after Confederate generals does is glorify it, that is not reconciliation.

What the election results were mean nothing, people were tired of war. Then there is also the fact you are naming military bases after literal traitors who killed American soldiers. How would you feel about something like Air Force Base Benedict Arnold?

 

[vegas giants]

There is a difference between reconciling and honouring. Germany had to reconcile with its role in WWII, including what a whole generation of soldiers died fighting for and the fact that many commited heinous crimes from regular soldiers to SS officers. It took a while but they have reconciled with their past without glorifying it. What naming military bases after Confederate generals does is glorify it, that is not reconciliation.

What the election results were mean nothing, people were tired of war. Then there is also the fact you are naming military bases after literal traitors who killed American soldiers.

Exactly. They were traitors by definition.

 

[Tigerace117]

But 45% of the folks in northern states who voted in 1864 for McClellan were voting for the guy that promised sue for peace and permanently institutionalize slavery in the Southern States.

The 55% of voting public in the North in 1865 voted for Lincoln who had the virulent racist Andrew Johnson as his VP Candidate. Johnson vetoed all bills aimed at helping "Freedmen" after assuming the office of the POTUS.

The divisions politically were obviously pretty grave before, during and after the war. Following the war, the FIRST war of the modern era to employ a strategy of Total War, the wounds left were deep and lasting.

Lincoln's second Inaugural Address concluded with these words:

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.[7] "
—Abraham Lincoln

McClellan was a famous commander who, despite running on a peace platform, waffled pretty ****ing openly on whether or not he would actually let the Confederacy go.....and still got defeated

The majority of the country voted for Lincoln in order to see the crushing of the slavers through to the end.

Lol yeah, the terrorists responded to northern leniency by murdering the president of the United States and conducting numerous terrorist attacks, especially against African Americans for having the “gall” to try and exercise their rights as Americans.

And all Lincoln’s fancy words got him.....were a bullet and a century of tyranny in the south

 

[Tigerace117]

Well! This is good! You are on the very edge of asking, "Why?"

WHY was this Fort named Benning? Did it simply poof into existence? Was there a process during which it evolved? This question opens a door to a process of investigation that COULD lead to better understanding.

Any three year old might ask that "WHY" question among all of the other "WHY" question they might ask.

Who was Benning? Why was he important? Why did the local folks love him? Why did the military folks revere him? Why was his name applied? Why use the name of a Confederate?

Simply erasing history is not the way to inform anyone of anything except that small minded morons hate and that they have gained power to spread their hate.

Study history. It informs on how to avoid mistakes of the past.

I am asking why you are making such laughable claims, yes.

Because of Lost Cause stupidity and a desire to pretend the slavers were fighting for something— anything— other than what they stated they were fighting for. Duh.

Benning himself bitterly opposed abolition and thought even the slaver’s revolt didn’t go far enough because there was a possibility slavery might someday end in the upper south. It’s like having a “Fort Heinrich Himmler”.

“ In a letter to Howell Cobb written in July 1849, he stated that a Southern Confederacy would not be enough because it might itself eventually become divided into northern and southern regions as slavery waned in some of the states, and he called for a Southern "consolidated Republic" that "will put slavery under the control of those most interested in it."[3

Benning was the commissioner from Georgia to the Virginian secession convention in which he tried to persuade Virginian politicians to vote to join Georgia in seceding from the Union.[4] In a February 1861 speech to the Virginian secession convention, Benning gave his reasoning for the urging of secession from the Union, appealing to ethnic prejudices and pro-slavery sentiments to present his case and saying that were the slave states to remain in the Union their slaves would ultimately end up being freed by the anti-slavery Republican Party. He stated that he would rather be stricken with illness and starvation than see African Americans liberated from slavery and be given equality as citizens.”

Henry L. Benning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

History shows that appeasing your slaver heroes brought nothing but tyranny.

 

[watsup]

And the Democrat-Socialist erasing of history proceeds.

And the whining of those who want to continue to "honor" the generals and soldiers of an ENEMY NATION continues.

 

[code1211]

Doesn't matter if the Army bases were named yesterday.

It's wrong to tarnish the US military by naming military bases after treasonous slave-traders.

I'm so glad that is going to change.

It's usually nice when people are happy.

 

[Sweden]

To make the losers in the civil war feel better

There is probably much in that. Everything that might promote reconciliation had to be tried.

 

[code1211]

There is a difference between reconciling and honouring. Germany had to reconcile with its role in WWII, including what a whole generation of soldiers died fighting for and the fact that many commited heinous crimes from regular soldiers to SS officers. It took a while but they have reconciled with their past without glorifying it. What naming military bases after Confederate generals does is glorify it, that is not reconciliation.

What the election results were mean nothing, people were tired of war. Then there is also the fact you are naming military bases after literal traitors who killed American soldiers. How would you feel about something like Air Force Base Benedict Arnold?

Someone in this thread used that before. Benedict Arnold was a British Subject in his heart and mind and lived out the remainder of his life in Britain after the Revolution.

If the UK had become the 51st state, that might apply here. We might even be playing Cricket here instead of baseball. Do the Cricketeers piss on our flag? Still might happen, I suppose.

You seem to be of the mind that all of the folks in the North were holy and righteous folks with no evil thought and no sin to repent while the Southern folks were all condemned needing punishment and repentance.

Lincoln disagreed. So did his VP Andrew Johnson who, incidentally, issued presidential pardons to every one of the soldiers of any and all ranks who fought in the Civil War.

Is this yet ANOTHER of the various historical facts omitted by our inept and conspiratorial narrative peddling propagandists teaching in our public schools today?

All Confederate soldiers gain presidential pardons, Dec. 25, 1868

The pardons were unconditional and aimed at healing the nation.

www.politico.com

In passing war crimes were committed by soldiers of both sides. POW's were killed by mistreatment and starvation on both sides.

Civilians mistreated were victimized in far greater numbers by the Union armies in the South than by the Confederate Armies in the North.

All of this is simple history. Why is history not taught in our schools anymore?

 

[code1211]

McClellan was a famous commander who, despite running on a peace platform, waffled pretty ****ing openly on whether or not he would actually let the Confederacy go.....and still got defeated

The majority of the country voted for Lincoln in order to see the crushing of the slavers through to the end.

Lol yeah, the terrorists responded to northern leniency by murdering the president of the United States and conducting numerous terrorist attacks, especially against African Americans for having the “gall” to try and exercise their rights as Americans.

And all Lincoln’s fancy words got him.....were a bullet and a century of tyranny in the south

Lincoln was a pretty good guy. Like Jefferson Davis, and, apparently, you, i feel it would have been a good thing if Lincoln could have lived through his second term.

Do you seriously assert that ALL of the people in the "North" were intrinsically GOOD while ALL of the people in the "South" were intrinsically BAD?

In passing, ALL of the soldiers who fought for the Confederacy were grantee presidential pardons. Is this not taught in our schools anymore?

 

[code1211]

I am asking why you are making such laughable claims, yes.

Because of Lost Cause stupidity and a desire to pretend the slavers were fighting for something— anything— other than what they stated they were fighting for. Duh.

Benning himself bitterly opposed abolition and thought even the slaver’s revolt didn’t go far enough because there was a possibility slavery might someday end in the upper south. It’s like having a “Fort Heinrich Himmler”.

“ In a letter to Howell Cobb written in July 1849, he stated that a Southern Confederacy would not be enough because it might itself eventually become divided into northern and southern regions as slavery waned in some of the states, and he called for a Southern "consolidated Republic" that "will put slavery under the control of those most interested in it."[3

Benning was the commissioner from Georgia to the Virginian secession convention in which he tried to persuade Virginian politicians to vote to join Georgia in seceding from the Union.[4] In a February 1861 speech to the Virginian secession convention, Benning gave his reasoning for the urging of secession from the Union, appealing to ethnic prejudices and pro-slavery sentiments to present his case and saying that were the slave states to remain in the Union their slaves would ultimately end up being freed by the anti-slavery Republican Party. He stated that he would rather be stricken with illness and starvation than see African Americans liberated from slavery and be given equality as citizens.”

Henry L. Benning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

History shows that appeasing your slaver heroes brought nothing but tyranny.

He was in support of slavery. Is that why the fort was named Benning? Is that the one and only quality of his life? Did he have children? Was he a leader? Was he charitable?

Were there any redeeming qualities in the character of this man that caused the good folks of Georgia to promote the naming of the fort that bears his name?

As I said, you are finally asking 'Why?" and that's a good thing.

 

[code1211]

And the whining of those who want to continue to "honor" the generals and soldiers of an ENEMY NATION continues.

Such a lack of anything useful in your thinking. Hate, hate and more hate.

 

[watsup]

Such a lack of anything useful in your thinking. Hate, hate and more hate.

Same old lies, lies, and more lies from you. It's all that you ever have.

 

[Carjosse]

Someone in this thread used that before. Benedict Arnold was a British Subject in his heart and mind and lived out the remainder of his life in Britain after the Revolution.

If the UK had become the 51st state, that might apply here. We might even be playing Cricket here instead of baseball. Do the Cricketeers piss on our flag? Still might happen, I suppose.

You seem to be of the mind that all of the folks in the North were holy and righteous folks with no evil thought and no sin to repent while the Southern folks were all condemned needing punishment and repentance.

Lincoln disagreed. So did his VP Andrew Johnson who, incidentally, issued presidential pardons to every one of the soldiers of any and all ranks who fought in the Civil War.

Is this yet ANOTHER of the various historical facts omitted by our inept and conspiratorial narrative peddling propagandists teaching in our public schools today?

All Confederate soldiers gain presidential pardons, Dec. 25, 1868

The pardons were unconditional and aimed at healing the nation.

www.politico.com

In passing war crimes were committed by soldiers of both sides. POW's were killed by mistreatment and starvation on both sides.

Civilians mistreated were victimized in far greater numbers by the Union armies in the South than by the Confederate Armies in the North.

All of this is simple history. Why is history not taught in our schools anymore?

If it is such simple history why don't you understand what the Confederacy was fighting for?

 

[watsup]

If it is such simple history why don't you understand what the Confederacy was fighting for?

And that it was an ENEMY nation. Why would the UNITED STATES honor the generals and soldiers of an ENEMY nation by naming Army bases for them?????????

 

[Tigerace117]

Lincoln was a pretty good guy. Like Jefferson Davis, and, apparently, you, i feel it would have been a good thing if Lincoln could have lived through his second term.

Do you seriously assert that ALL of the people in the "North" were intrinsically GOOD while ALL of the people in the "South" were intrinsically BAD?

In passing, ALL of the soldiers who fought for the Confederacy were grantee presidential pardons. Is this not taught in our schools anymore?

All Lincoln’s “goodness” got him was a bullet. He should have known better than to expect slaver thugs to graciously accept the crushing of their ability to profit off human suffering.

Where did I say that? I just pointed out that the Confederacy was explicitly fighting to protect slavery.....which it was. Their cause was one of the worst anyone has ever fought for.

Which doesn’t change the fact that they murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans in a desperate attempt to preserve slavery. There is zero reason to celebrate their regime....period.

 

[Tigerace117]

He was in support of slavery. Is that why the fort was named Benning? Is that the one and only quality of his life? Did he have children? Was he a leader? Was he charitable?

Were there any redeeming qualities in the character of this man that caused the good folks of Georgia to promote the naming of the fort that bears his name?

As I said, you are finally asking 'Why?" and that's a good thing.

He wasn’t just a slaver, he enthusiastically and fanatically supported the war to preserve the “peculiar institution”

If a Nazi plays with a kitten, that doesn’t change the fact that he’s still a Nazi. You are desperately grasping at straws to try and justify having a base named after a treasonous thug

He fought for slavery, and to the “good folks” of Georgia, that’s all that mattered. Which is why the base’s name needs to change.

 

[code1211]

Same old lies, lies, and more lies from you. It's all that you ever have.

You seem to have been taught lies and seem to believe them. You have closed yourself to all that is not approved think.

You reject ANYTHING that does not neatly fit into your rigid bias and prejudice.

Open your mind and let in the world.

It might turn out to be refreshing for you.

 

[vegas giants]

And that it was an ENEMY nation. Why would the UNITED STATES honor the generals and soldiers of an ENEMY nation by naming Army bases for them?????????

Not simply enemies. Also traitors to America

 

[code1211]

If it is such simple history why don't you understand what the Confederacy was fighting for?

Lincoln invited Robert E. Lee to be the commander of the Union forces. He declined.

Maryland was a slave state. Maryland sided with and sent troops to fight on the side of the Union.

You veneer thin understanding of this is an indictment of our public education system.

 

[Luther]

Exactly. They were traitors by definition.

You mean like our very own Founding Fathers Vegas(wink)?

 

[code1211]

All Lincoln’s “goodness” got him was a bullet. He should have known better than to expect slaver thugs to graciously accept the crushing of their ability to profit off human suffering.

Where did I say that? I just pointed out that the Confederacy was explicitly fighting to protect slavery.....which it was. Their cause was one of the worst anyone has ever fought for.

Which doesn’t change the fact that they murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans in a desperate attempt to preserve slavery. There is zero reason to celebrate their regime....period.

Is there also zero reason to understand history and the events that caused other events and that resulted from other events?

You seem to cherish ignorance and hate.

 

[vegas giants]

Lincoln invited Robert E. Lee to be the commander of the Union forces. He declined.

Maryland was a slave state. Maryland sided with and sent troops to fight on the side of the Union.

You veneer thin understanding of this is an indictment of our public education system.

Confederates renounced their citizenship, took up arms and attacked Americans. They are the literal definition of traitors to America

 

[Luther]

Confederates renounced their citizenship, took up arms and attacked Americans. They are the literal definition of traitors to America

Whisky Rebellion ring a bell?