• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

#NeverTrump Is Dead, And Now We Have No Choice But To Vote For Him

I am not sure that is completely accurate, in Hillery's case she was winning more delegates
even when she lost the primary election.

Hillary would have an even bigger lead if there were no super delegates
 

I can name 10 Republican candidates who were far, far better than Trump. Trump brings nothing to the table except fear and ridiculous ideas that will never be implemented.
 


There's a difference between confidence, like Reagan and narcissism, like Obama.
 

Please back down on that pledge now. It is a foolish pledge that diminishes you and everybody else if you lose your bet. It is absolutely a lose-lose proposition if you are wrong. Don't make bets when there is nothing for you to gain. (Mama Owl's counsel.)

I don't believe Hillary will even consult Bill on how to run the nation. And I believe that she, just as Obama has, will surround herself with people with questionable motives and who will give her very bad advice. And I think her SCOTUS appointments will lose the court to hyper liberalism/progressivism and anti-constitutionalism for the rest of our lifetimes if not forever.

And Clinton was headed for a failed presidency if Newt Gingrich and his GOP reformers had not shown up to save it. To Bill Clinton's credit, he was willing to go along with enough of those reforms that yes, he was not a bad president. The current GOP won't do that for Hillary or anybody else for that matter--they and the Democrats are too establishment and too gung ho to maintain the status quo which is defined as the system that benefits them the most.

I don't see Trump as the lesser of two evils. In my worst nightmare, I cannot believe he won't see better solutions to problems and better ways to achieve them than she will. Both of them will want to leave an admirable and appreciated legacy. And since he won't be beholden to the GOP as Hillary is bound to the Democratic Party, he has a better chance at pushing for real reforms and real accomplishments for good. I think he will surround himself with good people to educate him in what he doesn't know.

Both Hillary and Trump will want to leave a positive, favorable, appreciated legacy for themselves. But Trump is the one with the skill sets to do it. And even if he is terrible, I can't imagine that he will be as destructive as another eight years of the status quo will be.
 
Simply put, you are wrong on all counts in my opinion, oh well. Reality Check in November, until then enjoy the show.
 
Simply put, you are wrong on all counts in my opinion, oh well. Reality Check in November, until then enjoy the show.

I don't mind you thinking I am wrong. Lots and lots of people think I'm wrong about a lot of things. And that's okay. (Though of course they're wrong. )

But again, please rescind that bet. Don't make a bet in which you have everything to lose and nothing to gain.
 

Fair enough.

You said do not bet the farm, I offered you something else, I see you do not want to accept. FYI, I would not lose anything, this is not the only site I belong to and not the first I would walk away from if I felt the need or gave my word on something. Not a bad site, better than most, but no, I would not lose any sleep over it if I lost, besides I would have far bigger concerns than a political discussion site, as would most Americans just some would take longer to grasp exactly what it was they have been sold.
 
I have to laugh when I am told I have no choice...no matter what the situation.

Marilyn Vos Savant 2016
 

I didn't bet anything and I was trying to persuade you not to pledge something you would surely regret, but okay. If you don't accept that in the spirit I intended it and it is that important to you, then make the pledge and keep it. I should have just kept my mouth shut. Or my fingers still. Or however you say it on a message board.
 
I offered the bet to you, you declined. So that is that.
You say "Have a Good Day".
 

It really must be nice to be a Dem and never be considered responsible for anything.
 
Simply put, you are wrong on all counts in my opinion, oh well. Reality Check in November, until then enjoy the show.

That would be fine on the face of it, but with the sniping from the butthurt crowd, those who were wrong and wrong again and now want to repair their miscalculations by doing their best to poison their own, just to make themselves right at any cost, it's difficult to put up with the constant whining coming from the cheap seats.

We get it, this crowd doesn't want Hillary, they don't want Trump, they don't want anyone who is running. But they sure do want to tell everyone who is involved how we should vote and express their general hate of us when we don't take their ****ty advice.
 
I would not know, never been a Dem or Repub.

You said it yourself, only Repubs are to blame for anything and let's not forget how stupid you think "Cons" are. Yeah, you're really above all that partisanship.
 

I have no idea what on earth set of that rambling bit of stuff, hopefully you feel better now. Hate, I do not hate you or anyone else for that matter, I leave hate to those more practiced at it, Clownboy.
 
You said it yourself, only Repubs are to blame for anything and let's not forget how stupid you think "Cons" are. Yeah, you're really above all that partisanship.
BS. Plain and Simple. Care to show where I said anything of the sort on this or any other thread or site I post to, I will wait...............................
 

(Sigh) Eliminating your ad homs and snide sarcasm leaves us with the above.

Yes, the Democrats will oppose Trump if he is elected President. That's the standard expectation of any election.

But many Republican Congressman will also.

You seem to forget that all of those Congressmen, regardless of Party, are beholden to all sorts of Special Interests. Special Interests who pay for their elections and re-elections only so long as those Congressmen do everything they can to support the goals of those interests.

Obama found that out when he tried to get a much different version of the ACA proposed and passed...held up by his OWN Party which allowed Big Pharma, Medical Insurance, and the AMA to "work up" a proposal. Thus we have this mess of an ACA.

Your sarcasm notwithstanding, Hillary will have the full support of her Party if she is elected to office; which means she has a much better chance of doing what she wills than Trump would.

However, his election would seriously shake the foundations of both the GOP and the Democrats, alerting them to something they (like you) have shrugged off for so long...that there is an eve- growing discontent with the status quo and people expect real change.
 

As long as the Electoral College is in effect and winning requires 51% of the total college votes there will never be a viable 3rd party. A Strong 3rd party candidate today would throw the choice of President into the House and they could pick anyone they wanted. It would be a disaster.
 
The choice is simply this:

Either vote for Trump or waste your vote and allow Hillary Clinton to become the next President of the United States.

That's what it all boils down to. :shrug:

**** that. You're too pessimistic about things.

D and R are leading this country down together because of that kind of mindset.

Parties have died before many times. What makes D and R so special that votes anywhere else would be wasted?
 
**** that. You're too pessimistic about things.

D and R are leading this country down together because of that kind of mindset.

Parties have died before many times. What makes D and R so special that votes anywhere else would be wasted?

I don't give a crap about Democratic or Republican Party organizations. I don't belong to either and I seldom vote for either.

I usually don't vote or vote for third party candidates I like, especially in local elections.

However, I do vote for Democratic or Republican Presidential candidates if I support one, or despise/have concerns about allowing one to become President.

In this case I prefer voting for Trump over Hillary for the second half of that reasoning. I don't think Trump can do any harm...Hillary worries me greatly.
 
No way am I voting for Trump. In fact, if I lived in a swing state, I'd seriously consider voting for Hillary (who I detest) on the basis of the lesser of two evils theory. Fortunately my state is solidly blue so I don't have to contemplate that nightmare scenario. I can go to the polls and vote Libertarian with a clean conscience.

What's really disappointing is the Republicans had a candidate in Cruz who I was actually looking forward to voting for if he had won. He's not a perfect candidate by any stretch, but he has foundational ideals and principles and really means it when he talks about fiscal conservatism and smaller government. And he's not afraid to stand up to the GOP leadership that uses those words as empty slogans.
 

ANOTHER disaster.

And I thought parties weren't in the constitution. They're not forbidden, but not established there, either. I'm with Washington on parties. He got that prediction WAY better than Nostradamus ever did.