Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible'... Receive max fine

[Grim17]

It's about time someone in authority publicly calls these scumbags out for what they are.

Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible,' Slaps Group With Maximum Fine for Voter Fraud
By Eric Shawn
Published August 10, 2011
FoxNews.com

A Nevada judge on Wednesday gave ACORN, the defunct grass-roots community organization, the maximum fine for its illegal voter-registration scheme in that state.

District Court Judge Donald Mosley was blunt and unsparing in his criticism of the discredited activist group. Citing the long history of voter registration fraud allegations that engulfed ACORN across the country, he slapped the group with a $5,000 fine for violating Nevada election law during the 2008 presidential election.

Mosley, reading the pre-sentence report, listed a series of voter registration fraud allegations against ACORN workers. He said that if the claims have been true, then "It is making a mockery of our election process. If I had an individual in this courtroom...who was responsible for this kind of thing, I would put that person in prison for 10 years, hard time, and not think twice about it," he said. "To me this is reprehensible. This is the kind of thing you see in some banana republic, Uruguay or someplace, not in the United States."

Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible,' Slaps Group With Maximum Fine for Voter Fraud - FoxNews.com

 

[What if...?]

It's about time someone in authority publicly calls these scumbags out for what they are.



Nevada Judge Calls ACORN 'Reprehensible,' Slaps Group With Maximum Fine for Voter Fraud - FoxNews.com

You do realize that this case was about compensation for voter registration personnel, right?

It did violate Nevada law, but didn't involve more than the usual "padding" done by registration employees everywhere, if that.

Very important point: the sentence before your bolding begins with "if" and so does the second sentence in the bolded part. The case did not involve any actual fraud, just a bonus system for getting 21 registrations in a day.

The law is in place to prevent phony registrations for COMPENSATION. Paying people by the number of registrations gathered encourages the submission of made up forms. Happens everywhere. Happened when I did it for a minute as a kid.

"Voter fraud" is this election's "death panel".

To my knowledge, no one here has presented any evidence of convictions for ACTUAL fraudulent voting of any significance. And the Republicans have been LOOKING. When turnout is low, they win. Their "boxing" activities probably have a larger impact on election results than people voting twice. Scrubbing everyone with the same name as someone with a felony, for instance. This is the real reason for voter id laws. So they can scrub everyone who moved since they registered. "Address on your ID don't match your registration, no vote for you". Poor people move much more often than more affluent people do. MANY more formal complaints about this every election than substantiated claims of actual multiple voting or voting with made up credentials.

Mark my words. In the upcoming election, everywhere voter ID laws were passed there will be LEGIONS of Republicans going through voter roles looking for ways to disenfranchise legal voters on technicalities. They do it in every close race in the country.

 

[Ockham]

he slapped the group with a $5,000 fine for violating Nevada election law during the 2008 presidential election.

:lamo

No wonder groups like ACORN then and now have NO PROBLEM violating election laws and undermining our election process. $5K is the MAX fine? What a ****ing JOKE!!!

 

[Misterveritis]

Mark my words. In the upcoming election, everywhere voter ID laws were passed there will be LEGIONS of Republicans going through voter roles looking for ways to disenfranchise legal voters on technicalities. They do it in every close race in the country.

Where voter ID laws have been passed there is far less of an ability for voter fraud. This puts Democrats at a disadvantage. It is pretty darned hard to win elections based on the Democrats record if they cannot count on the dead and illegal alien vote.

Still, conservatives and Republicans need to get out the greatest possible number of legitimate voters. When we do we win.

 

[1Perry]

To my knowledge, no one here has presented any evidence of convictions for ACTUAL fraudulent voting of any significance.

One is significant.

Four Wake residents charged with voting twice | abc11.com

As far as this story goes, Acorn was accused (and charged) for things like this year in and year out. It made no difference. They would get caught and then do it again in the next election.

 

[What if...?]

Where voter ID laws have been passed there is far less of an ability for voter fraud. This puts Democrats at a disadvantage. It is pretty darned hard to win elections based on the Democrats record if they cannot count on the dead and illegal alien vote.

Still, conservatives and Republicans need to get out the greatest possible number of legitimate voters. When we do we win.

Keep hearing about all these illegal alien and dead people voting. I must have missed the proof of this occurring.

Could you direct me to your evidence?

 

[What if...?]

:lamo

No wonder groups like ACORN then and now have NO PROBLEM violating election laws and undermining our election process. $5K is the MAX fine? What a ****ing JOKE!!!

Its a technicality. Paying bonuses for 21 registrations violates NV law. It doesn't violate federal law, and isn't illegal in many states.

 

[Misterveritis]

Keep hearing about all these illegal alien and dead people voting. I must have missed the proof of this occurring.

Could you direct me to your evidence?

Look at every close race. The fingerprints are there. Evaluate the counties where more democrats vote than there are residents in the county. The evidence is anecdotal.

 

[What if...?]

One is significant.

Four Wake residents charged with voting twice | abc11.com

As far as this story goes, Acorn was accused (and charged) for things like this year in and year out. It made no difference. They would get caught and then do it again in the next election.

Four people is "significant"? Did the election in question turn on those four votes?

I'm not saying voter fraud doesn't happen. I'm just saying that its actually pretty rare. I would venture to say what fraud there is on both sides probably cancels out. Then we're back to disenfranchising "boxing" activities.

 

[Ockham]

Its a technicality. Paying bonuses for 21 registrations violates NV law. It doesn't violate federal law, and isn't illegal in many states.

Perhaps if it was $5k per false registration... or did I miss that part?

 

[What if...?]

Look at every close race. The fingerprints are there. Evaluate the counties where more democrats vote than there are residents in the county. The evidence is anecdotal.

If more dems voted than there are residents, that's easily provable and NOT anecdotal.

Large numbers of formal complaints by those denied the right to vote by "boxing" activities are made in poor Dem districts every election. Legal voters denied the right to vote by various challenges to their right to do so.

 

[What if...?]

Perhaps if it was $5k per false registration... or did I miss that part?

It was paying the bonus AT ALL that violated the rule. It was a compensation violation. Every group that pays by the registration deals with "padding" by canvassers. Mechanisms are in place to address this, both in the groups themselves and at the Registrars office.

This case was a violation of compensation rules.

 

[1Perry]

Four people is "significant"? Did the election in question turn on those four votes?

Once again, ONE is significant. We should condemn any and all examples. Voting is one of the foundations of the country and even one case is significant.

I'm not saying voter fraud doesn't happen. I'm just saying that its actually pretty rare. I would venture to say what fraud there is on both sides probably cancels out. Then we're back to disenfranchising "boxing" activities.

It could be offsetting. My point is any anomolies should be condemned and when the same ones happen year after year, stronger actions are required.

 

[Misterveritis]

Four people is "significant"? Did the election in question turn on those four votes?

It is an indicator. Small scale voter fraud is not likely to be caught. Large scale voter fraud means there are more people who might be caught. Did you notice in the story that three out of four were democrats? The fourth was not specified.

 

[Misterveritis]

If more dems voted than there are residents, that's easily provable and NOT anecdotal.

Large numbers of formal complaints by those denied the right to vote by "boxing" activities are made in poor Dem districts every election. Legal voters denied the right to vote by various challenges to their right to do so.

Still, most stories of voter fraud are anecdotal. I am sure if someone was willing to do the research one might find irrefutable facts. I won't do the research. But I will expect widespread democrat voter fraud. The way to counter it is to turn out such large numbers of legitimate republican voters that the democrats are unable to steal the election.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

:lamo

No wonder groups like ACORN then and now have NO PROBLEM violating election laws and undermining our election process. $5K is the MAX fine? What a ****ing JOKE!!!

The law is the law - he can't violate that no matter how much he might have wanted to - I'm sure he would have if he could have.

 

[Ockham]

The law is the law - he can't violate that no matter how much he might have wanted to - I'm sure he would have if he could have.

Oh I agree with the law, just not the sentencing severity. It's too bad, such a fine / penalty encourages voter registration fraud.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

You guys do realize that ACORN is no longer around right?

 

[1Perry]

ACORN Getting A Makeover: Group Looking For New Name, New Branding After Video Scandal

 

[Ockham]

You guys do realize that ACORN is no longer around right?

Sure it's around, just under different names.

 

[Deuce]

ACORN did something that is legal in most states, but conservatives are acting like it's some sort of massive voting fraud.

They also ignore completely that in every instance of actual voter registration fraud, ACORN is the organization that discovered the crime and turned over that information to the authorities. They caught a few lazy employees breaking the law and turned them in. What else would you have them do?

 

[BWG]

You do realize that this case was about compensation for voter registration personnel, right?

Fox news with a lying/misleading headline? Say it ain't so...:lol:

Very important point: the sentence before your bolding begins with "if" and so does the second sentence in the bolded part. The case did not involve any actual fraud, just a bonus system for getting 21 registrations in a day.

Eh...what's a little two letter word to the bias detector?

 

[BWG]

One is significant.

Nowhere in your article is ACORN mentioned.

As far as this story goes, Acorn was accused (and charged) for things like this year in and year out. It made no difference. They would get caught and then do it again in the next election.

That's the point, yes there have been many allegations from the whiny right, where are the convictions?

If you investigate voter fraud with any depth at all, you will find 'in person' voter fraud rare, almost indeterminable.

 

[Deuce]

Nowhere in your article is ACORN mentioned.


That's the point, yes there have been many allegations from the whiny right, where are the convictions?

If you investigate voter fraud with any depth at all, you will find 'in person' voter fraud rare, almost indeterminable.

Wait, you mean Mickey Mouse didn't actually show up to vote?

 

[1Perry]

Nowhere in your article is ACORN mentioned.

Because I was replying to a different point.

That's the point, yes there have been many allegations from the whiny right, where are the convictions?

If you investigate voter fraud with any depth at all, you will find 'in person' voter fraud rare, almost indeterminable.

ACORN fined for voter fraud

The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : ACORN Leader Sentenced In Voter Fraud Conspiracy

Ex-ACORN worker: 'I paid the price' for voter registration fraud - CNN

18 Former ACORN Workers Have Been Convicted or Admitted Guilt in Election Fraud - FoxNews.com

How many have to be convicted to make these more than "allegations"?