Nebraska State Senator vows to block all bills

[Gatsby]

Funny - because you said:

"Throw a politician out of office" meaning to stop electing her.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I'm trying to think of any situation where it would be appropriate to shut down the government because I didn't get my way on some policy issue. And...I'm drawing a blank. I've got nothing. So no, not if they "believe in exactly the same things as I do." If Congress passed, say, a bill cutting the number of green cards in half, I wouldn't be lobbying to shut the government down. If a state passed a bill mandating single-family zoning everywhere, I wouldn't be lobbying to shut the government down. Just because I disagree with some particular government action does not mean that the government should cease to function at all.

Right, and because YOU would never do it, that means that NO ONE should ever be allowed to do it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yeah, denying a mastectomy for a healthy 12-year-old girl is clearly the same as Auschwitz. You got me there.

Do you need an additional apple box to stand on so things don't go over your head?

 

[BirdinHand]

"Throw a politician out of office" meaning to stop electing her.

And yet, she ran on

• We must mandate protections for LGBT+ youth in schools, ban conversion therapy, and ensure access to social services

Issues | Megan Hunt for Legislature

Nebraskans deserve leadership that supports individual liberty and the pursuit of happiness to enable ALL of our neighbors to enjoy the good life.

meganfornebraska.com

So I’d say she’s doing exactly what she promised when she ran for election. She’s standing up for LGBT youth.

 

[Gatsby]

Trans issues are strange to me because, as I suspect is the case with you, I don't know any trans people. Right wing media is very good and very experienced at taking things that aren't common to everybody and turning them into the boogeyman. What you're not getting is that this is the next gay rights issue, and as always they're making it about protecting the kids.

No, it's not the next gay rights issue. Gay people weren't asking for anything except for the state to leave them alone (e.g. marriage equality, military service equality), plus some anti-discrimination laws. They got those, and rightly so. And I should add, trans people got those things too, mostly at the same time as gay people. The "trans issues" on the menu today are not about people leaving them alone, they are things that impose real costs on other people:

• Child sex changes (imposes real costs on children too young to consent).
• Men in women's sports (imposes real costs on female athletes).
• Shutting down the government to achieve these various goals (imposes real costs on the citizens and taxpayers of the state).

 

[Gatsby]

Do you need an additional apple box to stand on so things don't go over your head?

Here, I have a poem!

I cannot speak for all, you see,
But as for me, oh, dear me!
I do not think it right or fair
To push children to change and wear
A different gender, just for show
To please the whims of folks we know.

It's true that sometimes children feel
Like they're not quite themselves, for real.
They may feel sad or out of place,
And seek to change their outer face.
But should we rush to surgery,
To change their bodies suddenly?

No, no, we must take time to think,
And not act quickly, on a whim.
For children grow and change so fast,
And feelings may not always last.
So let us wait and see what comes,
Before we make such major sums.

And if a child is truly sure,
Then let them wait a little more.
For life is long, and many things
May change, as each new day brings
New ideas, hopes, and ways to be,
And new chances to feel free.

So let us not rush into things,
But wait, and listen, and see what springs
From deep within each child's heart,
Before we tear their world apart.
For every child deserves a chance
To be themselves, and to advance
In life, with joy and happiness,
And to find their own true path to bliss.

- ChatGPT, in the style of Dr. Seuss

 

[Gatsby]

Right, and because YOU would never do it, that means that NO ONE should ever be allowed to do it.

Correct. Government at all levels needs to have fewer minoritarian veto points so that a small number of narcissistic assholes can't make the entire thing grind to a halt.

 

[Deuce]

Better headline: "Elected representative vows to shut down the government unless they allow child sex changes."

That would be a lie, which comes naturally to right wingers

 

[Gatsby]

And yet, she ran on

Issues | Megan Hunt for Legislature

Nebraskans deserve leadership that supports individual liberty and the pursuit of happiness to enable ALL of our neighbors to enjoy the good life.

meganfornebraska.com

So I’d say she’s doing exactly what she promised when she ran for election. She’s standing up for LGBT youth.

She campaigned on banning conversion therapy, and yet she wants to tell kids there's something wrong with them, and set them up for a lifetime of medical dependency...all because they are uncomfortable in their bodies and/or possibly gay?

 

[Gatsby]

That would be a lie

If she's filibustering all bills then that will result in the government shutting down. Because sooner or later the state will run out of money and need to pass a budgetary bill.

 

[BirdinHand]

She campaigned on banning conversion therapy, and yet she wants to tell kids there's something wrong with them, and set them up for a lifetime of medical dependency...all because they are uncomfortable in their bodies and/or possibly gay?

Do you intend for obtuse posting or is it accidental?

 

[Gatsby]

Do you intend for obtuse posting or is it accidental?

Both.

 

[Cardinal]

No, it's not the next gay rights issue. Gay people weren't asking for anything except for the state to leave them alone (e.g. marriage equality, military service equality), plus some anti-discrimination laws. They got those, and rightly so. And I should add, trans people got those things too, mostly at the same time. The "trans issues" on the menu today are not about people leaving them alone, they are things that impose real costs on other people:

• Child sex changes (imposes real costs on children too young to consent).
• Men in women's sports (imposes real costs on female athletes).
• Shutting down the government to achieve these various goals (imposes real costs on the citizens and taxpayers of the state).

Your position on gay rights merely reiterates my point, which is that conservatives lost on the gay rights debate. That's why they've moved on to The Next Scary Thing, and as always it's about protecting the kids.

Do you know any trans people or parents with kids suffering gender dysphoria? I don't, but I also don't think that this issue just magically leapt into being once Republicans made it The Next Scary Thing.

 

[DrewPaul]

This is exactly the sort of fighting spirit that I want to see from Democratic politicians. You can't fight tyranny by taking the high road.

Having a hissy fit is the high road? What's the low road?

 

[Helix]

The federal Democrats should have passed the voting rights act. It would have helped to make the influence of regressives more proportional. As for blocking every bill, I understand why she's furious, but my guess is that this will just end up being rage bait for the scumbags who run faux to make money off of.

 

[DrewPaul]

Good luck to her, she will need it, Nebraska is trying to go full MAGA fascist and it would not surprise me to see them organize in a manner to put her family in danger.

Its not tyranny folks, its called democracy where dissenting points of view are aired and then people vote. In my opinion any surgery on individuals under 18 is child abuse. But some call my wanting to prevent child abuse tyranny.

 

[Davin]

Having a hissy fit is the high road? What's the low road?

So you thought republicans were throwing a hissy fit when they shut down the government. Good you admit that.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Here, I have a poem!

I cannot speak for all, you see,
But as for me, oh, dear me!
I do not think it right or fair
To push children to change and wear
A different gender, just for show
To please the whims of folks we know.

It's true that sometimes children feel
Like they're not quite themselves, for real.
They may feel sad or out of place,
And seek to change their outer face.
But should we rush to surgery,
To change their bodies suddenly?

No, no, we must take time to think,
And not act quickly, on a whim.
For children grow and change so fast,
And feelings may not always last.
So let us wait and see what comes,
Before we make such major sums.

And if a child is truly sure,
Then let them wait a little more.
For life is long, and many things
May change, as each new day brings
New ideas, hopes, and ways to be,
And new chances to feel free.

So let us not rush into things,
But wait, and listen, and see what springs
From deep within each child's heart,
Before we tear their world apart.
For every child deserves a chance
To be themselves, and to advance
In life, with joy and happiness,
And to find their own true path to bliss.

- ChatGPT, in the style of Dr. Seuss

Yes, I can see why you would think that "ChatGPT" and "intelligent discourse" actually mean the same thing.

 

[Loulit01]

"Don't say hi to me in the hall, don't ask me how my weekend was, don't walk by my desk and ask me anything. Don't send me Christmas cards ― take me off the list," Hunt warned. "No one in the world holds a grudge like me, and no one in the world cares less about being petty than me. I don't care. I don't like you."

Well I think she's quite pretty. And if she keeps talking I'll need a shower.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Correct. Government at all levels needs to have fewer minoritarian veto points so that a small number of narcissistic assholes can't make the entire thing grind to a halt.

Unless, of course, that "minoritarian veto" is to stop something that you don't want to see happening REGARDLESS of what the will of the majority actually is - right?

 

[Gatsby]

Your position on gay rights merely reiterates my point, which is that conservatives lost on the gay rights debate.

I'm not conservative and I support gay rights. And for that matter, I support trans people having those exact same rights. Which they do.

That's why they've moved on to The Next Scary Thing,

It is indeed a scary thing. Not just that it happens to kids (although that's scary enough), but the level of ferocity that its advocates have suddenly found for this new belief system...much of which they didn't even believe themselves a decade ago. Such that an elected representative is willing to shut down an entire state's government unless they let her mutilate her child...and we have a thread of people applauding her bravery.

You're right, that's a very scary thing. Cults usually are, especially when they harm kids.

and as always it's about protecting the kids.

Protecting kids is good. We should do that.

Do you know any trans people or parents with kids suffering gender dysphoria?

Not closely, but I used to work with a trans person. He minded his own business, and (as far as I know) never advocated transing kids.

I don't, but I also don't think that this issue just magically leapt into being once Republicans made it The Next Scary Thing.

Well, here were the stats from the UK's only "Gender Identity Development Service" for minors at Tavistock, which is thankfully being shut down due to its unethical actions.

In 2009–10, 97 patients were referred to GIDS. By 2015–16, this had increased fourteen-fold to 1,419 and in 2017–18 to 2,519.

Gender Identity Development Service - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again I should note that this was the only NHS clinic in the UK that provided this service, so they weren't going somewhere else prior to this. And a 25x increase over 8 years should be pretty strong evidence that this is a fad. If it was really just a matter of minors who were always trans being more willing to come out of the closet, then surely the increase would have been much more gradual.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Its not tyranny folks, its called democracy where dissenting points of view are aired and then people vote. In my opinion any surgery on individuals under 18 is child abuse. But some call my wanting to prevent child abuse tyranny.

Absolutely correct. The child should wait until they are 18 before making their own, adult, decision to have their inflamed and diseased appendix removed.l

 

[Cardinal]

I'm not conservative and I support gay rights. And for that matter, I support trans people having those exact same rights. Which they do.

It is indeed a scary thing. Not just that it happens to kids (although that's scary enough), but the level of ferocity that its advocates have suddenly found for this new belief system...much of which they didn't even believe themselves a decade ago. Such that an elected representative is willing to shut down an entire state's government unless they let her mutilate her child...and we have a thread of people applauding her bravery.

You're right, that's a very scary thing. Cults usually are, especially when they harm kids.

Protecting kids is good. We should do that.

Not closely, but I used to work with a trans person. He minded his own business, and (as far as I know) never advocated transing kids.

Well, here were the stats from the UK's only "Gender Identity Development Service" for minors at Tavistock, which is thankfully being shut down due to its unethical actions.

In 2009–10, 97 patients were referred to GIDS. By 2015–16, this had increased fourteen-fold to 1,419 and in 2017–18 to 2,519.

Gender Identity Development Service - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again I should note that this was the only NHS clinic in the UK that provided this service, so they weren't going somewhere else prior to this. And a 25x increase over 8 years should be pretty strong evidence that this is a fad. If it was really just a matter of minors who were always trans being more willing to come out of the closet, then surely the increase would have been much more gradual.

If you feel this strongly then I suggest talking with a trans person or parents with kids suffering from gender dysphoria. Working with a trans person who never talked about trans issues doesn't count.

 

[Gatsby]

Yes, I can see why you would think that "ChatGPT" and "intelligent discourse" actually mean the same thing.

I didn't think "not mutilating healthy children = Nazis" deserved much intelligent discourse.

 

[Gatsby]

Unless, of course, that "minoritarian veto" is to stop something that you don't want to see happening REGARDLESS of what the will of the majority actually is - right?

I already told you that I can't think of any issue where I'd want to shut down the government if I didn't get my preferred policy outcome. My answer hasn't changed since the last time you asked.