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On the Los Angeles Class:
Engine Room Lower Level, outboard each Main Condenser. No one goes back there for hours.
Engine Room Lower Level SSTG Lube Oil Bay Mezzanine. Quite Secluded.
Engine Room Aft, just forward of the ERFW pumps, cozy. Better yet, there are two access ports to the Main Engine support structure that's just great for a nap or snuggle.
Engine Room Aft, outboard the #3 and #4 R114 AC units. Good for a quicky.
Engine Room Upper Level. Nucleonics Lab. Has a door that locks.
Engine Room Upper Level. Behind the Nucleonics Labs, around the 10k Evaporator. Some quiet places, wink wink.
Engine Room Upper Level, Charging Water Storage Tank Mezzine. Nice and warm up by MS1 and MS2, and the humidity will excuse the sweaty appearance.
Engine Room Upper Level, outboard the main electrical switch gear.
Engine Room Middle Level Forward, Outboard the #2 SSTG.
Forward Compartment spaces.
Each officer has a bunk. The captain and the XO have their own staterooms.
The Fan Room deck is covered with neatly flaked out mooring lines. A padded floor, and noisy enough to cover the orgasmic moans.
Most crew have their own bunk.
The food storage room at the bottom of the Forward Escape Trunk.
The supply shack.
The torpedo room is usually quiet.
The Auxilliary Machinery Room is ideal for women who get off on CO2 Scrubbers and electrolysis machines, and especially women who like getting banged standing against a Faribanks-Morse Diesel.
The Battery Compartment for the enterprising electrician.
The radio room.
The Sonar Room.
There's LOTS of places to play hide the submarine on a submarine.
...or because your answer would be a misogynistic one.I refuse to answer this question because it's just too god damned funny.
If your analogy is an accurate one (read: no woman would qualify anyway), why are you objecting so vehemently to the idea of allowing them to apply in the first place?What if the moon was made out of cheddar cheese, would that cause an economic crash in Wisconsin?
Now this has verged into misogyny. Again - on what basis do you make this blanket generalisation?The reason is they don't fit. A submarine isn't a hunk of steel, it's a community of peers. Women don't belong in the military at the combat level, and a submarine is a combat warship.
I have seen women Aviation Ordnancemen load 500 pound bombs, 3 women, one on each end with a length of pipe screwed in, 1 in the middle guiding it.
The reason is they don't fit. A submarine isn't a hunk of steel, it's a community of peers. Women don't belong in the military at the combat level, and a submarine is a combat warship.
Damnit Scarecrow!No.
It's a submarine. When they're run by men, bad things don't happen. Letting boys and women get involved, and bad things will.
Yes, women don't have the structure to man-handle TDU weights.
That's why it's called "man"-handle.
The Left persists in this myth that there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. Well, I'm sure the Left hasn't noticed, but men and women are different.
There is a difference, but it all it means is that more men are likely to qualify for the job. That isn't a reason to deny a well-qualified (mentally and physically) woman, though.
On what grounds?
If every one of them was physically fit enough (you can call them 'amazons' if you really like), and was competant in what they did, would you still object to them crewing a sub?
I'm not suggesting we go out conscripting women. I'm suggesting that I see no reason why we should deny those who both want to do the job and would do the job well, purely because they were born with the wrong set of organs.
Only if it were economical to transport it back from said moon.What if the moon was made out of cheddar cheese, would that cause an economic crash in Wisconsin?
...or because your answer would be a misogynistic one.
But they are not all the same and you must know that................What do you do with the 100 lb woman that wants to serve on a sub>?????? dicriminate against them??????
I see nothing misogynist in the statement that the US Army does not have the facilities to train people for submarine duty.
Can anyone else point out the misogynist part in that statement?
iangb doesn't seen to be reading it carefully enough.
What do you do with the 100 lb men who want to serve on a sub?Navy Pride said:But they are not all the same and you must know that................What do you do with the 100 lb woman that wants to serve on a sub>?????? dicriminate against them??????
You didn't say 'people', you said 'women'. Big difference.Scarecrow said:I see nothing misogynist in the statement that the US Army does not have the facilities to train people for submarine duty.
Can anyone else point out the misogynist part in that statement?
iangb doesn't seen to be reading it carefully enough.
No, they wouldn't need to be amazons. They would simply need to be strong enough, just like a man would be. Essentially, it's like this: They should only have PEOPLE on the sub physically capable of performing the necessary tasks. Gender is irrelevant.Subs have P250 and P500 submersible pumps on them......they weigh about 150 lbs each.......A lot of guys can't carry them.......The only women who can would be amazons.....
I am.I've got 50 rounds of 155 MM HE that I need you to move from the ammo carrier to the Gun.
Hope you are a strong girl.
Easy fix with birth controlMy wife told me abotu the "alpha female" syndrome, where a strong female leader in a group can have an effect on other females in the group. I.E. they all PMS on HER scheduale. Now I have no clue if this is actually true, but do you REALLY want to chance a submarine where 5 days a month the women are in total bitch mode?
Many men don't either. Your point is?There are a lot of situations aboard a sub that takes physical strength....Most women don't have it...
No more than any man who is equipped to do it. Just have to hire a PERSON physically capable of performing the task.How much help is the lady Machinist's Mate going to need to do her job as the ships Air Conditioning technician?
Not all women are as strong as some men. Not all men are as strong as some men. Not all women are as weak as other women. blah blah blahBut people don't get that. It has become wrong to say that a women are not as strong as men. And that women can do the same as a man, they can't and that is considered offensive. Sometimes its the best thing to let men take care of thing like working in a sub. Gosh it boggles my mind:doh
Yes, men and women are different! SHOCKER!No.
It's a submarine. When they're run by men, bad things don't happen. Letting boys and women get involved, and bad things will.
Yes, women don't have the structure to man-handle TDU weights.
That's why it's called "man"-handle.
The Left persists in this myth that there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. Well, I'm sure the Left hasn't noticed, but men and women are different.
Umm.. yes. Would you let a 100 lb man on board who couldn't do the job? Why would you let a woman onboard who couldn't do the job? That would just be retarded.But they are not all the same and you must know that................What do you do with the 100 lb woman that wants to serve on a sub>?????? dicriminate against them??????
Right cause no one is ever in the radio or sonar rooms. And where's the rest of the crew when you made this list?
Is this sub you're talking about in a museum or something? And since when do most crewmen have their own bunks? And I know for a fact many torpedo crews sleep in the torpedo room because its one of the most spacious areas of the boat.
No, they wouldn't need to be amazons. They would simply need to be strong enough, just like a man would be. Essentially, it's like this: They should only have PEOPLE on the sub physically capable of performing the necessary tasks. Gender is irrelevant.
I am.
Easy fix with birth control
Many men don't either. Your point is?
Oh wait... your point is that maybe the PEOPLE on the sub should be physically capable of performing the necessary tasks? I agree. What does this have to do with gender, though?
No more than any man who is equipped to do it. Just have to hire a PERSON physically capable of performing the task.
Not all women are as strong as some men. Not all men are as strong as some men. Not all women are as weak as other women. blah blah blah
Some women CAN do the same as SOME men do. The only offensive thing in your statements is the sheer ignorance about the capabilities of the female form.
Yes, men and women are different! SHOCKER!
And, some women can physically perform at the same level as some men.
Umm.. yes. Would you let a 100 lb man on board who couldn't do the job? Why would you let a woman onboard who couldn't do the job? That would just be retarded.
You didn't say 'people', you said 'women'. Big difference.
Mind you, it's true that an equally big difference is saying 'army' not 'navy' :3oops:. Consider the question repeated with that ammendum.
What do you do with the 100 lb men who want to serve on a sub?
Not allowing someone to do something on the grounds that they would be rubbish is not unfair discrimination. Preventing someone who would do a good job on the grounds that they are the wrong gender is.
You didn't say 'people', you said 'women'. Big difference.
Mind you, it's true that an equally big difference is saying 'army' not 'navy' :3oops:. Consider the question repeated with that ammendum.
Navy will soon let women serve on subs
Navy will soon let women serve on subs
I think the time has come to allow women to serve in all areas of the armed services, including subs.
They probably have doctors on boards just in case someone injures himself,surely they can add baby doctor,midwife training,pediatrician and so on.:lol:So...what happens when people become pregnant? I'm not sure you can just pull the sub over and let people off.
Not all women are as strong as some men. Not all men are as strong as some men. Not all women are as weak as other women. blah blah blah
Some women CAN do the same as SOME men do. The only offensive thing in your statements is the sheer ignorance about the capabilities of the female form.
If all you're going to do is avoid answering questions, there isn't going to be that much to listen to.Scarecrow said:Now, if your understanding of submarines is so shallow (Dolphin-wearing pun intended) that you missed that error, you should stop expressing your uninformed opinions on this matter and listen politely.
You said that before, or at least words to that effect. My response now is the same as it was then - so what? Judge each individual equally, regardless of gender - you will get less women than men, but you will not be discriminating unfairly. At the moment, you are.NavyPride said:Here is a flash maybe you did not know, men are generally stronger then women......
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