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Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms

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Saw this on a military site, that I cannot link to, so....

Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms

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The email, dated October 22, reads:

ALL:

WARCOM and GROUP TWO/ONE have pushed out the uniform policy for NWU III and any patches worn on the sleeve.

All personnel are only authorized to wear the matching “AOR” American Flag patch on the right shoulder. You are no longer authorized to wear the “Don’t Tread On Me” patch.

Again the only patch authorized for wear is the American flag on the right shoulder. Please pass the word to all

Thanks

Senior Enlisted Advisor

[Name Redacted]

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This has been a tradition in the US Navy, as long as the Jack has been around. UDT wore it in WWII an the SEALS wear it to this day, or at least they did, until this came down from in high.

Jack of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Haters gonna hate.
 
The jack has become a symbol of opposition to the American government. As sad a statement as that is, it's to be expected that our servicemen will no longer be allowed to wear it.
 
I suppose it could have been worse, Obama could have ordered the SEAL's to remove the bolts from their weapons.
 
Personally, I don't think the snake looks that good. However, tradition is tradition. I am not sure why after so many years, especially after it was mandated to be flown after 9 11, that it now needs to be removed. It seems like with the budget issues, there are other battles that should be focused on. Little things like this hurt morale. Just let it be.
 
Saw this on a military site, that I cannot link to, so....

Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms

This has been a tradition in the US Navy, as long as the Jack has been around. UDT wore it in WWII an the SEALS wear it to this day, or at least they did, until this came down from in high.

This article reeks of tears, bitterness, and pettiness look at this quote:

So why would ranking SEAL commanders ban the historical symbol? Is the proverbial top bass banning the flag? Is President Obama?

Yes, President Obama is personally making changes to your uniform, for what reason it doesn't say but I can only assume its because he's an asshole or something. I guess he's doing it out of petty spite? What a garbage article from a junk website that does nothing but spoon field bull**** infantile thinkers so they don't have to actually think about anything. Its mutual masturbation, pure self pleasure, a facade of the real thing, this isn't journalism its hand job for your mind.
 
This article reeks of tears, bitterness, and pettiness look at this quote:



Yes, President Obama is personally making changes to your uniform, for what reason it doesn't say but I can only assume its because he's an asshole or something. I guess he's doing it out of petty spite? What a garbage article from a junk website that does nothing but spoon field bull**** infantile thinkers so they don't have to actually think about anything. Its mutual masturbation, pure self pleasure, a facade of the real thing, this isn't journalism its hand job for your mind.

Wiseone, you served in the Army didn't you ?

Don't you remember how the "Chain of Command" works ?

It's like the Marine's girly cover story. Marine Corps HQ's are ordered to make a public statement that CnC Obama wasn't involved in the decision to send a directive for the Corps to look for a unisex (girly) barracks cover. But Marine Corps HQ's acknowledge that they did receive a directive from the Secretary of the Navy to find a girly cover for all Marines to wear.

Who does the Secretary of the Navy directly answerers too ? The Secretary of Defense.

Who does the Secretary of Defense directly answerers too ? President Obama.



Ordering Navy SEAL's to remove the Navy's original "jack" from their uniforms came from the Oval Office. That's how the chain of command works in the U.S. military. At least that's how it worked for the past 236 years.
 
The jack has become a symbol of opposition to the American government. As sad a statement as that is, it's to be expected that our servicemen will no longer be allowed to wear it.

No. It hasn't.

You're thinking of the Gadsden Flag, not the US Navy Jack.
 
Why do we call uniforms, uniforms?

Any ideas on that?

Your snark aside, uniform patches are usually left up to the unit commander, or as long as they comply with basic regulations (AFR 35-10 in the case of the Air Force) then they can be designed and worn by a unit upon agreement of the design. The Pentagon rarely gets involved, and to my knowledge, NEVER in the case of an Official Patch depicting an Official Flag of the US, or a branch of the military. I have dozens of patches that I wore, that were not issued by the Pentagon or the White House, or even a superior command.

There's such a thing as moral. Patches on the uniform are a part of that. The ISAF patch isn't an issued patch, yet almost everyone in ISAF wears one. SOF personnel are given a hell of a lot of latitude in the patches they wear. We were able wear almost anything we wanted.

The SEALs wear a jolly roger version of the SEAL emblem in the place of the flag when on missions, if they wear any flag type patches at all:
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Sometimes they and other SOF personnel wear a patch that has the jolly roger in combination with the flag:
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Here's another example:
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You can see it worn on the uniforms here:
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And in this one, the guy on the left is a SEAL and the guy on the right is a USAF-PJ (they work with SEALs, DELTA and all other SOF's regardless of branch / look at my avatar for reference).
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Both have the US flag, but they also have additional patches as well which have not been officially sanctioned, since it isn't a requirement. Notice the A-POS for blood type and NKA for "no known allergies", the USAF-PJ has B-POS on his helmet, which is not a great place to put it. These are the most typical patches worn into a mission environment, where NVG's can see the chalk number and medics, like PJ's, can have life saving info in the field. Flags, or any damn type of patch for that matter, are not a concern to the enemy when an SOF is firing at them.

But hey, WTF do I know, since based on your response to me above, you're obviously the smartest SOB on this site?
 
This article reeks of tears, bitterness, and pettiness look at this quote:



Yes, President Obama is personally making changes to your uniform, for what reason it doesn't say but I can only assume its because he's an asshole or something. I guess he's doing it out of petty spite? What a garbage article from a junk website that does nothing but spoon field bull**** infantile thinkers so they don't have to actually think about anything. Its mutual masturbation, pure self pleasure, a facade of the real thing, this isn't journalism its hand job for your mind.

I clarified, or at least I thought I did, that I got this info from another site that I can't link to (a military site). The only place I found it when I Googled it, was the site I linked. I don't go to or read that site, so let's not use the site, or the obviously pissed guy supposedly quoted to derail the actual topic, which has nothing to do with the site I linked, or the guy it quotes, even if he exists.

The point? That the military isn't a place to implement political correctness when it comes to historical flags or phrases that are directly related to the military. The Navy Jack holds a strong place in the hearts of the Navy men and women. Killing it's ability to be worn on SOF's by upper echelons is harmful to moral. And the last thing you want, is a moral problem with people that's job is to go where EVERYONE wants to kill them, without backup or protection.

This was a dumbass order, that has already caused a HUGE uproar within the SOF community. And that's where I heard about it.
 
Wiseone, you served in the Army didn't you ?

Don't you remember how the "Chain of Command" works ?

It's like the Marine's girly cover story. Marine Corps HQ's are ordered to make a public statement that CnC Obama wasn't involved in the decision to send a directive for the Corps to look for a unisex (girly) barracks cover. But Marine Corps HQ's acknowledge that they did receive a directive from the Secretary of the Navy to find a girly cover for all Marines to wear.

Who does the Secretary of the Navy directly answerers too ? The Secretary of Defense.

Who does the Secretary of Defense directly answerers too ? President Obama.



Ordering Navy SEAL's to remove the Navy's original "jack" from their uniforms came from the Oval Office. That's how the chain of command works in the U.S. military. At least that's how it worked for the past 236 years.

Just because the President is at the top of the chain of command does not mean every decision comes from him. That's why its called a chain of command, there are different levels of command within the military structure.

Prove the order came from the White House.
 
Just because the President is at the top of the chain of command does not mean every decision comes from him. That's why its called a chain of command, there are different levels of command within the military structure.

Prove the order came from the White House.

I concur that not every decision made comes from Obama. But if it has to do with social engineering of the military, it's one of the few things Obama is is actively involved in.

For example the girly barracks cover thing. In the chain of command, the Commandant answerers directly to the Secretary of the Navy who answerers directly to the Secretary of Defense who answerers directly to the President. So your talking about only two people between the Commandant and the President.

Marine Corps HQ's said that President Obama "was not" involved with the girly cover decision. They were very likely ordered to say that. But Marine Corps HQ's did say that a directive from the Secretary of the Navy said, go with a girly "unisex" barracks cover.
Fox New went a little further and reported that an anonymous person with in the DoD said that a directive from the Obama White house said go with a girly "unisex" barracks cover.

After over four years I think most people now have learned you can't believe any thing that comes olut of the Obama White House.

And Obama seems to be completely out of the loop with every executive branch of government. Either he's completely incompetent or he's a liar and is derelict in his duties as CnC.

Note: The Organization of the Marine Corps is completely different than the U.S. Army going all the way down to the rifle squad.

The topic of this thread is that Navy SEAL's have been ordered to remove the "Navy Jack" from their utilities. That decision wasn't made by someone wearing the uniform. It was made by a civilian who answers directly to the President.

It's just another example of liberal revisionism. For 236 years that red and white striped flag with the rattle snake was the U.S. Navy's first "jack" and that what it always was until someone representing President Obama decided to politicize the "Navy Jack."

Maybe Obama has a fear of snakes ?

Now the Gadsden flag, the yellow flag with the coiled rattle snake has been around as long as the U.S. Navy's "Jack." Said to be the first official flag of the Continental Marines (U.S. Marines.)
The Tea Party movement adopted the Gadsden flag and since the Tea Party is in the best interest of the U.S. Marine Corps, Marines don't have a problem with those who support and Defend the Corps adopting their flag. No member of the Tea Party has ever told any Marines to remove the bolts from their rifles or to violate their own regulations and carry an umbrella.
 
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The article is long on accusation but short on citation. The only other references that there are on the web all go back to the single source of the author of the article.
So unless you just have a hankering for some recreational outrage, you may wish to wait before faxing your congresscritters.

Perhaps we should also note that the author cites a friend-of-a-friend as the source for why the regulation was changed.
 
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