Natural immunity

[Good4Nothin]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

 

[RAMOSS]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

Some 'experts'?? Who are these experts? Where is your source?

 

[MamboDervish]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

What does it matter which offers greater immunity when only an idiot would actually want to risk catching the disease?

 

[Fledermaus]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

A recent CDC study shows that those who have had COVID-19 and are not vaccinated, are more than twice as likely than those who are fully vaccinated to contract COVID-19 for a second time. And avoiding COVID-19 also means sidestepping any potential short or long-term side effects of the disease.

Contracting COVID-19 vs. Vaccination: Which is better for immunity?

Do you need to get vaccinated if you have already contracted and recovered from COVID-19? University of Utah Health experts say yes.

healthcare.utah.edu

 

[Helix]

The precious caught COVID and then got vaccinated. Perhaps that's something that his fans should consider.

 

[EdwinWillers]

"The Precious?"

 

[RabidAlpaca]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

We're not going to let the virus intentionally infect everyone and kill millions just because you read a conspiracy blog and don't want to take the vaccine.

Your complete lack of sources and studies tells us everything we need to know.

 

[CLAX1911]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

government institutions are going to push the vaccine because the answer to the government. The government spent billions upon billions of dollars for the vaccine so they need to justify that expenditure.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

I love the viewpoint never attribute malice to what can be attributed to incompetence. I think first and foremost the CDC simply didn't know and they went ahead and made the decision based on not knowing they made several decisions based on not knowing and now to avoid distrust they're doubling down on the decisions whether they are correct or not.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

they've been compared over and over and over to flu shots except for that's not comparison flu shots differ each year because of different strains of the flu.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

If you're having difficulty deciding who to trust fall back on the old adage first Do no harm. Not being vaccinated against kovan does no harm so that's perfectly legitimate.

Don't listen to the Kool-Aid drinkers that say that you'll spread it and you'll kill people but somehow when you spread it and it gets to the people who are sick and know your vaccinated that's okay. Just remember first Do no harm.

 

[Exquisitor]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

Trust the people who came up with a six month cure.

I dunno, could they have come up with something permanent?

I don't know if I want to be taking a shot every six months.

 

[KingLeo]

Yes, natural infection does provide some immunity, so the next time you get that disease, you won't get as sick. But here's the problem: Your first encounter with that disease could go very wrong. With COVID-19, you could end up very ill, you could end up in the hospital, or you could die. We're seeing huge rates of hospitalizations and deaths, and you don't want to risk becoming one of those statistics. And there are other potential complications: You could lose your sense of taste and smell for months, you could develop long-haul COVID-19. It's an unpredictable disease, and we don't know how it's going to hit different people.
That's where the vaccines come in. Vaccines provide protection without any of the morbidities you can get with a natural COVID-19 protection. We don't have vaccines for things like the common cold because most people don't get very sick from that, so it's not worth the effort to make different vaccines for every different cold virus. But when we see viruses or other bacteria that can cause severe illness, like COVID-19, we need the protection of a vaccine to prevent the hospitalizations and deaths. Vaccines are the reason we no longer see so many other diseases that people suffered from in the past: smallpox, measles, polio, even chicken pox.
The vaccines still lower your risks. We have evidence showing that if you've been naturally infected with COVID-19 and you aren't vaccinated, your risk of getting reinfected with symptomatic disease is about 2.5–fold higher.

 

[jmotivator]

What does it matter which offers greater immunity when only an idiot would actually want to risk catching the disease?

If you caught it and survived you have already proven it won't kill you. If you have been vaccinated and still cower in fear then you are an idiot.

There is more to life than not dying.

 

[MamboDervish]

If you caught it and survived you have already proven it won't kill you.

DUH !! Now your making my point. If you caught it and survived, who gives a **** whether you have greater immunity or not? You were already dumb enough, or unlucky enough, to catch it, and apparently don't give a shit about any long lasting or cumulative side effects from having had it.

If you have been vaccinated and still cower in fear then you are an idiot.

ROTFALMAO - what if you've never cowered in fear, been vaccinated, and continue to not cower in fear? Please don't tell me that you're dumb enough to believe that everyone who's been vaccinated was cowering in fear? If you're telling me that, I'd lose all respect for your intellect.

There is more to life than not dying.

After dying, THERE IS NO MORE TO LIFE !!

 

[jmotivator]

DUH !! Now your making my point. If you caught it and survived, who gives a **** whether you have greater immunity or not? You were already dumb enough, or unlucky enough, to catch it, and apparently don't give a shit about any long lasting or cumulative side effects from having had it.

Well, clearly that wasn't you point because your point kept going off the rails. If you caught it and survived, like 99% of the people who catch it (BTW, the CDC estimates as many as 180 million people in America have contracted COVID) then you are even better protected than the first time you beat it and survived.

As for the long lasting effects, they are not as prevalent as they might appear given that more than 75% of people who catch COVID were never seen diagnosed, and so can't be adequately accounted for in studies of long term effects. Also, a portion of those long term effects are more a matter of treatment, than the disease directly.

ROTFALMAO - what if you've never cowered in fear, been vaccinated, and continue to not cower in fear? Please don't tell me that you're dumb enough to believe that everyone who's been vaccinated was cowering in fear? If you're telling me that, I'd lose all respect for your intellect.

I'm vaccinated. I know the people who are cowering in fear, I see them every single day. Everyone who is enraged at other people's medical choices do so out of fear. We've created a bunch of hypochondriac Karens.

After dying, THERE IS NO MORE TO LIFE !!

*** WHOOOOOOOOOSH!! ***

 

[MamboDervish]

Well, clearly that wasn't you point because your point kept going off the rails.

Clearly it was, and I never left the rails. "What does it matter which offers greater immunity . . . . . . "

If you caught it and survived, like 99% of the people who catch it (BTW, the CDC estimates as many as 180 million people in America have contracted COVID) then you are even better protected than the first time you beat it and survived.

There are only a few possibilities in play here. Opting to not get vaccinated because catching it gives you greater immunity from it is the idiot's path.

If a person is willing to endure all the risks of catching it in the first place, then who gives a **** if it leads to greater immunity !!!???!!!

Capiche ??

As for the long lasting effects, they are not as prevalent as they might appear given that more than 75% of people who catch COVID were never seen diagnosed, and so can't be adequately accounted for in studies of long term effects. Also, a portion of those long term effects are more a matter of treatment, than the disease directly.

Just more rolling the dice.

I'm vaccinated.

Good!

I know the people who are cowering in fear, I see them every single day.

I don't know anyone who's cowering in fear. I don't believe I've ever met one. You must live in a dramatic community.

Everyone who is enraged at other people's medical choices do so out of fear.

Assumes facts not in evidence. All the people I know who've expressed any opinion about other people's medical choices do so because they believe that 1) the spikes in infection rates seriously task emergency rooms and risk other people's lives in completely unrelated cases, 2) the longer it takes for everyone to get vaccinated, the longer the damned thing is with us, and 3) the longer the damned thing is with us, the more opportunity it has to morph into yet another more virulent variant. Not because anyone is cowering in fear.

*** WHOOOOOOOOOSH!! ***

***SPLAAAAAAAAT!!***

 

[Ginger Ale]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

What's your point? Ditch all our vaccines and do as nature intends? Does that extend to medications? Operations? Prevention?
All this so that drug companies, and healthcare product manufactures can't make money?

 

[Mycroft]

What's your point? Ditch all our vaccines and do as nature intends? Does that extend to medications? Operations? Prevention?
All this so that drug companies, and healthcare product manufactures can't make money?

The OP's last paragraph presented his point. Here, I'll quote it: "Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts."

The OP doesn't say a thing about "Ditch all our vaccines and do as nature intends?". This is about who to believe.

In my opinion, the OP raises a valid question...who DO we believe? Do we believe a government agency who motives might be suspect? Do we believe every so-called expert who gets the ear of the media. Heck...does anyone want to believe Fauci? Or maybe we should go the social media route...let someone else tell us who is telling the truth and who is feeding us "misinformation"?

For myself, I'll do what I always do: Look at as much information as I can get my hands on...whether someone else calls it misinformation or not...and make up my own mind. For me, the job was easy. I've never had COVID and I've never been tested, so I have no idea if I have natural immunity or not. Since I'm in the at risk age group and I have heart issues, it's a no-brainer. Get the vaccine to be as safe as possible.

My point...and my answer to the OP...is this: Don't be a sheep. Get as much information as you can. Make up your own mind.

 

[bluesmoke]

Another RW OP of mis/disinformation, denying science, disengaged from rational thought, and pushing death.

 

[americanwoman]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

You trusted them enough to take the vaccine.

I'm sure you trust them enough to avoid onions from Mexico right now or do you believe in natural immunity from salmonella too?

 

[OrphanSlug]

I am still waiting for our friends on the right to define natural immunity, and more importantly what it takes to get there.

 

[bongsaway]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

Lol, it's a lie, everything is a lie, don't believe anything. Vaccines bad, natural immunity good. Trump taught y'all well, don't believe anything.

 

[Mongidig]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

The problem is too many people have trusted people like you and have ended up dead.

I don’t trust the Government or big Pharma. I certainly don’t trust the Qanoners.

The only thing you should do is trust what you see. I see billions of shots in arms with good results.The nutballs will tell you people are dying from the vaccine. Out of all my friends, co workers, Facebook friends etc. I haven’t heard of one bad event from getting the shot. I haven’t seen one local news story reporting someone died from the vaccine. I see people who are unvaccinated getting severely ill or dying from C19. I hear about this daily.

I’m sure you have heard bad things about the vaccine because that’s all you look for. I’m sure you are friends with like minded people. I get not trusting the government but at some point you have to use some common sense.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

What does it matter which offers greater immunity when only an idiot would actually want to risk catching the disease?

What idiot would risk serious illness, potentially die just to get a potentially better immunity to the same virus that a vaccine can provide. Which does not get you sick

 

[MamboDervish]

What idiot would risk serious illness, potentially die just to get a potentially better immunity to the same virus that a vaccine can provide. Which does not get you sick

Exactly my point - which is apparently beyond their grasp. If you remain un-vaccinated, you're willing to catch the disease. If you're willing to catch the disease anyway, then you already don't give a shit about greater immunity - unless you're a complete idiot.

"I want to have greater immunity from the disease - so I'll catch it!" - said nobody with more than half a working brain . . . . . ever!

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Exactly my point - which is apparently beyond their grasp. If you remain un-vaccinated, you're willing to catch the disease. If you're willing to catch the disease anyway, then you already don't give a shit about greater immunity - unless you're a complete idiot.

"I want to have greater immunity from the disease - so I'll catch it!" - said nobody with more than half a working brain . . . . . ever!

Unfortunately there seems to be a whole lot of idiots who seem to be pushing for “ natural immunity “

I wish they would push for “ natural ways to fly” the safer way, rather than untested man made ways to fly

 

[Gaius46]

While the CDC and the medical mainstream continues to insist the vaccines are better protection than immunity acquired from being infected, some experts say the opposite.

Let's think about why the CDC might be wrong (or even <gasp> lying). The vaccines only expose the immune system to the spike protein, while a natural infection exposes the immune system to the whole virus. Natural immunity results in more information, and when variant viruses come along the immune system might have a better chance of recognizing them.

Now why on earth would the CDC, etc., lie to us? Well maybe the government medical agencies like the drug companies and want to see them doing well.

Some people are also claiming that being vaccinated interferes with your body's ability to become permanently immune to covid. They say if you got a vaccine you may need booster vaccines for the rest of your life. Now, that sounds like a wonderful deal for the vaccine makers.

Who can we trust? The experts who disagree with the CDD, etc., or the government and its friends the drug companies? I think whoever is selling something has more reason to distort the facts.

The other side of that argument is that the spike protein is what makes a coronavirus a coronavirus. So the immune system is primed to potentially recognize any virus with a spike protein.

On the other hand via the natural immunity route your body may wind up only recognizing a set of characteristics that are specific to that particular variant.

It’s an unanswered question at this point though the vaccine argument, at least in paper, is quite strong and the data so far seems to support it.

That said acquiring immunity by infection is, for the majority of people, a stupid ass strategy though in my opinion people who have gotten natural immunity should be counted as on par with vaccinated people until the evidence says otherwise.