NATO Response Force activated for first time

[bomberfox]

View attachment 67376888

Now that's a hat.

A hat and a wig in one how nifty!

 

[ClaraD]

I need to correct it, it's there former president. Sorry about that. Still, bad ass!

Former Ukrainian President is Armed on The Streets of Kyiv

townhall.com

Yes, this president is still in the country. He sent his wife and kids to safety as most have done...but he said he will stay the course...even if they kill him. Though Russia is not just toe walking through and the media is educating the population on guerilla warfare

 

[ClaraD]

Wouldn't it have made sense to do this months ago as we saw what Putin was up to? That fool in the White House has told use for many weeks that sanctions were going to deter Putin from an incursion into Ukraine, or at least maybe it would only be a minor incursion. He said this over and over, it's all over youtube. Then today he told us "sanctions were never believed to be a deterrent to Putin".
How can anyone like this guy or believe he has any idea of what he is doing.
Now his "black woman" pick for the SCOTUS isn't even the most qualified on his list. She is the most progressive.
Again, Biden isn't trying to unite the nation with compromise or moderation. He's setting upon his stated goal of being the most progressive President in history.

We cannot pre emptively act on everything. Biden sounded the alarms on this and none of you believed him.

 

[sanman]

By swallowing Ukraine, the Russians draw up to those borders.

The Russians asked for a neutral Ukraine, but the hawks now lording over the West refused. The warmongers inside Washington DC are even destroying America from the inside, playing divide-and-rule there through deliberately divisive identity politics, and even trying to oust their own president by falsely calling him a stooge of Russia after he dared to challenge support for NATO. Even America's Supreme Court is now being subverted. Imperialist warmongering is eroding America's own national institutions, and replacing them with institutions of empire. The American people must wake up before it's too late.

 

[sanman]

So you believe that bull shit Russia is claiming and you empathize because you're under the same delusion here in America because of lockdowns for a ****ing pandemic. You wouldn't know iron handed rule if it bit you in the ass. Sounds like you'll believe anything. Good luck with that brain ****.

Look who's talking. Are you Victoria Nuland's sister-in-law? There was clearly an undemocratic coup inside Ukraine in 2014, and that's what's led to the current crisis. Your inability to see such an obvious thing shows how blind and naive you are.

 

[highroller]

Remember when Trump wanted to leave NATO?

 

[sanman]

Remember when Trump wanted to leave NATO?

You mean The Day Before the Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax was Launched?

Because NATO is like the Mafia -- you don't get to leave. Trump was found to be a Wiseguy.

The Lords of War said, "We've got a Wiseguy here -- time to get rid of him -- he's gotta go"

America is proclaimed to be the leader of NATO, when in reality America is NATO's vassal state.

 

[NewfieMom]

The Russians asked for a neutral Ukraine, but the hawks now lording over the West refused. The warmongers inside Washington DC are even destroying America from the inside, playing divide-and-rule there through deliberately divisive identity politics, and even trying to oust their own president by falsely calling him a stooge of Russia after he dared to challenge support for NATO. Even America's Supreme Court is now being subverted. Imperialist warmongering is eroding America's own national institutions, and replacing them with institutions of empire. The American people must wake up before it's too late.

But Ukraine has a right to determine its own course. Why should Russia get to determine its course? And why are you so sensitive to the feelings of Russia, worrying about how threatened it will feel with NATO on its borders? How do you think Ukraine feels with Russia on its borders threatening it?

 

[NewfieMom]

Remember when Trump wanted to leave NATO?

Well, he was Putin's lover. Of course he hated NATO! Fascist bastard.

 

[sanman]

But Ukraine has a right to determine its own course.

That's right Victoria -- and that's why the US should have never intervened to cause regime change there in the first place:

Why should Russia get to determine its course? And why are you so sensitive to the feelings of Russia, worrying about how threatened it will feel with NATO on its borders? How do you think Ukraine feels with Russia on its borders threatening it?

The more relevant question is - why should Neo-Con/Neo-Lib warmongers in the US (the same people who invaded Iraq) decide Ukraine's fate?
And by the way, one third of Ukraine's population is Russian. We're talking about people born and raised in Ukraine for centuries.
The Yanuckovitch govt was a democratically elected govt --democratically elected by all. But because some people Washington didn't like him, they organized a Capital Insurrection street coup to throw him out of power, and that was very undemocratic.

 

[Ren]

Great. 1 step closer to WWIII.

Happy yet, Putzin?

China's certainly happy. Get the other two Super Powers going at each other and then they can come in and sweep up.

 

[MTAtech]

The Russians asked for a neutral Ukraine, but the hawks now lording over the West refused. The warmongers inside Washington DC are even destroying America from the inside, playing divide-and-rule there through deliberately divisive identity politics, and even trying to oust their own president by falsely calling him a stooge of Russia after he dared to challenge support for NATO. Even America's Supreme Court is now being subverted. Imperialist warmongering is eroding America's own national institutions, and replacing them with institutions of empire. The American people must wake up before it's too late.

Thanks for parroting Russian talking points.

President Zelinskyy’s predecessor was a corrupt stooge of Putin. The people elected Zelinskyy.

The fact is, Russia doesn’t have a right to dictate policy to Ukraine under threat of invasion. Putin first said that the two provinces wanted to be part of Russia and it would end there. It was a lie, in a string of lies and now we see Russia fully intent on making Ukraine a Russian colony.

The people dividing America are the Trump cultists, that can’t even admit that our last election was fair and they lost.

 

[sanman]

Thanks for parroting Russian talking points.

What Russian talking points? All you do is react to any points someone has made, by calling them Russian.

Every point that you can't argue, is called a Russian talking point.

Pointing out the ridiculous corruption of the latest appointment to the US Supreme Court will be called a Russian talking point by you.

President Zelinskyy’s predecessor was a corrupt stooge of Putin. The people elected Zelinskyy.

Yanuckovitch was democratically elected by elections held across the whole of Ukraine.

Zelensky wasn't elected by all of Ukraine. The Eastern part didn't participate -- nor did he want them to, since they wouldn't have voted for him.

Zelensky has imprisoned political opposition leaders and has shut down media criticizing him.

That's not a democratic leader. That's a despot.

The fact is, Russia doesn’t have a right to dictate policy to Ukraine under threat of invasion. Putin first said that the two provinces wanted to be part of Russia and it would end there. It was a lie, in a string of lies and now we see Russia fully intent on making Ukraine a Russian colony.

The people dividing America are the Trump cultists, that can’t even admit that our last election was fair and they lost.

The fact is that neither do warmongers in Washington have the right to effect regime change in Ukraine, especially sitting so far away from the other side of the Atlantic.

Clinton was the first to carve out Kosovo's territory from the country of Serbia and declare it an independent country. That set an ugly precedent. The fact that Serbs were equally victims of human rights violations along with everyone else, and yet this was totally glossed over by the Clinton admin, was very telling. Washington warmongers love to cook up their fake narratives.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Wouldn't it have made sense to do this months ago as we saw what Putin was up to? That fool in the White House has told use for many weeks that sanctions were going to deter Putin from an incursion into Ukraine, or at least maybe it would only be a minor incursion. He said this over and over, it's all over youtube. Then today he told us "sanctions were never believed to be a deterrent to Putin".
How can anyone like this guy or believe he has any idea of what he is doing.
Now his "black woman" pick for the SCOTUS isn't even the most qualified on his list. She is the most progressive.
Again, Biden isn't trying to unite the nation with compromise or moderation. He's setting upon his stated goal of being the most progressive President in history.

No it wouldn't make any sense to do that months ago. Mobilizing and deploying an elite armed force in the absence of conflict could well be interpreted as an act of aggression and a reckless escalation. Biden never claimed that sanctions would stop Putin from invading Ukraine. In fact his calling for American citizens and nonessential diplomatic personnel and their families to exit Ukraine while moving other US embassy diplomats out of Kiev indicated that he, US/military Intelligence, believed that Putin was preparing for a full scale invasion of Ukraine. He was saying that before anyone else was weeks ago. In fact his Biden's blunt and dire assessment of the situation on the Ukraine border frustrated Zelensky who was doing what he could to tamp down fear among the citizens. But regrettably Biden and US intelligence was right all along about what Putin's true intentions were toward Ukraine.

And really what makes Jackson so 'progressive' in Senator Lindsey Graham eyes other than her not being from his beloved South Carolina? And Biden is certainly not cut from progressive cloth. Why else do you think the progressives in the democratic party get so frustrated with him sometimes?

 

[SMTA]

That's right Victoria -- and that's why the US should have never intervened to cause regime change there in the first place:










The more relevant question is - why should Neo-Con/Neo-Lib warmongers in the US (the same people who invaded Iraq) decide Ukraine's fate?
And by the way, one third of Ukraine's population is Russian. We're talking about people born and raised in Ukraine for centuries.
The Yanuckovitch govt was a democratically elected govt --democratically elected by all. But because some people Washington didn't like him, they organized a Capital Insurrection street coup to throw him out of power, and that was very undemocratic.

Yet again we never learned from the debacle with the Shah of Iran
Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it

 

[sanman]

Yet again we never learned from the debacle with the Shah of Iran
Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it

And perhaps to repeat it in worse and worse ways, since warfare is getting progressively deadlier.

 

[Grasshopper121212]

Better to be safe than sorry. But I don't believe Putin is crazy enough to attack
a NATO nation? If he would my guess there would be many cruise missiles knocking on his door!
From land and sea.

Not alone. But, he has China backing him now...

 

[Grasshopper121212]

The NATO Response Force is going to be deployed. It is currently on standby. It will not be used to fight Russia in Ukraine. It is being activated as a defensive measure to protect the member states of NATO given the wide scope of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. In my opinion, it is prudent.

"For the first time, the NATO Response Force has been activated as a defensive measure in response to Russia's ongoing invasion of Ukraine.
NATO Supreme Allied Commander Gen. Tod Wolters activated the multinational force consisting of land, air, sea and special operations forces from the allies that can deploy quickly in support of the NATO alliance.
The activation of the response troops does not mean that any US or NATO troops will go into Ukraine, which is not a member. US President Joe Biden has been clear that US troops are deploying to eastern Europe to help bolster NATO countries nervous about Russia's aggressive actions, and they will not be fighting in Ukraine.

'This is an historic moment and the very first time the Alliance has employed these high readiness forces in a deterrence and defense role. They represent a flexible, combat credible force that can be employed in multiple ways and we are utilizing fully their inherent agility,' Wolters said in a statement 'These deterrence measures are prudent and enhance our speed, responsiveness and capability to shield and protect the one billion citizens we swore to protect.'

The force has not yet deployed but is on standby. It's not clear how many troops the response force will contain."

NATO Response Force activated for first time | CNN Politics

For the first time, the NATO Response Force has been activated as a defensive measure in response to Russia's ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

www.cnn.com

Not enough. China is also supporting Russia. That way, China can take over Taiwan, Japan and the rest of the East.

 

[Phys251]

The Russians asked for a neutral Ukraine, but the hawks now lording over the West refused. The warmongers inside Washington DC are even destroying America from the inside, playing divide-and-rule there through deliberately divisive identity politics, and even trying to oust their own president by falsely calling him a stooge of Russia after he dared to challenge support for NATO. Even America's Supreme Court is now being subverted. Imperialist warmongering is eroding America's own national institutions, and replacing them with institutions of empire. The American people must wake up before it's too late.

^ This is what Russian propaganda looks like.

Ukraine does not need permission from anybody. It should be free to ally with the West if it so chooses. The Russians are the clear aggressors here.

 

[braindrain]

I would support nato giving the Ukraine's air support to make it a fair fight. Europe should lay air cover to the Ukrainian troops and allow them to fight to protect their homes.

Tying Russia up in this war benefits the rest of us.

Honestly what do you think the response from Russia will be to that. How far are you willing to rush letting things go.

 

[trouble13]

Honestly what do you think the response from Russia will be to that. How far are you willing to rush letting things go.

As far as I just stated

 

[Atreus21]

Great. 1 step closer to WWIII.

Happy yet, Putzin?

I prefer Putler myself.

 

[sanman]

^ This is what Russian propaganda looks like.

I am not a Russian, Trump is not a Russian, Paul Manafort is not a Russian, Tucker Carlson is not a Russian -- all kinds of people you want to call Russian bots having nothing to do with Russia.

Ukraine does not need permission from anybody. It should be free to ally with the West if it so chooses. The Russians are the clear aggressors here.

NATO should not be admitting countries just because they apply. What happens if Somalia applies to be in NATO - do they just get in? Hell no.

NATO should only be admitting countries that would benefit the organization, and not be a liability like Ukraine.

NATO should only be admitting countries that have a clearcut track record of democracy, and that is not the case with Ukraine's current govt.

There are very sharp differences of opinions among the people in Ukraine. There are people who strongly oppose being in NATO. Remember, one third of the population is Russian.

Zelensky has imprisoned political opposition leaders for opposing his politics, and he has likewise shut down media criticizing him.

This is not a democracy, and NATO should not admit countries that are undemocratic and have govts that engage in domestic coercion.

 

[Phys251]

I am not a Russian, Trump is not a Russian, Paul Manafort is not a Russian, Tucker Carlson is not a Russian -- all kinds of people you want to call Russian bots having nothing to do with Russia.

I said that your propaganda was Russian. Not you. Work on your reading skills.

NATO should not be admitting countries just because they apply. What happens if Somalia applies to be in NATO - do they just get in? Hell no.

NATO should only be admitting countries that would benefit the organization, and not be a liability like Ukraine.

NATO should only be admitting countries that have a clearcut track record of democracy, and that is not the case with Ukraine's current govt.

There are very sharp differences of opinions among the people in Ukraine. There are people who strongly oppose being in NATO. Remember, one third of the population is Russian.

Zelensky has imprisoned political opposition leaders for opposing his politics, and he has likewise shut down media criticizing him.

This is not a democracy, and NATO should not admit countries that are undemocratic and have govts that engage in domestic coercion.

^ More Russian propaganda. If Ukraine wants to join the West, they should be free to without being invaded by Russia.

 

[sanman]

I said that your propaganda was Russian. Not you. Work on your reading skills.

And how are my arguments Russian propaganda? How are they coming into my head? Is Putin beaming them there by satellite?

Stop trying to show how so-called liberals can be the worst McCarthyites of all.

^ More Russian propaganda. If Ukraine wants to join the West, they should be free to without being invaded by Russia.

If Ukraine wants not to join the West - as per its fully democratically elected govt - then it should be free not to do so, instead of being subjected to a regime change coup as happened in 2014.

US Undersecretary Victoria Nuland is no friend of America's. She choreographed the regime change in Kiev in 2014. She's a Democrat warmonger married to a Republican Neo-Con warmonger Larry Kagan, a key advocate of the Bush admin's invasion of Iraq, which you liberals pretend to have opposed.



(Note that David Frum is a former speechwriter for George Bush, whom your side claim to have opposed.)