Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreement

[Grand Mal]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

To be fair, our poverty line is artificially high. Our pooor enjoy cable tv, internet, ebt cards, Medicaid, and one or two family cars.

You pretty sure it's different in France? The poverty threshold there is 645 Euros per month. That's about $730 per person per month.
From the article...
"The French poverty threshold is slightly higher than that of the United States,[7] suggesting that some who would be considered living in poverty in France would not be if they had the same income in the United States"

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

For instance, Elon Musk of SpaceX stood to benefit financially from some of the subsidies involved in the Paris Accord.

Exactly my point. It's about the money.

 

[BillRM]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Exactly my point. It's about the money.

Nonsense unless you are talking about Trump and his family and hangers on.

The first president in modern times that did not placed his assets into a blind trust or release his tax records for that matter and who family members are having secret meetings with Russians.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Full headline: An alliance of the nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreement

As Trump continues to abandon global leadership, states and cities appear willing to pick up the slack. As of now three states -- Washington, California and New York -- have created an alliance to commit to the goals of the Paris Accord, and the governor of Oregon has likewise released a statement committing to it, so she'll probably join in soon enough. One could reasonably expect other states such as Massachusetts and Vermont to join in short time as well. In fact, if one were to look at the list of states by gdp, the largest ones are mostly blue and could help to bring the country as a whole up to the levels of the Paris Accord without the help of the poorest states, which with only a few exceptions are invariably red.

Additionally, 85 mayors from major cities around the country have committed to the Paris Accord. These cities are reasonably spread throughout the country, red and blue alike.

Macron expressed his disappointment with "the United States Federal Government," pointedly observing that it was Trump and not the American people who approved of pulling out of the Paris Accord, and he may be right.

It can't be understated how important this is to the economy of the United States (to say nothing of the environment), because leaders of European countries (France, Germany and Italy) have responded to Trump's declaration to "renegotiate" the Paris Accord by vowing that all further negotiations are off the table. What this means is that as we continue to isolate ourselves from global trade and military alliances, other nations will most likely put in place environmental standards as a precondition for future trade deals.



US Climate Alliance may hinder Trump's vow to exit Paris climate deal - Business Insider
https://medium.com/@ClimateMayors/c...ld-paris-climate-agreement-goals-ba566e260097
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...enegotiated/0lH3rowhqv7TtQynlx7S1J/story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gross_State_Product_(GSP)

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Exactly the way it should be! You're coming around now to the Republican way - less federal government, let the states and localities decide. Welcome aboard. By the way, Trump didn't pull out of green technology, he pulled out of the Paris Agreement.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Nonsense unless you are talking about Trump and his family and hangers on.

The first president in modern times that did not placed his assets into a blind trust or release his tax records for that matter and who family members are having secret meetings with Russians.

LOL!!

You simply CAN'T stay on one topic, can you?

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Good for him. Warmers should raise their own money to fund the global warming industry. I support that 100%.

Yep. Trump's strategy is working already.

 

[Moderate Right]

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Pulling out of the Paris Accord was a symbolic act, therefore it's probably immaterial whether or not the cities and states call what they're doing the "Paris Accord." So long as they abide by the goals of the Paris Accord, that is an important step. So as trump's move was symbolic, the climate alliance would fill the dual purpose of continuing to make strides for the environment while nullifying the symbolic act. (Obviously the former is of graver importance than the latter).

The Paris Accord was symbolic itself. That's why pulling out of it was nothing more than symbolic.

 

[Carjosse]

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To be fair, our poverty line is artificially high. Our pooor enjoy cable tv, internet, ebt cards, Medicaid, and one or two family cars.

You mean things required to function in American society? Also Medicaid and EBT cards are meant to help people in poverty so I have no idea how that artificially inflates the poverty line. Just because you have those things does not make you not poor.

 

[Carjosse]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

The Paris Accord was symbolic itself. That's why pulling out of it was nothing more than symbolic.

And that symbolism is that America cannot be trusted for international cooperation.

 

[Aberration]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

You said: "I find it funny that Democrats resort to Republicanism when they don't get their way. Kind of ironic."

How is this "resorting to Republicanism" and how is it "ironic?"

Jesus man. It's pretty darn simple. State and local action.


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[Moderate Right]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

And that symbolism is that America cannot be trusted for international cooperation.

International cooperation means America footing most of the bill.

 

[ttwtt78640]

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And that symbolism is that America cannot be trusted for international cooperation.

Yep, the USA cannot be trusted to act as the world's piggy bank for purposes of withdrawal only.

 

[ludin]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Will they pony up the financial assistance to be given to other nations by raising their taxation?

Actually they can't. by federal law a state cannot in any way abide by an internation treaty.
now they can impose all the sanctions they want on their own people (stupid if you ask me),
but they cannot give state money to another national country from my understanding.

 

[ludin]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Eh, it doesn't really short circuit the vow at all.

Individual states agreeing to adhere to the Paris Accords in no way, shape, or form causes the Federal Government...and thus all the jurisdictions within it...to also be bound to the accord. Trump's vow was not that no portion of the United States would be part of the Paris Accords, it would be that he would pull us out from it; and he did.

While undoubtedly, given the man-child that he is, Trump will be perturbed and angry that States aren't agreeing with his brilliance and following suit, that doesn't change the fact that their adherence to the accord doesn't invalidate his vow or his action. The two things are not incompatible notions.

I'm still of the opinion that treaties and agreements such as these should not be entered into by fiat of an Executive...specifically due to the fact that they can be broken so easily after OR because breaking them is treated so direly making the ability for an executive to unilaterally enter into them an extremely powerful one...but rather something that the legislative branch has a significant role in. That said, on a state level, if this is something that a state legislature or executive wants to agree to then that is that's state's prerogative, and ultimately it will be the voters of that state that will have to weigh that fact as it relates to future elections.

treaties are not supposed to be, however Obama knew for a fact that he couldn't get it pushed through the senate to ratify it so he did it on his own.
which I said before is not worth the paper it was written on.

states themselves cannot agree to a foreign treaty that is outside their powers.

 

[BillRM]

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The Paris Accord was symbolic itself. That's why pulling out of it was nothing more than symbolic.

you are both right and wrong as pulling out is symbolic but it is another nail in our standings in the world.

 

[Carjosse]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

International cooperation means America footing most of the bill.

Because it is comparatively larger and well developed.

 

[Anthony60]

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I would not be too surprise to see in the near future by the sane states a constitution convention movement to discontinuance the Federal government or at least to kicked out the red states from the union.

Uhhh... sorry, but it's the crap by the blue States that is causing the need to restrain the federal government.

 

[ludin]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Because it is comparatively larger and well developed.

which means absolutely nothing.
The parris deal was as bad as the last one.

it had us paying and shipping a ton of wealth to other nations
that had 0 obligation to do anything with the money.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

And that symbolism is that America cannot be trusted for international cooperation.

Not when said Accords are attempting to pull a fast one on America. The Paris Accord is a globalist Ponzi scheme. They avoided calling it a Treaty, because they knew it would never be ratified by the US Senate. My bet is that despite all of the brave talk by the Europeans, the Paris Accord will slowly implode just as the Kyoto Protocol did.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Jesus man. It's pretty darn simple. State and local action.


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You have no real idea what you mean, do you?

 

[MAGAnificent]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

you are both right and wrong as pulling out is symbolic but it is another nail in our standings in the world.

In my opinion pulling out of the Paris Accord raises our standing in the world. We no longer look like a patsy that can be suckered into any international Ponzi scheme that's thrown at us.

 

[reinoe]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Not when said Accords are attempting to pull a fast one on America. The Paris Accord is a globalist Ponzi scheme. They avoided calling it a Treaty, because they knew it would never be ratified by the US Senate. My bet is that despite all of the brave talk by the Europeans, the Paris Accord will slowly implode just as the Kyoto Protocol did.

Without the U.S. pumping money into the slush fund, it'll dissolve pretty quickly.

 

[Hawkeye10]

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Depowering nation/states still further is the LAST thing the global elite should be looking at doing.

But then again they aint too bright.

 

[MAGAnificent]

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Because it is comparatively larger and well developed.

The problem is that the concept of the Paris Accord is insanely stupid. For instance it want's America to cut down on it's clean coal production right away while China cranks up it's dirty coal production until 2030. That has a net effect of increasing the emissions the Accord claims to want to cut.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Re: Nation's biggest states could short-circuit Trump's vow to leave the Paris Agreem

Without the U.S. pumping money into the slush fund, it'll dissolve pretty quickly.

Exactly.