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Nasty Rhetoric and witch hunts in the air.

Nasty? Burr and Hamilton shot at each other with pistols. True quote from Jackson : "I have only two regrets: I didn't shoot Henry Clay and I didn't hang John C. Calhoun." Calhoun was his VP!

Our politics today are rather tame if you want the truth.
 
Bull.Him and Bill Mahr are both smarter than anyone on FOX news. Abortion is a right. Don't let the Jesus freaks have their way on anything. I don't like abortion but anything the Jesus freaks are for I am against. Abortion is an evil necessity ans should not be abused. This is America and we are not a hierarchy.

Bold: really? Maybe you should check what that word means and compare it to a governmental structure.
 
The far right is in a frenzy. The GOP has swung way too far to the right and they are acting like the mad dogs they are.They are constantly trying to drag us back to the past. I do not want to return to those times but many of those right wingers seem to.


Other countries respected us in days gone by. We should go back to the way things were decades ago.
 
Is your memory really that short, or are you too young to remember the vitriol leveraged against President Bush from day one of his first term? There isn't one derogatory thing said about President Obama by the right that wasn't matched, if not exceeded, by the things said about Bush by the left.

Good point. When conservatives begin mentally masturbating to movies that accuse President Obama of mass-murdering thousands of American citizens and getting assassinated, let me know.
 
I would advise you all read the article in fortune magazine( I am still learning how to use this iPad so I haven't figured how to do links yet) it's accessible online it tells the truth of what really happened with fast and furious! Issa and the house members are all distorting and making stuff up! It is truley a shameful display of partisan witch hunt! As the truth comes out I am certain the American people will vote out all these ridiculous GOP clowns who make a mockery of what Our democracy is all about, the lies are breathtaking and blatant and beyond the pale these sorry excuses for government representatives are an embarrassment to our country!
 
Is it just me or is this getting really nasty? It seems like everything the President does is an outrage for the right wing. Every time He tries to take credit for something good He had done or attemted to do the right is up in arms and trying to create a witch hunt. It is the GOP's right to disagree with the President but it is getting really old when they first block or filibuster everything the President tries to fix the economy and the have the nerve to say the economy is His fault. The fact the right wing deserves as much if not more blame for the economy going bad as the President but when He brings this up the GOP screams "All He does is blame Bush". Well I have news for my right wing friends. GW Bush does deserve plenty of blame and you all know it. Every time the President tries to take some well deserved credit for His victorys in the war against terror the right wing screams "He is doing a endzone dance" and then try to create a witch hunt for leaking infomation to the press. The fact is many presidents in the past have leaked select infomation to make theselves look good so stop your whining. Fast and furious has been going on for 12 years in one form or another and do you right wingers really think this is all Holders fault? The fact is those drug dealers would have been armed anyway and officer Terry would have been just as dead either way. I just think you right wingers are just hunting for outrage and are just about bringing this President down with any witch hunt you can create. The bottom line is enough is enough. We all understand you right wingers hate the President for whatever reason. Us left wingers have disliked plenty of GOP presidents ourselves but this crap is rising to the point of hysteria and is getting out of hand. I think you know you have nominated a stiff and you are trying to make up for it with all this witch hunt BS. Stop it already.
It started in April of 2001.
 
Obama's DEA ****ed up in a huge way; they deserve to be hung out to dry and frankly Obama should bear a big brunt. The DEA is one big sh!tshow anyways, and the sooner the DEA gets shut down, the better. Why don't we here the GOP talking about THIS waste of taxpayer dollars, the giant black hole of stupid aka the DEA.

LOL Way to act like a crazed partisan. How exactly did the DEA F up?
Was it by tracking suspected gun buying strawmen and trying to get them arrested?
Or are you blaming them for the weak gun laws that made what those strawmen did perfectly legal in the eyes of every prosecutor they asked for indictments?
Don't tell me your saying you wanted them to sieze all those guns even if the perps did nothing illegal in the eyes of the law? That can't possibly be a Liberatrian stance can it? The only mistake they made was thinking that selling guns to the Mexican cartels was illegal in Arizona. They found out it was impossible to prove intent, even when welfare recipients bought $20,000 worth of guns at a pop. If you want to stop this then CHANGE THE LAWS to make strawmen prosecutable.
Any way you slice it the whole thing is a trumped up bunch of hooey to back up a ludirous conspiracy theory that only "tinfoil hats" could believe..
Thank goodness it will be all over Thursday with that meaningless vote by the meaningless House. It was cute of Boehner to schedule the vote on the day the Court decides the HC bill.
Even he knows it is not something you want to be a top news story. They're just kissing some NRA ass.....move along, nothing to see here.
 
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Tell me that's a joke. You aren't seriously posting Jon Stewart as a reference, are you?

'Ya know, it does speak to something if people are now getting their news from the Comedy Channel and their comedy from the FOX News Channel. Just sayin'. :mrgreen:
 
'Ya know, it does speak to something if people are now getting their news from the Comedy Channel and their comedy from the FOX News Channel. Just sayin'. :mrgreen:

In fact a recent study found that Daily Show viewers are better informed than Fox News viewers. Of course they also found that people who watch no news shows at all are better informed than Fox News viewers!
 
Is it just me or is this getting really nasty? It seems like everything the President does is an outrage for the right wing. Every time He tries to take credit for something good He had done or attemted to do the right is up in arms and trying to create a witch hunt.

Welcome to politics.

Clinton was the nastiest we had seen in a long time.

Then we got Bush, and that was the nastiest we had seen in a long time.

Then we got Obama, and THIS is the nastiest we have seen in a long time.

And guess what...when we get Romney, it's likely going to be more of the same.

That's sadly the age of politics we live in and it's going to take some kind of major shake up to change that. People point that there's been a "record" number of fillibuster's used during Obama's term. And that's true. However, it's also a snap shot that people are trying to suggest have some critical historical significance that proves the Republicans are acting in some dastardly unusual way. Do you know under what President the previous historic high was with? George Bush early in his presidency. And do you know who had the record before that? Clinton. Then the first Bush. That's in terms of actual cloture and voting. In terms of filing, it went up under Clinton, then down, then back up over Obama...howevere, the entire stretch since Clinton has been sigificantly higher than anytime before.

The rise in the use of Fillibuster's began in 1990 and has been mostly making an updward movement since then, depending on the senate makeup. Democrats and Republicans have routinely been contesting the other for who gets to hold the record. Both sides have been playing the investigation and witch hunt game...the only difference between them is their views on the legitimacy of each witch hunt and investigation. Namely, Liberals in general think the ones they have done were worthy, justified, completely legitimate investigations and everything the Republicans have done were political witch hunts...and vise versa for Republicans.

The cries of "Stop it already" is going to sound rather hollow, in part becuase this happens every freaking election cycle in recent memory and in and of itself...especially given your tone...sounds like it's as much a political motivated ploy as many of the things you complain about rather than some kind of principled stand. It makes it sound like this is something you're bitching and complaining about and asking people to stop not because you honestly have a probelm with it...but because you have a problem with it because it's YOUR guy and its things YOU don't think matter. Your tone and rhetoric give the impression that if this situation was reversed that you wouldn't be suggesting the actoins are rising to the point of hysteria and getting out of hand and asking people to stop it but would be arguing about how legitimate it is, how necessary it is, and telling people to "deal with it, it's what people have done in the past"...you know, like the way you justified the one thing you acknowledge was actually done problematic in your post above. So I can't really blame people for basically treating your post the exact same way it appears, by your own post, you would treat it if the situation was reversed.

I hope and wish we get to a point where things aren't QUITE this contentious, but I sadly don't see it happening anytime soon and I highly doubt that whatever action that turns things around will occur during a major election cycle.
 
You mean like the guy who works for Hussein Obama who is responsible for keeping jobs here when he wasat GE oustsourced thousands of jobs......Is that the guy my left wing friend?:confused:
Nope wrong as usual NP the phony that even the republicans couldnt stand till they realized the rest of the them in the primary sucked worse...your boy cuz its all ya got...Romney...thats the guy my teaparty friend
 
Welcome to politics.

Clinton was the nastiest we had seen in a long time.

Then we got Bush, and that was the nastiest we had seen in a long time.

Then we got Obama, and THIS is the nastiest we have seen in a long time.


Judging by the Conspiracy theories, I gotta disagree. Some conservatives muttered that Hillary had murdered people over a land deal. Liberals flocked to hear the story about how Bush was behind 9/11. Obama? People accuse him of having a fraudulent long-form birth certificate :roll:
 
Welcome to politics. Clinton was the nastiest we had seen in a long time. Then we got Bush, and that was the nastiest we had seen in a long time. Then we got Obama, and THIS is the nastiest we have seen in a long time. And guess what...when we get Romney, it's likely going to be more of the same. That's sadly the age of politics we live in and it's going to take some kind of major shake up to change that. People point that there's been a "record" number of fillibuster's used during Obama's term. And that's true. However, it's also a snap shot that people are trying to suggest have some critical historical significance that proves the Republicans are acting in some dastardly unusual way. Do you know under what President the previous historic high was with? George Bush early in his presidency. And do you know who had the record before that? Clinton. Then the first Bush. That's in terms of actual cloture and voting. In terms of filing, it went up under Clinton, then down, then back up over Obama...howevere, the entire stretch since Clinton has been sigificantly higher than anytime before. The rise in the use of Fillibuster's began in 1990 and has been mostly making an updward movement since then, depending on the senate makeup. Democrats and Republicans have routinely been contesting the other for who gets to hold the record. Both sides have been playing the investigation and witch hunt game...the only difference between them is their views on the legitimacy of each witch hunt and investigation. Namely, Liberals in general think the ones they have done were worthy, justified, completely legitimate investigations and everything the Republicans have done were political witch hunts...and vise versa for Republicans. The cries of "Stop it already" is going to sound rather hollow, in part becuase this happens every freaking election cycle in recent memory and in and of itself...especially given your tone...sounds like it's as much a political motivated ploy as many of the things you complain about rather than some kind of principled stand. It makes it sound like this is something you're bitching and complaining about and asking people to stop not because you honestly have a probelm with it...but because you have a problem with it because it's YOUR guy and its things YOU don't think matter. Your tone and rhetoric give the impression that if this situation was reversed that you wouldn't be suggesting the actoins are rising to the point of hysteria and getting out of hand and asking people to stop it but would be arguing about how legitimate it is, how necessary it is, and telling people to "deal with it, it's what people have done in the past"...you know, like the way you justified the one thing you acknowledge was actually done problematic in your post above. So I can't really blame people for basically treating your post the exact same way it appears, by your own post, you would treat it if the situation was reversed. I hope and wish we get to a point where things aren't QUITE this contentious, but I sadly don't see it happening anytime soon and I highly doubt that whatever action that turns things around will occur during a major election cycle.
I agree with you zyphlin...its sliding down hill further every election cycle. Clinton was the nastiest that I remember in my voting life and hes the one I would say that started the real dirty dealing and pissed the republicans off and put them in the get even mode. But today the blame goes to the most contentious, stonewalling, nastiest group I have ever seen in my lifetime of voting...the teaparty...they got to go...
 
:roll: the teaparty? The people who picked up their own trash? the ones with zero arrests?

v., say, the lice-infested rape camps of OWS, periodically spawning riots and bomb threats?

please. :roll:
 
Judging by the Conspiracy theories, I gotta disagree. Some conservatives muttered that Hillary had murdered people over a land deal. Liberals flocked to hear the story about how Bush was behind 9/11. Obama? People accuse him of having a fraudulent long-form birth certificate :roll:

Really? Come on Cpwill, lets be fair. You're taking the most extreme stance of a certain group of conspiracy theorists (truthers) with Bush (That he was actually behind the attack itself) while taking the most benign stance of the ones (birthers) with Obama (that the certificate was simply fraudulent).

Did you somehow miss people suggesting he was a secret muslim who was undertaking some Islamist tecnique of hiding one's faith until such a time that you can punish the infidel? I'd say that suggesting Obama is a foreign born muslim in disguise that sought to destroy america through perpetrating a hidden jihad is on par with the others.
 
:roll: the teaparty? The people who picked up their own trash? the ones with zero arrests?

v., say, the lice-infested rape camps of OWS, periodically spawning riots and bomb threats?

please. :roll:

What did any of that have ot do with his reasoning of why the Tea Party has to go...IE that they've been very obstructionist? Does picking up one's trash somehow counter the notion that they've pushed for obstruction in the government? Does being lice infested or performing riots somehow cause obstruction and thus the OWS movement is really guilty of what he's saying? I'm not seeing your point, other than basically going "OMG he said something bad about the tea party...go into stereotypical attack mode against the movement on the other side, quick!".

Yep, the Tea Party HAS been obstructionist. However, I disagree with him that it's somehow problematic. I think it's actually a representation of what many people in the country want. The Tea Party candidates in office didn't magically get there through some wave of the wand or wish from a genie. They got there through this thing called "elections". And you know what most of them ran on....OPPOSING measures that Obama and the Democrats wanted to do, cutting spending, not raising taxes, not doing more government programs, and essentially STOPPING the government from doing stuff.

Being "obstructionists" was in part what they were elected for. So what lpast is basically complaining about is that elected officials are having the audacity to do what they were basically elected to do. How...DARE they. Don't they know they're not supposed to serve their consistuents, they're just supposed to mindlessly go along with things for the sake of "getting things done".

I dislike the generalize political nature that exists in the country today but at the same time I understand that such thing isn't going to change until people change. PEOPLE need to change for it to work. Politicians stabbing the people in the back by going against what they were voted in to do is not the method to which you'll get people to change...it'll just further it.

I don't blame the Tea Party candidates for obstructing things...I commend them.
 
Yep, the Tea Party HAS been obstructionist. However, I disagree with him that it's somehow problematic. I think it's actually a representation of what many people in the country want. The Tea Party candidates in office didn't magically get there through some wave of the wand or wish from a genie. They got there through this thing called "elections". And you know what most of them ran on....OPPOSING measures that Obama and the Democrats wanted to do, cutting spending, not raising taxes, not doing more government programs, and essentially STOPPING the government from doing stuff.

I disagree there and I think this coming election is going to prove me right. People wanted the teaparty to fight the system, but not to the point the system breaks and we get downgraded. They wanted a voice for fiscal change, but not so drastic that it puts congress to a halt and we can't get anything meaningful done at all. Hell, they are even backtracking now about the mandatory cuts.

Seems to me they are reading the message on the wall that America wants change, but not a completely disfunctional government.
 
Eh...forgive me, but the opinion of someone who has in the past referred to them as "teabaggers" is hardly one that I'm going to give a shred of credence to in terms of what he thinks such people think, want, or desire. Your vilification, distaste, and dislike for Tea Partiers and those who sympathize with their message has been clear and consistent ofr some time so your opinion on what they want, what they think, or what they desire is about as relevant to me as gills would be on a Blue Jay.
 
Welcome to politics.

Clinton was the nastiest we had seen in a long time.

Then we got Bush, and that was the nastiest we had seen in a long time.

Then we got Obama, and THIS is the nastiest we have seen in a long time.

And guess what...when we get Romney, it's likely going to be more of the same.

That's sadly the age of politics we live in and it's going to take some kind of major shake up to change that. People point that there's been a "record" number of fillibuster's used during Obama's term. And that's true. However, it's also a snap shot that people are trying to suggest have some critical historical significance that proves the Republicans are acting in some dastardly unusual way. Do you know under what President the previous historic high was with? George Bush early in his presidency. And do you know who had the record before that? Clinton. Then the first Bush. That's in terms of actual cloture and voting. In terms of filing, it went up under Clinton, then down, then back up over Obama...howevere, the entire stretch since Clinton has been sigificantly higher than anytime before.

The rise in the use of Fillibuster's began in 1990 and has been mostly making an updward movement since then, depending on the senate makeup. Democrats and Republicans have routinely been contesting the other for who gets to hold the record. Both sides have been playing the investigation and witch hunt game...the only difference between them is their views on the legitimacy of each witch hunt and investigation. Namely, Liberals in general think the ones they have done were worthy, justified, completely legitimate investigations and everything the Republicans have done were political witch hunts...and vise versa for Republicans.

The cries of "Stop it already" is going to sound rather hollow, in part becuase this happens every freaking election cycle in recent memory and in and of itself...especially given your tone...sounds like it's as much a political motivated ploy as many of the things you complain about rather than some kind of principled stand. It makes it sound like this is something you're bitching and complaining about and asking people to stop not because you honestly have a probelm with it...but because you have a problem with it because it's YOUR guy and its things YOU don't think matter. Your tone and rhetoric give the impression that if this situation was reversed that you wouldn't be suggesting the actoins are rising to the point of hysteria and getting out of hand and asking people to stop it but would be arguing about how legitimate it is, how necessary it is, and telling people to "deal with it, it's what people have done in the past"...you know, like the way you justified the one thing you acknowledge was actually done problematic in your post above. So I can't really blame people for basically treating your post the exact same way it appears, by your own post, you would treat it if the situation was reversed.

I hope and wish we get to a point where things aren't QUITE this contentious, but I sadly don't see it happening anytime soon and I highly doubt that whatever action that turns things around will occur during a major election cycle.

From what I understand, the use of the filibuster since Obama took office was more times than the cumulated number of filibusters in the history of the US up to that point. But does that make it filibuster abuse? I am not so sure about that. The Republicans feel quite strongly against what the Democrats want to enact, so that makes use of the filibuster appropriate. Is the filibuster something that our founding fathers envisioned? Definitely not, but our founding fathers did not envision direct election of senators either. Times change. However this issue plays out will be determined by the political atmosphere that exists at any particular moment.
 
From what I understand, the use of the filibuster since Obama took office was more times than the cumulated number of filibusters in the history of the US up to that point.

I'd like to see the stats for that honestly because that really doesn't seem correct. Not saying you're wrong, but just that the numbers don't sound right at first glance.
 
Eh...forgive me, but the opinion of someone who has in the past referred to them as "teabaggers" is hardly one that I'm going to give a shred of credence to in terms of what he thinks such people think, want, or desire. Your vilification, distaste, and dislike for Tea Partiers and those who sympathize with their message has been clear and consistent ofr some time so your opinion on what they want, what they think, or what they desire is about as relevant to me as gills would be on a Blue Jay.

Good job at addressing none of what I said. Kudo to you. :roll:
 
.......Its hard to defend the most incompetetent this country has ever seen......

And yet.....you continue to believe that he was a "great and inspired world leader"....I know it IS hard work Navy trying to singlehandedly rescue the legacy of GWB...but it doesn't stop you from continually trying.
 
Good job at addressing none of what I said. Kudo to you. :roll:

What to address? Your entire premise is flawed and I disagree with just about every ounce of what you stated the people who elected the tea party representitives actually want or believe. Why should I spend time responding to the opinion of what someone who disdains a group thinks the group REALLY wants when my first hand experience tells me flat out that they're wrong?

Let me address it for you again. I disagree entirely, I think your dislike and disdain for the Tea Party makes the likelihood of you understanding how or what they think/want in an objective and accurate manner a slim possability, and believe that you're simply projecting what YOU personally think or hope others think onto them for the purpose of making your point.
 
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