Nancy Pelosi loves illegal immigrants

[obvious Child]

That makes a lot of sense. If individuals are committing criminal acts by hiring illegals and are exploiting desperate 3rd world people, why on earth would they have any integrity what so ever and give any taxes they take out of the illegals they are employing to the government. Its like expecting a criminal to obey a gun free zone sign on a building.

Because they don't want to attract more attention to their business. You may not know it, but the IRS had software that checks for red flags. One of these is lack of payment of withholding on reported W-2s. Employers create fake employment forms and submit them to the IRS as part of business. The IRS knows pretty much how much the firm should pay as part of withholding (not to mention payroll). Failure to do this will bring up a red flag. Now, why would a firm that's trying to avoid attention want to do something that will likely get them audited?

 

[Tashah]

This I find questionable given the amount of data and the amount of unknowns.

I think you forget that I myself am an immigrant in another country. I know quite a bit about the positives and negatives. You?

 

[obvious Child]

I think you forget that I myself am an immigrant in another country. I know quite a bit about the positives and negatives. You?

And that's relevant to the issue of factors of uncertain empirical economic impact how?

The equation now is somewhat of a Drake Equation, an equation where we do not know all of the factors. We can attempt to quantify uncertainties, but the end number will never be accurate. Hence why I ask for more data instead of leaning either way.

 

[UtahBill]

That appears to be an opinion rather then an empirical equation.

Would you still do it if it cost several Americans their jobs?



They probably did. Not paying withholding on reported W-2s is a surefire way to get audited. And if you're hiring illegals, the last thing you want is an audit.



They made their choice to work in America. We reap the benefits of not having to pay for their pre-work life experiences.

My opinion is held by the majority, your "empirical equation is held by you and some extreme liberal politicianss who claim superior moral stance while sqeezing extra profits from the less fortunate in behalf of their campaign contributors..
How is expelling illegals costing jobs?
Pre-work life experience? How much experence is needed to pick lettuce?

 

[UtahBill]

Because they don't want to attract more attention to their business. You may not know it, but the IRS had software that checks for red flags. One of these is lack of payment of withholding on reported W-2s. Employers create fake employment forms and submit them to the IRS as part of business. The IRS knows pretty much how much the firm should pay as part of withholding (not to mention payroll). Failure to do this will bring up a red flag. Now, why would a firm that's trying to avoid attention want to do something that will likely get them audited?

and yet some American businesses fail to pay those funds on American employees and get away with it for years....
I have a relative, by marriage, who got caught ONLY after filing for bankruptcy.

 

[UtahBill]

And that's relevant to the issue of factors of uncertain empirical economic impact how?

The equation now is somewhat of a Drake Equation, an equation where we do not know all of the factors. We can attempt to quantify uncertainties, but the end number will never be accurate. Hence why I ask for more data instead of leaning either way.

My neighbor is a retired economics professor, he says you are full of bovine excrement...
He was raised on a farm, so please excuse his quaint way of expressing himself...:2razz:

 

[jamesrage]

Because they don't want to attract more attention to their business. You may not know it, but the IRS had software that checks for red flags. One of these is lack of payment of withholding on reported W-2s. Employers create fake employment forms and submit them to the IRS as part of business. The IRS knows pretty much how much the firm should pay as part of withholding (not to mention payroll). Failure to do this will bring up a red flag. Now, why would a firm that's trying to avoid attention want to do something that will likely get them audited?

They are already committing a criminal act by hiring illegals and they are the type of scumbags that hire illegals, why would they report W-2s of people they should not be hiring in the first place to the government?

 

[obvious Child]

My opinion is held by the majority

And that matters to validity how?

your "empirical equation is held by you and some extreme liberal politicianss who claim superior moral stance while sqeezing extra profits from the less fortunate in behalf of their campaign contributors.

Wait, you just called squeezing profits from the less fortunate on behalf of campaign contributions to be "extreme liberal?"

Really? Did you JUST say that?

How is expelling illegals costing jobs?

By increasing costs on food, which reduces discretionary spending elsewhere which reduces economic activity. I've already explained this in the thread. Don't act like Vicco where you know the answer, you just pretend it's not there.

Pre-work life experience? How much experence is needed to pick lettuce?

Not much. But it does cost quite a bit to raise a kid from birth to prime working years.

and yet some American businesses fail to pay those funds on American employees and get away with it for years....

You sure it was payroll and withholding taxes? Cheating on earned income tax is one thing. Cheating on withholding is entirely something new. And are you sure they are doing it now, especially after regulation was passed requiring either social security numbers or ITNs?

I have a relative, by marriage, who got caught ONLY after filing for bankruptcy.

Sounds like they were being paid under the table rather than reporting by W-2s. That's an entirely different matter.

My neighbor is a retired economics professor, he says you are full of bovine excrement...

Ask him if he can compute net benefit or net gain when he does not have all of the factors. Let's see if he actually exists.

 

[obvious Child]

They are already committing a criminal act by hiring illegals and they are the type of scumbags that hire illegals, why would they report W-2s of people they should not be hiring in the first place to the government?

Because they are required to report all of their workers under law. Furthermore, the IRS can estimate how many workers you need based on your industry, earnings, and projects. Reporting that you have three construction workers for a $1 million house building firm is going to get you audited. Firms have bypassed this by creating fake Social Security forms and paying the withholding and payroll on their illegals. I realize you don't understand how the IRS works nor taxation, but it's not hard to figure out that not paying money the IRS knows you know is going to get you audited. And having an auditor come out and examine your books is the absolute last thing you want if you're employing illegals.

And apparently some illegals are honest enough to cough up come tax time:
Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com

 

[UtahBill]

And that matters to validity how?



Wait, you just called squeezing profits from the less fortunate on behalf of campaign contributions to be "extreme liberal?"

Really? Did you JUST say that?



By increasing costs on food, which reduces discretionary spending elsewhere which reduces economic activity. I've already explained this in the thread. Don't act like Vicco where you know the answer, you just pretend it's not there.



Not much. But it does cost quite a bit to raise a kid from birth to prime working years.



You sure it was payroll and withholding taxes? Cheating on earned income tax is one thing. Cheating on withholding is entirely something new. And are you sure they are doing it now, especially after regulation was passed requiring either social security numbers or ITNs?



Sounds like they were being paid under the table rather than reporting by W-2s. That's an entirely different matter.


Ask him if he can compute net benefit or net gain when he does not have all of the factors. Let's see if he actually exists.

nope, their paychecks reflected money withheld, no pay was under the table. He filed bankruptcy and is still paying off the funds never paid to the govt.

It is the liberal like pelosi who wants illegals to stay here, surely there is a financial motive? What else could it be? Her christian soul? I suspect it was sold a long time ago.

Anyone can GUESS with all the factors and still be wrong, you claim to KNOW with only some of the factors....
Not only is he real, but he is honest enough to say that current economic conditions are so out of the realm of what we thought to be economic reality as we use to know it, that he wouldn't even try to give advice to Obama.
But YOU presume to know most everything, so why aren't YOU speaker of the house, or president, or a force to be reckoned with in the world of politics, or economics, or anything? You do what most of us do, express your opinions, but somehow YOUR opinions are more factual than are those of the rest of us.
Does DonSutherland agree with you?

 

[jamesrage]

Because they are required to report all of their workers under law.

Aren't they also required by federal law to not hire illegals?

Firms have bypassed this by creating fake Social Security forms and paying the withholding and payroll on their illegals. I realize you don't understand how the IRS works nor taxation, but it's not hard to figure out that not paying money the IRS knows you know is going to get you audited. And having an auditor come out and examine your books is the absolute last thing you want if you're employing illegals.

Wouldn't the IRS know you are using fake or stolen SS numbers?

And apparently some illegals are honest enough to cough up come tax time:
Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com

ISn't that like bragging a drug dealer is paying taxes?He is still doing something illegal.

 

[thetatteredflag]

The first is deflationary effect on food prices. When we can pay them next to nothing to harvest our crops, that reduces prices to consumers who then have more money to spend elsewhere. Do the spending multipliers and the effect is going to be quite large.

Second, as Bodhavistta and I discussed in the past, employers who hire illegals fill out fake W-2s and withhold federal taxes. Since illegals are illegals they never collect it. Essentially we are getting large amounts of inputs in Social Security and Medicare without a corresponding liability. It's actually theft to the workers, but that's another thread.

Third, as the US population grays, they provide significant boosts of the working population without much of the corresponding costs. Mexico educates them, feeds them, houses them and pays for their expenses before they get to prime working ages which we essentially exploit. This also occurs in legal immigration.

How do exploitation and tax fraud work out as "benefits?"

 

[Wessexman]

Illegal immigrants are un-American....literally.