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Name Federal Cuts Obama Has Done:

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Can anyone without graphics, youtube campaign videos, or democratic talking points tell it straightforward? What cuts has Obama done? What cuts is he planning what is his budget?

O'Reilly recently asked Alan Holmes and a few other Fox News contributors this very simple question and they couldn't answer it. So I want to see if anybody here can give a simple answer.

EX:
Obama wants to cut _______.
Obama has cut ____________.

This is a simple fill in the blank quiz. Your turn liberals!

If you agree with me that Obama does not want to cut any spending, and you are a liberal, please do not hesitate to state this.
 
Obama has publically sanctioned cuts in Medicare, mainly to divert those funds to make PPACA look affordable, yet I can think of little else that he can take credit for. Colmes tried to say just that yet O'Reilly jumped on him. Obama prefers to let Reid and Pelosi do the heavy lifting. He often mentions "deals" in which entitlement spending cuts would be acceptable yet is very slick in not stating just what those cuts will be (or how to achieve them). Obama believes in mandating lower prices for medical goods/services paid for using tax money, thus claiming to be able to save money and not reduce any services. The unfunded mandate is a wonderful tool of gov't, the very basis for PPACA, along with the other Obama favorite - income redictribution.
 

I dont even know why Liberals want to make it seem like they like cuts! Obama hasn't even cut the military budget, and he is off blaming Republicans for Sequester cuts which is what most of them cheered for since they couldn't make any deal with him whatsoever!
 
For the moment, let's exclude the sequestration cuts from this question, and use inflation-adjusted dollars (I believe my source used 2013 dollars).


The big one is DOD. Peak was $717bn in FY2010, non-sequester cut to $647bn for FY2013.

Next, Income Security (unemployment, food stamps, TANF, Supplemental Social Security etc) dropped from $624bn (FY2010) to $551bn (FY2013).

Education, training, social services: $170bn (FY2012) to a more typical amount, $94bn (FY2013)

Transportation: $139bn (FY2012) to $89bn (FY2013)

There's a handful of other agencies that shrank.


On a side note, revenues have gone up, and are projecting good increases. Individual income taxes went from $899bn (FY2010) to an estimated $1.4 trillion (FY2013). Social Security, $819bn (2011) to $959bn (FY2013 est), corporate taxes $141bn (2009) to $348bn (FY2013 est)

The deficit is expected to drop, from a peak of $1.4tn in 2009 (under Bush's auspices) to $1.3tn (2012) and an estimated $768bn (FY2013).

Yes, I had to look this up. And I know you said "no charts," but the WaPo widget is pretty neat: Charting change in the 2013 federal budget - The Washington Post
 

But can you really give Obama credit for these cuts? Since Obama loves to blame everyone else for things that go wrong, I won't give him any credit for the things that go right, and I'm not even sure these "cuts" are right. Much more research needs to go into these numbers.

He never campaigned on these issues or even mentions these cuts before. This could just be regular budget inconsistencies. If anything, it isn't even large cuts in substantial areas.
 

IOW, even proof that he has made cuts will not convince you that he has made cuts
 
sangha said:
IOW, even proof that he has made cuts will not convince you that he has made cuts
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There isn't proof that Obama himself specifically made those cuts that were mentioned. It's just a chart of numbers. There is no program where Obama has said, I will cut this because of this reason and actually has done this! Why do you care if Obama has cut or not? I care because I am a Republican, but most Democrats don't seem big on cutting, so why do liberals want to defend Obama's invisible non specific cuts?
 

Umm, POTUS doesn't vote on spending. Congress does

And Obama proposed cutting Medicare and it passed Congress. It was 761billion in cuts.

And they weren't invisible. Romney made a big stink about it in his campaign
 
Didn't he recently cut the volunteer tour guides at the White House as a way to save money?
 
Heebie Jeebie said:
Didn't he recently cut the volunteer tour guides at the White House as a way to save money?
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Yeah, in response to the sequester which he blames republicans for. So Republicans are blamed for that too! He looks like his hands are tied...
 
sangha said:
Umm, POTUS doesn't vote on spending. Congress does

And Obama proposed cutting Medicare and it passed Congress. It was 761billion in cuts.

And they weren't invisible. Romney made a big stink about it in his campaign
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As pointed out before that went to Obamacare...Therefore, it wasn't really a cut, now was it?
 
He has cut interest rates which saves us on debt service in the short term. I think it is unsustainable long term and will result in us paying higher rates 10 years from now.
 
The two "Obama cuts" I'm familiar with are:

1) release of illegal immigrants from detention centers and
2) military family travel (based on Grim's posting)

I'm sure there are others as well. These are in response to the sequester activity and seem to be to make a point.
 
ModerateGOP said:
As pointed out before that went to Obamacare...Therefore, it wasn't really a cut, now was it?
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Yes, it was really a cut. Just ask the insurance companies that lost that 671billion.

If you're going to use increases in other programs to claim that a cut wasn't made, then all you have to do is point out that the Fed budget increases every year to argue that no one, including republicans, has ever cut spending.

Which raises the question of why you're singling out Obama?
 
sangha said:
All you have to do is point out that the Fed budget increases every year to argue that no one, including republicans, has ever cut spending.
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Exactly right, so when are we going to start?
 
blaxshep said:
Exactly right, so when are we going to start?
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When the rightwingers who want the govt to cut spending stop voting for republicans who say they want to cut spending, but once in office vote to increase spending
 
sangha said:
When the rightwingers who want the govt to cut spending stop voting for republicans who say they want to cut spending, but once in office vote to increase spending
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How do you expect them to stay in office then? If you can't reward your friends and punish your adversaries what's the point of getting elected?:lol:
 
sangha said:
When the rightwingers who want the govt to cut spending stop voting for republicans who say they want to cut spending, but once in office vote to increase spending
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That won't help because the liberals will just continue to spend. What you accuse the Republicans of doing is the exact same thing the Democrats do. Both parties are full of liberals and they all need to be eliminated. The personal assets of all congressmen should be directly tied to the national debt. That would fix it.
 

1. I think your confused. If the insurance companies really lost over 600 Billion than that's on the insurance companies, not the federal government.

2. But this wasn't an increase into another existing program, this was stealing from one program and putting it into a NEW one!

3. Um, because he's currently the President and wants people to think that he is a balanced and fair guy and is cutting spending!!!!!!
 
ModerateGOP said:
But can you really give Obama credit for these cuts?
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Yes.


Since Obama loves to blame everyone else for things that go wrong, I won't give him any credit for the things that go right....
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Quick, who said the following in his 2nd State of the Union address? "The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted."

Answer: Ronald Reagan, 1983.

Blaming the Other Guy is not a tactic limited to one party, one individual, or one type of job. Nor is it a deep moral flaw. It's business as usual.


I'm not even sure these "cuts" are right. Much more research needs to go into these numbers.
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They're correct.

You don't need "more research." It's all in the public record.


He never campaigned on these issues or even mentions these cuts before.
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He's been saying for years that the plan is to both raise tax rates and cut spending. He was explicit about cutting defense spending during the campaign, and Romney responded by publicly saying he did not want to cut DOD spending at all.


This could just be regular budget inconsistencies.
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It isn't.

DOD spending is dropping because the wars are tapering off. Income Security is falling because people are no longer collecting unemployment, due to both expired benefits and people getting back to work. Transportation because they lowered the budget. Deficits are falling because of small reductions in spending and increases in revenues, as the economy slowly recovers.


If anything, it isn't even large cuts in substantial areas.
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It's around $270 billion (in 2013 dollars) over 2-3 years. It's not that huge, but it's notable for cuts during a recession.


So yeah, it's a fact: Obama has enacted some spending cuts. I'd agree they are nowhere as big as many Republicans want, nor do they cut deeply into the entitlements and social programs Republicans hate (and the public wants). But the cuts are still real.
 
blaxshep said:
That won't help because the liberals will just continue to spend. What you accuse the Republicans of doing is the exact same thing the Democrats do.
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Not at all. I don't see dems promising to balance the budget or cut overall spending.
 
ModerateGOP said:
1. I think your confused. If the insurance companies really lost over 600 Billion than that's on the insurance companies, not the federal government.
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I have no idea what you mean by "that's on the insurance companies". Sure, they were the ones who lost out, but that just proves my point.

2. But this wasn't an increase into another existing program, this was stealing from one program and putting it into a NEW one!
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That is a distinction of no significance. Using that logic, I could claim that every cut was just "stealing" to pay for something else whenever overall spending rises, which it does every. single. year.

3. Um, because he's currently the President and wants people to think that he is a balanced and fair guy and is cutting spending!!!!!!
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Congress passes budgets, not POTUS. Your focus on Obama is just a demonstration of your partisanship on this issue. A fair assessment would be to acknowledge that responsibility for spending is shared by 536 politicians, but you are focusing on one.
 
President Obama has cut spending. He reduced spending a % of GDP and reduced the deficit every year as a % of GDP. He's almost reduced the deficit on a nominal basis every year which is more impressive. FYI FY 2012's deficit was 1.1 trillion.

For his last budget Bush asked for and got a 3.1 trillion dollar budget. Revenues were estimated to be 2.8 trillion. Thanks to the Great Bush Recession, spending was revised up and revenues revised down. Here’s the revision to Bush’s last budget FY 2009 and actuals. this was revised BEFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA TOOK OVER
_____________1/7/09____actuals
Total Revenues__ 2,357__ 2,105
Total Outlays__ _ 3,543__ _ 3,518

Fiscal year_______2010____2011____2012___2013(est)
Total Revenues___ 2,162___ 2,302___ 2449___2,708
Total Outlays____ 3,456___ 3,598___ 3,538___3,553

as a % of GDP
year rev spnd
2009 15.1 25.2
2010 15.1 24.1
2011 15.4 24.1
2012 15.8 22.8
 
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