Pathetic dodge.
You are the one claiming that promiscuity is more common now. So without proof its just a baseless claim. My point from the beginning.
If you had any proof for your claim you would post it. I guess ours just your opinion. Anyway we are done here until I see your proof.
And I have posted PLENTY of evidence to back that assumption. STDs are up (
in spite of the fact that people are practicing generally safer sex than at any other point in human history, I might add), pregnancy out of wedlock is up, and marriage is down.
You have posted literally
NOTHING to support any of your arguments but baseless assertions. No offense man, but you don't seem to understand how this whole "debate" thing is supposed to work.
What you're doing now is little more than monologuing.
He's really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. He's resorting to misrepresenting everything that we've said here. In his last three posts, he dishonestly claimed that
1) I said ""Maybe single motherhood isn't really that bad because most unmarried women with children are really living with boyfriends / partners that are just as good as husbands, if not better!""
If that wasn't your position, why didn't you clarify what your position actually was then, instead of running away the moment I called you on your nonsense? :roll:
2) CLAX said that not having kids is selfish
It's hardly my fault if he cannot understand the logical implications of his own arguments.
He went on for nearly ten pages about the inherent "selflessness" of raising a child. Well, what's the opposite of "selflessness" as a generalized concept?
3) You said that you do not believe in marriage, etc
Because she has blatantly said as much, multiple times.
which requires that he misrepresent the facts that we have pointed out to him (about how there are other people who live different lives without "rejecting marriage and having children", etc)
A claim which is inherently meaningless if you're not going to provide any evidence whatsoever to back it up.
Again, Sangha, you can entertain wishful thinking and fantasy if you want. I will not.
The evidence is all around you.
Indeed it is!
Children in single-parent families more likely to suffer emotional problems, report finds
Children of Single Parents Much More Likely in Poverty
It does not, however; support the conclusion you seem to be implying.
The simple fact of the matter is that, in nearly all cases and by nearly all criteria we are capable of measuring, single motherhood can be shown to be
objectively inferior to traditional marriage. It is harder on parents and children alike from an economic and emotional standpoint, and it contributes to many other problems in our society which are already far more common than they should be (i.e. poverty and government dependence).
While I applaud those people (like Chris) who managed to make it work in spite of all of that, the reality of the situation remains that their's is not what most single mothers experience.
By and large, they are exceptions, not the rule. Trying to pretend like this isn't true is nothing less than a blatant lie.
There are plenty of kids who were raised by single mothers who have done quite well.
Again, they are exceptions, not the rule. On an objective basis, single parenthood is simply inferior to the two parent model.
You might want to look at who is in the White House.
Because a single man constitutes a trend, right? :roll:
A) Obama's parents were married when they had him.
B) Even after they divorced, his mother remarried.
C) They had an exceedingly wealthy family to fall back on if all else failed.
Not only was Obama never really "raised by a single mother," but he came from a privileged background that hardly any other child born to a single parent in this country can claim.
For that matter, I wouldn't say that Obama came out of the experience completely unscathed on an emotional level either. In case you haven't noticed, he has more "daddy issues" than you can shake a stick at.
He wrote an entire book about it, for Chris'sakes.
Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
No, it's not a different issue given how you've focused on single parent households and how divorce is one the biggest contributing factors to this
Your assuming that the same principles which applied to your generation still apply to mine. :roll:
For all age groups, childbirth outside of marriage now accounts for almost of half of all new births.
Single mothers have 48% of first births
For women under thirty, it is more than half.
For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage
Divorce is still a major issue, but is no longer the largest contributing factor to single motherhood.
You don't seem to know what happiness is
Hint: It's not a "feeling"
Did I not say as much?
He's done this (ie made claims and then demanded that others have to prove him wrong) several times in this thread
Then he ignores the evidence (ie stats show that age of first intercourse has risen, and # of lifetime partners has dropped)
No such evidence has been presented. To claim that it has is a blatant lie.
It is hardly my fault if you people apparently don't know how to properly argue. :roll:
