My take on the abortion issue.

[Felicity]

Anyone who is truly pro-life is certainly not pro-murder.

Bad people are bad people on both sides and murder is wrong. period.

Secondly:
Depending on your point of view concerning the abortion debate, a ZEF IS a "child" or not. Why is it incumbent upont the PLs to aquiesce to what appears to them to be "revisionist linguistics" as steen is so found of saying? I try to do it to a point--by refering to them as "unborn" or specifically identifying the stage of development--but sometimes it's ridiculous.

What is ultimately being referred to when you say someone is an infant, a toddler, an adolescent, etc...? The same biological entity that is also refered to as a zygote, embryo, and fetus at another stage of development. It's silly to suggest they are two different entities--they are not. No infant was born without having first gone through the zygote, embryo, and fetus stages of development.

 

[vergiss]

No infant was born without first being a sperm and an egg, either. Better stop having periods, then.

 

[Felicity]

No infant was born without first being a sperm and an egg, either. Better stop having periods, then.

A sperm will never turn into a distinct human--neither will an egg--but a sperm and an egg combined will....

 

[Busta]

Sure it is. That's a significant part of what prochoice see as the prolife movement. After all, that is the part that is likely to kill us or post the name and address of our family members on prolife boards.
Dr Sleppian was shot in the back while he was cooking dinner for his kids who were there in the kitchen with him.

If you look at the AoG site, you will find a "prolife heroes" link or something like that, where they glorify the killer and his colleague physician-murderers.

One of the reasons I like Law and Order is that they tend to produce epicodes based on actual events.
Last night Law and Order: Criminal Intent had their episode based on that shooting of the abortion doctor.
It was just really cool and reminded me of this thread.

That's all.

 

[Felicity]

One of the reasons I like Law and Order is that they tend to produce epicodes based on actual events.
Last night Law and Order: Criminal Intent had their episode based on that shooting of the abortion doctor.
It was just really cool and reminded me of this thread.

That's all.

Uuugggh...I saw that one before and couldn't watch it again when I was watching that marathon last night....it just SOOOOO played into stereotypes...I love Law and Order too...but sometimes it's just so predictably furthering a bias...Still a good show though....

 

[Busta]

Uuugggh...I saw that one before and couldn't watch it again when I was watching that marathon last night....it just SOOOOO played into stereotypes...I love Law and Order too...but sometimes it's just so predictably furthering a bias...Still a good show though....

I loved the cool confidence of the back A.D.A. while whats-r-face (the detective chick that viewers don't pay attention to) is steaming away "I can't believe that you actually think that abortion is murder! You, an educated man.....how could you think that it's murder?!?"; and he just pats her on the head and with a slim smile and a calm voice says "Just bring me the evidence, and prosecuting the shooter won't be a problem".

Yah, L. and O. can play to sterio types, but that website (the one with thw abortion doctores names) is real: http://www.armyofgod.com (F**king liberal kooks)
Dig around a bit and you'll find the list.

 

[Felicity]

but that website (the one with thw abortion doctores names) is real: http://www.armyofgod.com (F**king liberal kooks)
Dig around a bit and you'll find the list.

Oh..I KNOW it's real...and it's DISGUSTING! On so many levels!

(BTW: the chick is Detective Eames... )

And why do you call them "liberal" kooks?

 

[Busta]

Oh..I KNOW it's real...and it's DISGUSTING! On so many levels!

(BTW: the chick is Detective Eames... )

And why do you call them "liberal" kooks?

Because they're liberal kooks.

 

[Felicity]

Because they're liberal kooks.

Ok...sometimes I'm a little slow....they definately are "kooks" (although I'd use harsher language) and I certainly don't want to claim them as "conservative"....but what makes them "liberals?"

 

[Busta]

Ok...sometimes I'm a little slow....they definately are "kooks" (although I'd use harsher language) and I certainly don't want to claim them as "conservative"....but what makes them "liberals?"

Liberal is the exact poler opposite of Conservative. A Conservative Republican would oppose abortion thrue Constitutionally supported miens such as peacefull protest and legislation; where as a Liberal Republican would, well, just shoot the abortion Doc. in the back.

Liberals take the extreme outlook and prefer the radical solution. Conservatives take the restrained outlook and prefer the practical solution.

Can-ya-dig-it

 

[Felicity]

Can-ya-dig-it

Ah...got it...kind of a liberal (or rather that would be conservative) definition....but it makes sense (even though it's not the standard use of the term).

 

[tecoyah]

A sperm will never turn into a distinct human--neither will an egg--but a sperm and an egg combined will....

Result in a spontaneous miscarriage the vast majority of the time.

Seems "God" kills alot of people then.....hmmmm

 

[Navy Pride]

The only people that advocate violence against abortion doctors are the few that are on the far right...........If a person is arrested and convicted of violence against and abortion doctor then they should be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law........

That said the only abortions that should be performed is when the mothers life is endangered or possibly in the case of rape and incest......

What is really ironic is that a doctor takes a hypocratic oath that says he will protect and preserve life..........There are so called doctors who make 6 figure salaries and live in a big house on the hill and they make their complete income by performing abortion...........

What is wrong with this picture.......

 

[Felicity]

The only people that advocate violence against abortion doctors are the few that are on the far right...........If a person is arrested and convicted of violence against and abortion doctor then they should be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law........

That said the only abortions that should be performed is when the mothers life is endangered or possibly in the case of rape and incest......

What is really ironic is that a doctor takes a hypocratic oath that says he will protect and preserve life..........There are so called doctors who make 6 figure salaries and live in a big house on the hill and they make their complete income by performing abortion...........

What is wrong with this picture.......

I agree with everything you said...

Interesting thing about the hypocratic oath--it SPECIFICALLY says that they will not perform an "abortive remedy." HypocrItic Oath....

 

[Felicity]

Result in a spontaneous miscarriage the vast majority of the time.

Seems "God" kills alot of people then.....hmmmm

the vast majority? Are you sure of that? Anyway, His perogative...

 

[MrFungus420]

I agree with everything you said...

Interesting thing about the hypocratic oath--it SPECIFICALLY says that they will not perform an "abortive remedy." HypocrItic Oath....

That depends on the version of the Hypocratic Oath to which you're refering.

Then, there's the point that the AMA has a code of ethics, but it does not promote any version of the Hypocratic Oath.

 

[vergiss]

A sperm will never turn into a distinct human--neither will an egg--but a sperm and an egg combined will....

Wrong. It may turn into a distinct human, assuming it implants into the uterus, and then survives gestation. Just as any sperm or an egg may eventually turn into a human.

If you're going to preserve a few cells because of what they may become, you've gotta preserve 'em all, honey. Otherwise I suggest you stop calling others hypocrites.

 

[Felicity]

Wrong. It may turn into a distinct human, ........

If you're going to preserve a few cells because of what they may become, .

That's not my reason, honey.....

 

[Felicity]

That depends on the version of the Hypocratic Oath to which you're refering.

Then, there's the point that the AMA has a code of ethics, but it does not promote any version of the Hypocratic Oath.

Yeah...I know....they changed it because they realized they were hypocritical.

 

[Fantasea]

Wrong. It may turn into a distinct human, assuming it implants into the uterus, and then survives gestation. Just as any sperm or an egg may eventually turn into a human.

If you're going to preserve a few cells because of what they may become, you've gotta preserve 'em all, honey. Otherwise I suggest you stop calling others hypocrites.

I should have guessed that biology is not your best subject.

 

[steen]

I should have guessed that biology is not your best subject.

Given that it is your worst subject, as you have amply demonstrated, I find it odd that you claim qualification in determining other's skill in science.

 

[Fantasea]

Given that it is your worst subject, as you have amply demonstrated, I find it odd that you claim qualification in determining other's skill in science.

The only odd thing in this forum is the mistaken way the pro-death folks think they can bamboozle everyone else with their verbal slight of hand.

 

[26 X World Champs]

The only odd thing in this forum is the mistaken way the pro-death folks think they can bamboozle everyone else with their verbal slight of hand.

The truly "odd" thing or is it the truly "ignorant" thing is that anyone would possibly write the term "pro-death." By using this purposeful attack the author completely exposes her prejudice and lack of intelligence.

People who are pro-Abortion are no more pro-death than anyone else. It is total bull$hit rhetoric to suggest otherwise. Speaking purely for myself I can clearly state that I am anti-abortion, that I do not want anyone to have one. HOWEVER I am also PRO-CHOICE and strongly believe that no one has the right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body, period.

Listing the number of abortions performed as "murders" or calling people "pro-death" are losing tactics only employed by people who are unable to express an intellectual argument against a woman's right to her own body.

Those who are anti-abortion are the majority! No one wants anyone else to have an abortion, that is fact. However this is no way the same thing as being against the right to have an abortion.

Fortunately abortion is and will always be a legal choice for women in the USA. Even Justice Roberts has made it clear his opinion, namely that Roe V. Wade is now "Stare Decisis" AKA respect for precedent.

Of course each and everyone of us is entitled to their opinion however the ignorance and hate that is meant and implied when using terms like "pro-death" is deplorable and does discount that persons "argument" due to the ignorance that term and the justification to use it connotes.

I for one have little or no respect for people who think that using harsh talking point terminology to make their argument is wise and meaningful. What ever happened to one's ability to intellectually express one's view?

I guess I'm living in a "Fantasea" world, right?

 

[Felicity]

The truly "odd" thing or is it the truly "ignorant" thing is that anyone would possibly write the term "pro-death." By using this purposeful attack the author completely exposes her prejudice and lack of intelligence.

It is blind to believe there are not truly "pro-death" people in the abortion movement.

People who are pro-Abortion are no more pro-death than anyone else. It is total bull$hit rhetoric to suggest otherwise.

Some in fact ARE and to deny it or ignore it is just that--denial or ignorance.

Speaking purely for myself I can clearly state that I am anti-abortion, that I do not want anyone to have one. HOWEVER I am also PRO-CHOICE and strongly believe that no one has the right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body, period.

This is the stance of those that have not fully considered the issue. Start by considering it in terms of another action--"I don't want anyone to steal...however, I believe no one has the right to tell a person what he or she can do ..."

THAT doesn't make sense does it?

Listing the number of abortions performed as "murders" or calling people "pro-death" are losing tactics only employed by people who are unable to express an intellectual argument against a woman's right to her own body.

That also is false. When it becomes apparent that one is not working from ignorance or denial--it is correct to call them what they are.

Of course each and everyone of us is entitled to their opinion however the ignorance and hate that is meant and implied when using terms like "pro-death" is deplorable and does discount that persons "argument" due to the ignorance that term and the justification to use it connotes.

Again...the ignorance is on those who refuse to acknowledge there is in fact evil in the world. Not everyone who is supposedly "pro-choice" is actually "pro-death"--but many are. When you take a stance--make your yes mean yes, and your no, no. To equivocate is cowardice--and the "pro-death" side knows that many are cowards..and that even those who aren't pro-death, but don't have the ability or the information to have a real opinion, by default will support the pro-death perspective even unwittingly.

I for one have little or no respect for people who think that using harsh talking point terminology to make their argument. What ever happened to one's ability to intellectually express one's view?

I, for one, have little respect for the opinions of those who won't take a stand--because they don't fully consider an issue.

 

[26 X World Champs]

It is blind to believe there are not truly "pro-death" people in the abortion movement.

I read your post and I'm confused? What do you mean that people are "pro-death"? Please show me of whom you speak? You want me to believe there's a movement out there that want to use abortion to promote death? The amount of women that use abortion as birth control is incredibly small so that can't be your argument, so what are you talking about?

This is the stance of those that have not fully considered the issue. Start by considering it in terms of another action--"I don't want anyone to steal...however, I believe no one has the right to tell a person what he or she can do ..."

Huh? You think stealing and a women's right to privacy are the same thing? You want us to believe that because someone allows a woman to choose what to do with her body that we then would also allow someone to steal? C'mon, that is a really weak point, really, really weak. To me points like that are proof positive of how the anti-abortion crowd try to manipulate the truth to suit their agenda. You want to prevent a woman from choosing what to do with her body, which is her right and is protected by the Constitution and you make your argument by comparing this right to a societal breakdown that would allow for stealing and other crimes that are illegal? Need I remind you that abortion IS LEGAL?