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M14 Shooter said:You got it, meng.
I cannot imagine why anyone would disagree with those things.
danarhea said:In case anyone has been living in a cave and hasnt heard about it, Vincente Fox and the Mexican government is really PO'd about the immigration bill that passed the House which:
1) Calls for a wall to be put up on the US border. This is something Pat Buchanan called for in 2000, and one of the reasons I voted for him. Buchanan was unfairly called a rascist for it, but the times they are a changin'.
aps said:Nah, he's not a racist:
In a 1977 column, Buchanan wrote,
"Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Bu..._Hitler.2C_the_Holocaust.2C_and_accused_Nazis
What kind of a$$hole praises Hitler?
cnredd said:You're taking it way out of context...PB is refering to HOW Hitler conducted things and not WHY they were conducted...
I throw this out to see if it gets through...
Was the Unibomber a very smart man?...Jim Jones?...David Koresh?...
Was the 911 plot conducted to near perfection with patience and well-thought out plans?...
Yes to every one...The intentions of these people are rediculous, but the results of their actions are impressive nonetheless, even if it's in the most negative way...
If you never knew of a man named Hitler, and I told you the story of one man who was in prison because of his beliefs, got out, transformed the whole government of a nation, built up a national self-interest, transformed the military into a virtual machine, and gained so much power that he almost took over all of Europe, you can't sit there and tell me you'd think that guy was an idiot...
These were the only aspects Pat was referring to...
There may be many examples of racism on PB's part...I don't know...aps said:I do see your point. My husband is Jewish and hates Buchanan because of other anti-Semitic statements he has made. My husband is not one of those types who believes everyone is anti-Semitic, and he is a very rational person (far more rational than I am) in that he wouldn't make that conclusion if there wasn't justification for it.
cnredd said:There may be many examples of racism on PB's part...I don't know...
My conclusion is not that PB is or is not a racist...he very well may be...
I'm just saying that the example you gave wasn't a good indicator...
Back on topic - Build the wall...
aps said:Ahh, I totally agree. Look, I had to find something fast.....
My mother is Mexican, and I have dual citizenship with Mexico. However, I fully support the building of this wall. I believe, however, my mother does not. My brother fully supports this and apparently offended our mother when he made comments about the wall......:shock:
Deegan said:I believe you, I have been trying to tell Dan how anti-Semitic Pat is for years now, he refuses to connect the dots. I have been raised around anti-Semites for years, I know what it looks like, smells like, and can see it in the eyes of the hater.
danarhea=Dan...aps said:Does Dan = cnredd? Thanks for backing me up, Deegan.I wouldn't want people thinking that my husband is one of those people who thinks everyone is against him. (He went to Brandeis--same as Abramoff :shock
cnredd said:danarhea=Dan...
cnredd=redheaded love machine...
If I told you my real name, I wouldn't strike you as that one either...It's the most horrible name ever given to man, and I firmly believe that my parents were drunk and in a very bad mood when they named me...aps said:LOL! Gotcha! Somehow you didn't strike me as a "Dan" from your pictures.
danarhea said:Uh oh. Time for me to defend myself. Why does the fact that one is against Zionism equate with being anti Semitic? Would you call this group anti Semetic? How about this group? Or this group? All 3 groups are Jewish. Would you make the claim that they hate themselves? Of course not. Just because one is against Zionism doesnt make him anti Semetic, and the hints from some here that I may be anti Semitic are unfair, dont you think? By the way, my stepfather's last name was Weinrick. Yes, he was Jewish, and I loved him. By the same token, Buchanan doesnt hate Jewish people - He just doesnt like the notion that Zionism should inflence our politics so much, and the information coming out of the AIPAC scandal pretty much confirms that.
cnredd said:If I told you my real name, I wouldn't strike you as that one either...It's the most horrible name ever given to man, and I firmly believe that my parents were drunk and in a very bad mood when they named me...
I'm actually the "3rd", not counting middle names...I could have 30 sons, and there will NOT be "a 4th"...
aps said:danarhea, no one is calling you anti Semitic. I don't believe the bases of my husband thinking Buchanan is anti Semitic are solely based on him not liking Zionism. Just FYI.
danarhea said:Thats a fair enough response. Then how does not liking Zionism equate to rascism? That is actually the crux of my argument.
aps said:I should rephrase that--I don't even know if that is the reason he believes Buchanan is a racist. If you're interested, I will ask him.
aps said:Nah, he's not a racist:
In a 1977 column, Buchanan wrote,
"Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Buc..._accused_Nazis
What kind of a$$hole praises Hitler?
danarhea said:Thats a fair enough response. Then how does not liking Zionism equate to rascism? That is actually the crux of my argument.
jallman said:Okay...well I typically stay as far away as possible from these conversations because whenever I open my trap I get accused of being anti semetic and I absolutely am not. I am, however, strongly anti zionist. I feel that Israel shouuld not influence our politics so much and I also have a twinkling idea that Israel should not even be an issue at all. But do I have a hatred for Jews...well no, not at all...not in the least. Do I feel that there is a global double standard in how Israel gets to respond to situations and how the rest of the world does? Absolutely.
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