My grandfather was an immigrant to america. Today if you are seeking entry into the united states you are an illegal alien, why?

[Mason66]

That wasn't the question but thanks for stating the obvious.

Yes that is very much the question.

 

[Mason66]

our nation does exhibit some tired policies, such as refusal to consider universal healthcare ... which could happen overnight with the elimination of age eligibility as a criterion for medicare

and we have a massive amount of individual poverty for a nation which is so rich in toto

You do not want universal health care.

 

[Mason66]

Anyone arriving at our southern border is considered an illegal alien by the right. I do believe people cross our borders illegally but certainly not in the numbers the right claims. If those numbers were accurate, we might as well have an open southern border. We should just annex mexico.

Thousands of people cross the border legally every day. Nobody considers them illegal.

 

[Mason66]

The proper procedures, when my grandparents came in the late 1880s, was to just come, go through immigration on Ellis Island or Baltimore, pass the "in good health" test, fill out some forms, and "voila" they are good to go to wherever they intended to go in this country.

Exactly, they followed the proper procedure of the time.

The southern border crossers don't want to do that.

 

[Mason66]

Bull. Maybe I'm wrong, you can ask bongsaway, but I believe he was referring to how both and immigrants are accepted and treated given the same circumstances, legal or illegal.

Both groups entered/enter speaking their home language but the ones from the south have always faced much more racism than the others. And why? Conservatives will come up with a dozen reasons, just like they'll come up with a dozen reasons why systemic racism doesn't exist. But everyone else knows the real reason why...

Who are you comparing the southern border crossers to here when you say they face much more racism?

 

[Fabiusbile]

Is there a difference between others who have come to america and the folks coming up to our southern border seeking entry into america?

My grandfather killed Germans... I think... references to grandfathers are not always appropriate.

All these parallels with the past of almost a century ago with the present work poorly.
Your grandfather went to work, and not to hang a balloon around the neck of taxpayers, and this is a big difference. If he hadn't worked, he could have starved to death, because at that time there was no such social care in the United States.

However, if Americans really want to host all the parasites of the planet, and this is the decision of the majority... that's your business.

 

[jcgriff2]

Perhaps, but employers love them.

Perhaps, but... Biden and democrats are not allowing Border Patrol officials to do their jobs to raid and prosecute the employers because the next step for the illegal aliens found at the businesses is deportation, which democrats do not want despite it being federal law.

You can't have it both ways.

Either change federal immigration laws to officially allow anyone in the world to simply move here to the USA, like BIDEN and the democrats are doing now, or enforce the federal immigration laws. It is very simple.

You lost the right to bitch about employers abusing illegal aliens when you gave your approval to the lawless president BIDEN allowing him to ignore his presidential oath by not enforcing federal laws.

 

[jcgriff2]

Yes. Immigration is fine in moderation along with background checks (NCIC).

Take fingerprints; submit to AFIS.
Take DNA; submit to CODIS.

No felons allowed.

It’s always funny watching Trump cultists melt down in hysterics because they can’t understand why anyone would actually notice the crap they spew. No, Bannon’s literal stated words and policies are not “lies” or
BS”, no matter how much that triggers you.

I could care less about Bannon.

So... you just want to allow anyone in the world to move here without any background investigation? What about a medical physical exam or is it that you don't mind planes packed with Ebola patients touching down at their US airport of choice?

Have you ever traveled outside of the USA? You can get into Mexico easily enough. I don't remember seeing any Mexican police/military while crossing the border into Tijuana. I think there may have been some presence crossing into Mexicali (about 100 miles east), but to get back into the US, all occupants of the car need a passport now - at least white American citizens do.

About 10 years ago, I drove several college friends from a family ski house in Vermont to Canada for dinner. However, at the border after presenting our D/Ls to Canadian police, one came back and wanted one friend to go inside with him. They came back out, 2 other cops came over near the car, my friend got in, then a Canadian Mountie appeared from somewhere and said "you 4 are OK to enter Canada, but he can't". I then asked about turning around to go back to the USA.

My friend said that they asked him about a decade+ old DUI arrest. He was never convicted, but the cop told him that he would need the Wash, DC Canadian Ambassador's approval to enter Canada.

Imagine that -- a country concerned about the types of people wanting to enter their country because they give a **** about their citizens and want to protect them. That must seem like a foreign concept to you (no pun intended). I guess you must have a real problem with all Canadians, huh?

I do not think it is much to ask for - fingerprints, a DNA swab, background and medical checks since they are coming here forever.

We're all tasked with making this country a better place for our children, not worse -- and certainly not hundreds of trillions in debt because some lunatic president like BIDEN built choo-choo trains all over the country that no one will ever ride on and give up their cars like democrats think they will.

 

[PeteEU]

Yes, the difference is the countries of origin...

Yes and no. There is a huge misconception that immigrants arriving 100 years ago were better treated than immigrants today.

Irish, Jews and others were often treated worse by locals. I mean you don't see signs saying " No dogs, no Mexicans or Muslims" today, but you did have "No Irish, no Dogs and no Jews" 100 years ago.

The only really difference is that it was far easier to immigrate 100 years ago legally, than it is now.

 

[bongsaway]

Then you are reading it wrong. being at the border is not illegal. Crossing it without following the proper procedures is.

Horsecrap. Remember the caravans? Filled with people out to do america harm, after all mexico isn't sending us their best, they are sending criminals, rapists, drug dealers etc. How quickly you folks forget?

 

[bongsaway]

My grandfather killed Germans... I think... references to grandfathers are not always appropriate.

All these parallels with the past of almost a century ago with the present work poorly.
Your grandfather went to work, and not to hang a balloon around the neck of taxpayers, and this is a big difference. If he hadn't worked, he could have starved to death, because at that time there was no such social care in the United States.

However, if Americans really want to host all the parasites of the planet, and this is the decision of the majority... that's your business.

What is that statue that sits in new york harbor called? Give us your poor etc, etc.

If you think reference to my grandfather is not always appropriate just think of how outdated our constitution is from over two hundred years ago.

 

[justabubba]

You do not want universal health care.

i am delighted to be enrolled in medicare
it works
everyone should have access to health care

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Then you are reading it wrong. being at the border is not illegal. Crossing it without following the proper procedures is.

Actually there IS NO "proper procedure" for crossing the border.

 

[Tigerace117]

I could care less about Bannon.

So... you just want to allow anyone in the world to move here without any background investigation? What about a medical physical exam or is it that you don't mind planes packed with Ebola patients touching down at their US airport of choice?

Have you ever traveled outside of the USA? You can get into Mexico easily enough. I don't remember seeing any Mexican police/military while crossing the border into Tijuana. I think there may have been some presence crossing into Mexicali (about 100 miles east), but to get back into the US, all occupants of the car need a passport now - at least white American citizens do.

About 10 years ago, I drove several college friends from a family ski house in Vermont to Canada for dinner. However, at the border after presenting our D/Ls to Canadian police, one came back and wanted one friend to go inside with him. They came back out, 2 other cops came over near the car, my friend got in, then a Canadian Mountie appeared from somewhere and said "you 4 are OK to enter Canada, but he can't". I then asked about turning around to go back to the USA.

My friend said that they asked him about a decade+ old DUI arrest. He was never convicted, but the cop told him that he would need the Wash, DC Canadian Ambassador's approval to enter Canada.

Imagine that -- a country concerned about the types of people wanting to enter their country because they give a **** about their citizens and want to protect them. That must seem like a foreign concept to you (no pun intended). I guess you must have a real problem with all Canadians, huh?

I do not think it is much to ask for - fingerprints, a DNA swab, background and medical checks since they are coming here forever.

We're all tasked with making this country a better place for our children, not worse -- and certainly not hundreds of trillions in debt because some lunatic president like BIDEN built choo-choo trains all over the country that no one will ever ride on and give up their cars like democrats think they will.

Nobody cares if you “care” about the guy. The fact remains that those opposed to immigration entirely reached the highest levels before Americans kicked Donald Trump out on his ass.

I have a problem with anti American Trump cultists pretending their bigotry is in any way, shape or form “patriotic”. I have a problem with sociopathic Trump cultists begging for help after they fought fanatically to prevent any help reaching others in the wake of natural disasters. I have a problem with the constant hysterical rage and fantasies about “communist plots” and “invasions”.

In short, no amount of personal anecdotes can change the facts, no matter you squirm.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

What is that statue that sits in new york harbor called?

It's called "La Liberté éclairant le monde".

Give us your poor etc, etc.

A poem written by a Jewish, Socialist, Feminist which is more than enough reason for all patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, patriots to totally ignore it.

If you think reference to my grandfather is not always appropriate just think of how outdated our constitution is from over two hundred years ago.

What you have to remember is that the ACTUAL past is totally irrelevant to all patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, patriots.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I could care less about Bannon.

So... you just want to allow anyone in the world to move here without any background investigation? What about a medical physical exam or is it that you don't mind planes packed with Ebola patients touching down at their US airport of choice?

Have you ever traveled outside of the USA? You can get into Mexico easily enough. I don't remember seeing any Mexican police/military while crossing the border into Tijuana. I think there may have been some presence crossing into Mexicali (about 100 miles east), but to get back into the US, all occupants of the car need a passport now - at least white American citizens do.

About 10 years ago, I drove several college friends from a family ski house in Vermont to Canada for dinner. However, at the border after presenting our D/Ls to Canadian police, one came back and wanted one friend to go inside with him. They came back out, 2 other cops came over near the car, my friend got in, then a Canadian Mountie appeared from somewhere and said "you 4 are OK to enter Canada, but he can't". I then asked about turning around to go back to the USA.

My friend said that they asked him about a decade+ old DUI arrest. He was never convicted, but the cop told him that he would need the Wash, DC Canadian Ambassador's approval to enter Canada.

Imagine that -- a country concerned about the types of people wanting to enter their country because they give a **** about their citizens and want to protect them. That must seem like a foreign concept to you (no pun intended). I guess you must have a real problem with all Canadians, huh?

I do not think it is much to ask for - fingerprints, a DNA swab, background and medical checks since they are coming here forever.

We're all tasked with making this country a better place for our children, not worse -- and certainly not hundreds of trillions in debt because some lunatic president like BIDEN built choo-choo trains all over the country that no one will ever ride on and give up their cars like democrats think they will.

I think that your memory is playing tricks on you.

The first reason is that the RCMP has absolutely no role in permitting or denying a person entry into Canada, that is handled by the CBS (and that has been the case since before 1960).

The second reason is that the "criminal record check" in Canada does NOT, unlike the US, ask if a person has ever been arrested - only if they have been convicted, that is because, in Canada, having been arrested is NOT considered evidence of criminality and you have to actually have been convicted before you are considered to have been guilty of committing a criminal act (and that has been the case since before 1960).

The third reason is that your friend's story sounds incredibly fishy. However, like the American CBS people, the Canadians have the authority to refuse entry for any reason they feel like refusing entry and that generally happens when some jerk gets obnoxious so I believe that there IS some likelihood that your friend WAS denied entry into Canada (just not for the reason that your friend told you they were).

 

[Bullseye]

Perhaps, but employers love them.

Some probably do. That's why with need a reliable E-verify system.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Some probably do. That's why with need a reliable E-verify system.

The existing "E-Verify" system is about as reliable as it can get (absent tattooing bar codes on everyone's foreheads).

The problem is that people don't use it.

This could be rectified by making it mandatory for every employer to use it.

The Republicans are 100% opposed to making it mandatory for every employer to use it.

Mind you, one other way of approaching "E-Verify" would be for the IRS to require that an employer provide an "E-Verify" clearance for any employee that they wish to deduct wages/benefits with respect to. That would not make "E-Verify" mandatory as the employer could still hire and pay people who didn't have an "E-Verify" clearance - it's just that the employer couldn't claim any deductions (which would include the "Gift Tax Deduction") with respect to those employees.

 

[Bullseye]

The existing "E-Verify" system is about as reliable as it can get (absent tattooing bar codes on everyone's foreheads).

The problem is that people don't use it.

This could be rectified by making it mandatory for every employer to use it.

The Republicans are 100% opposed to making it mandatory for every employer to use it.

Mind you, one other way of approaching "E-Verify" would be for the IRS to require that an employer provide an "E-Verify" clearance for any employee that they wish to deduct wages/benefits with respect to. That would not make "E-Verify" mandatory as the employer could still hire and pay people who didn't have an "E-Verify" clearance - it's just that the employer couldn't claim any deductions (which would include the "Gift Tax Deduction") with respect to those employees.

See, that's why I said "a reliable" E-verify system. BTW I've never seen a Republican oppose E-verify; but I've seen a lot of Dems equivocate when asked about it.

 

[Mr Person]

What says it all: they call people who show up at and/or cross the border to seek asylum "illegals".

That is explicitly allowed by US law. In fact, without much trouble they can cross and seek asylum without a year. They can seek asylum even after that, provided they can jump through some more hoops.

Meanwhile, those who overstay visas and the like are not "illegals", unless you consider yourself an "illegal" for your own civil infractions such as speeding or failing to signal before making a lane change.

Now, there is a crime of illegal re-entry, but that's a very small fraction of the total non-citizens on US soil at any given time.



At any rate, the "they" I opened by condemning are telling the most vicious lies about their own feelings about illegals. If they really cared about immigration issues, they'd make getting caught hiring illegals too expensive to be considered a "cost of business", for one thing. They sure as **** wouldn't repeatedly say "no" to Democrat bills providing billions and billions for mixed border securities and insist exclusively that we build a barrier that can be defeated by 12,000 year old technology.

Or - get this - hands and feet combined with clever climbing technique.

 

[SoCal]

Who are you comparing the southern border crossers to here when you say they face much more racism?

Immigrants from Europe.

"Majority of Latinos Say Skin Color Impacts Opportunity in America and Shapes Daily Life
Latinos with darker skin color report more discrimination experiences..."

 

[SoCal]

Yes and no. There is a huge misconception that immigrants arriving 100 years ago were better treated than immigrants today.

Irish, Jews and others were often treated worse by locals. I mean you don't see signs saying " No dogs, no Mexicans or Muslims" today, but you did have "No Irish, no Dogs and no Jews" 100 years ago.

The only really difference is that it was far easier to immigrate 100 years ago legally, than it is now.

Good point. Yes we've come a long way in 100 years thanks to social advancements and civil rights. But as sad as it is, for millions of people, their perceptions are based looks. Italians, the Irish and other white immigrants from Europe have always have been accepted more readily than immigrants from Africa, Mexico/South America and the Mideast. What's more acceptable especially by conservatives, a man wearing a kippah, or a woman wearing a hijab?...

 

[PeteEU]

Good point. Yes we've come a long way in 100 years thanks to social advancements and civil rights. But as sad as it is, for millions of people, their perceptions are based looks. Italians, the Irish and other white immigrants from Europe have always have been accepted more readily than immigrants from Africa, Mexico/South America and the Mideast. What's more acceptable especially by conservatives, a man wearing a kippah, or a woman wearing a hijab?...

You don't understand...Irish, Italians and others were discriminated as much, if not more in the early 20th century, than immigrants from Africa or South America are today.

There is a reason that Little Italy and other ghettos were created...they were not allowed to live elsewhere and were treated as second class citizens. That Italian Americans, Irish Americans and other European based immigrants are accepted today is 100 years of history.

And was the discrimination based on looks? Of course it was. Irish were often poor and dirty, so they were easy to point out. If they opened their mouths, then it was game over. Same with the Italians and others. Italians were not even seen a white "enough", much like Hispanics are today...

It is a fundamental problem in the US, that race is so big a deal. Hispanics are mostly white and yet society due to racism has put them in their own racial category along side blacks, Asians and natives.

 

[jcgriff2]

Yes and no. There is a huge misconception that immigrants arriving 100 years ago were better treated than immigrants today.

Irish, Jews and others were often treated worse by locals. I mean you don't see signs saying " No dogs, no Mexicans or Muslims" today, but you did have "No Irish, no Dogs and no Jews" 100 years ago.

The only really difference is that it was far easier to immigrate 100 years ago legally, than it is now.

New York City and others would place "NINA" in help wanted ads.

NINA = No Irish Need Apply

 

[Nickyjo]

Perhaps, but... Biden and democrats are not allowing Border Patrol officials to do their jobs to raid and prosecute the employers because the next step for the illegal aliens found at the businesses is deportation, which democrats do not want despite it being federal law.

You can't have it both ways.

Either change federal immigration laws to officially allow anyone in the world to simply move here to the USA, like BIDEN and the democrats are doing now, or enforce the federal immigration laws. It is very simple.

You lost the right to bitch about employers abusing illegal aliens when you gave your approval to the lawless president BIDEN allowing him to ignore his presidential oath by not enforcing federal laws.

What proof do you have that Biden is not enforcing immigration laws? As I understand it, he ended Trump’s illegal policy with respect to asylum seekers. That’s it. He is continuing some other Trump policies.