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Mussolini and Hitler were right wing dictators

OK Torus, there is an easy test to see if someone is not a cookie cutter devout establishment leftist. All you have to do is criticize Joe Biden beyond what is already acceptable to the establishment. For example, saying Joe Biden is too old doesn't count. Can you criticize Joe Biden for anything?

Hi again, Tear.

I can not only criticize President Joseph Biden, but also Vice-President Kamala Harris, Mr. Donald Trump, and any number of political figures. All will have done things and made statements which can be seen in a poor light. I do not usually go about criticizing people of whatever political stripe unless they have done something which impacts negatively on H. sapiens. An example would be cutting out a program of the government which has as its function improving the nutrition of the poorest of our children.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
Hi again, Tear.

I can not only criticize President Joseph Biden, but also Vice-President Kamala Harris, Mr. Donald Trump, and any number of political figures. All will have done things and made statements which can be seen in a poor light. I do not usually go about criticizing people of whatever political stripe unless they have done something which impacts negatively on H. sapiens. An example would be cutting out a program of the government which has as its function improving the nutrition of the poorest of our children.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
Tell me one specific thing about Biden that you don't like. For example, a cookie cutter establishment leftist would never say "I think Joe just might be corrupt and has benefited from the family influence peddling scheme." A true leftist is physically unable to say something like that. Or, Joe Biden has done a pisspoor job and it was a mistake to elect him. Can you do that? For the record, Trump sucks and I prefer Tulsi Gabbard.
 
No, they were much closer to the left than the right: expansive government, centralized political authority, national industrial policy, anti-competition, anti-markets, and largely intolerant of differing political views.
Hi Nat, I enjoy reading your posts. I'd have to disagree with you here - they were nationalistic and by their own words, right-wing. They became violently authoritarian and hostile toward other people (and nations) who didn't go along to get along. This can happen on the left or right - as history has clearly demonstrated. It is the militarized, violent, authoritarian uprising they defines such times and in my opinion, has no relation to whether these were self described left or right-wingers at the time.
 
Hi Nat, I enjoy reading your posts. I'd have to disagree with you here - they were nationalistic and by their own words, right-wing. They became violently authoritarian and hostile toward other people (and nations) who didn't go along to get along. This can happen on the left or right - as history has clearly demonstrated. It is the militarized, violent, authoritarian uprising they defines such times and in my opinion, has no relation to whether these were self described left or right-wingers at the time.
Thanks, but if you say "it can happen on the left and the right" then calling it right or left wing doesn't really make any sense.

I stand by my earlier statement. Modern-day liberalism is closer to fascism than is small government conservatism. If you don't want to call small government conservatism "right wing," I'm okay with that.
 
Tell me one specific thing about Biden that you don't like. For example, a cookie cutter establishment leftist would never say "I think Joe just might be corrupt and has benefited from the family influence peddling scheme." A true leftist is physically unable to say something like that. Or, Joe Biden has done a pisspoor job and it was a mistake to elect him. Can you do that? For the record, Trump sucks and I prefer Tulsi Gabbard.

Hi, for the last time on this thread, Tear.

I'm sorry, but I don't post here in order to appease your pigeon-holing efforts. In addition, I don't make blanket scatological comments such as those you've suggested.

Regards, best holiday wishes to you and yours.
 
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Thanks, but if you say "it can happen on the left and the right" then calling it right or left wing doesn't really make any sense.

I stand by my earlier statement. Modern-day liberalism is closer to fascism than is small government conservatism. If you don't want to call small government conservatism "right wing," I'm okay with that.
Well, you hit the nail on the head. I really don't see a big difference in left/right policies insofar as they are not well-defined by any set of concrete principles. Any position can be argued with rationalization "after-the-fact" to be supportable by either "team". I'd highly recommend reading:

The Myth of Left and Right: How the Political Spectrum Misleads and Harms America

by Verlan Lewis, Hyrum Lewis

I found this to be perspective-shifting and very interesting to say the least.
Be well.
 
Thanks, but if you say "it can happen on the left and the right" then calling it right or left wing doesn't really make any sense.

I stand by my earlier statement. Modern-day liberalism is closer to fascism than is small government conservatism. If you don't want to call small government conservatism "right wing," I'm okay with that.
Your statement is false based on making up definitions and claims about liberalism

You re basically trying to BS your way into getting the conclusion you want
 
Your statement is false based on making up definitions and claims about liberalism
I've made up nothing. If you think I have, please cite the post and the statement.

You re basically trying to BS your way into getting the conclusion you want
No, I think you're lying, and how you respond to the request above will likely prove that. The ball is in your court.
 
I've made up nothing. If you think I have, please cite the post and the statement.
Pretty much every post were you try to claim authoritarianism is the defining point of left right and when you claim liberalism is authoritarian
No, I think you're lying, and how you respond to the request above will likely prove that. The ball is in your court.
No the ball is in your court (has been since the moment you made your claims)
You keep making these claims and you dont even try to back them up
 
Pretty much every post were you try to claim authoritarianism is the defining point of left right and when you claim liberalism is authoritarian
Fail.

You don't have a cite to give because there isn't one.


No the ball is in your court (has been since the moment you made your claims)
You keep making these claims and you dont even try to back them up
No, I've just proven you were lying.

We're done.
 
Thanks, but if you say "it can happen on the left and the right" then calling it right or left wing doesn't really make any sense.
It only makes sense if your primary goal is to slander the people on the other side of the political divide.
 
Fail.

You don't have a cite to give because there isn't one.
FAIL!!!!
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Modern-day liberalism is closer to fascism than is small government conservatism.
See also post #3 your very first post on this thread
No, they were much closer to the left than the right: expansive government, centralized political authority, national industrial policy, anti-competition, anti-markets, and largely intolerant of differing political views.
No, I've just proven you were lying.

We're done.
See above the only thing you have proven is that you cant support your BS claims
 
FAIL!!!!
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See also post #3 your very first post on this thread


See above the only thing you have proven is that you cant support your BS claims
You're lying again. Cite the passages and explain which words you think are "made up?" I think you're bluffing and cannot. Your next post will tell.
 
You're lying again. Cite the passages and explain which words you think are "made up?" I think you're bluffing and cannot. Your next post will tell.
I never said you made up words I said you made up definitions and I explained what definitions you made up
I literally cited your posts in the post you quoted but you want to pretend I didnt because you are being intellectually dishonest in an attempt to divert from your inability to support your BS claims
We all know you will never ever try to back up your claims
 
I never said you made up words I said you made up definitions and I explained what definitions you made up
I literally cited your posts in the post you quoted but you want to pretend I didnt because you are being intellectually dishonest in an attempt to divert from your inability to support your BS claims
We all know you will never ever try to back up your claims
I told you you couldn't cite the passages.

Do you enjoy getting exposed for lying so publically?
 
I told you you couldn't cite the passages.
Did you even read my post
Who are you trying to deceive, yourself?
Do you enjoy getting exposed for lying so publically?
Lol you literally did that to yourself

Clearly have have no intention of even trying to defend your absolute BS claims because even you know you cant.
 
Hitler and Mussolini Were Right Wing.
Lots of right wingers try to claim Hitler and Mussolini Were left wing. When in reality they said they were right wing.
I am centre-left.
I am against the far-right.
I support democracy, peace, and the best of capitalism and socialism.

I would like to point out Hitler and Mussolini admitted themselves they were right wing.
This is a taken from a speech by Adolf Hitler, April 12, 1921
'There are only two possibilities in Germany; do not imagine that the people will forever go with the middle party, the party of compromises; one day it will turn to those who have most consistently foretold the coming ruin and have sought to dissociate themselves from it. And that party is either the Left: and then God help us! for it will lead us to complete destruction - to Bolshevism, or else it is a party of the Right which at the last, when the people is in utter despair, when it has lost all its spirit and has no longer any faith in anything, is determined for its part ruthlessly to seize the reins of power - that is the beginning of resistance of which I spoke a few minutes ago. Here, too, there can be no compromise - there are only two possibilities: either victory of the Aryan or annihilation of the Aryan and the victory of the Jew.'
So that shows that Hitler saw himself and his ideology as right wing.
Mussolini wrote in The Doctrine of Fascism, ‘doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the right, a Fascist century’..
So that shows Mussolini saw himself as right wing.
The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany”. Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.
Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer’s election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves “The Children of the New Age of World Order” and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as “The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred”. Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a “Conservative Reactionary”. Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a “New World Order”.

Hitler said, "we are socialists". Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as “right wing fanatics”.

Yes, indeed, I remember the Nazis and they weren’t Republicans, or “right wing”, or “patriots” or “militias”. They were Socialist monsters.

Thomas Colton Ruthford, Letter to the Editor, 6/7/95, Arlington, Washington Times

edited to less than 3 paragraphs by neo publius
 
The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany”. Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.
Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After der fuhrer’s election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves “The Children of the New Age of World Order” and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler accrued more power, he referred to his critics as “The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred”. Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a “Conservative Reactionary”. Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a “New World Order”.

Hitler said, "we are socialists". Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as “right wing fanatics”.

Yes, indeed, I remember the Nazis and they weren’t Republicans, or “right wing”, or “patriots” or “militias”. They were Socialist monsters.

Thomas Colton Ruthford, Letter to the Editor, 6/7/95, Arlington, Washington Times

edited to less than 3 paragraphs by neo publius
When did the Nazis nationalize manufacturing?
 
I made the mistake of calling Hitler a 'left-wing socialist' at the latest neo-Nazi event I attended and barely made it out alive.

The moral of the story is, "Be careful where you say such a thing."

MAGA.
 
When did the Nazis nationalize manufacturing?
Hitlers 25 points clearly state that in 1920;
The Nazi Party Platform was a 25-point program for the creation of a Nazi state and society. Hitler presented the program at the Hofbräuhaus Beerhall in Munich, Germany on February 24, 1920.
 
I made the mistake of calling Hitler a 'left-wing socialist' at the latest neo-Nazi event I attended and barely made it out alive.

The moral of the story is, "Be careful where you say such a thing."

MAGA.
I don't have to say it; Hitler said it himself. This is part of the history re-write they are attempting because they incorporate Goebbel's methods.
 
Hitlers 25 points clearly state that in 1920;
The Nazi Party Platform was a 25-point program for the creation of a Nazi state and society. Hitler presented the program at the Hofbräuhaus Beerhall in Munich, Germany on February 24, 1920.
That as a non answer let me try again
When did the Nazis nationalize manufacturing?
 
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