Mussolini and Hitler were right wing dictators

[element94]

it isn't trying to say a lot it's doing everything but that.
they said it themselves you can lie to yourself all you want.

No disarming is the goal. What makes you think they'll stop their death by A thousand cuts at cut 623

Still no link backing up what you are saying.

 

[NatMorton]

It has already been refuted; right wing governments, political factions, and organization have never had any issue using centralized political authority power to pursue right wing agendas.

You have to invent a segmentation of the right wing in order to ignore all that so you can pretend that "small government conservatism" sits on a pedestal unrelated to any other form of right wing politics.

You *have* to pretend this, because otherwise your entire argument falls apart, but all it really does is highlight your lack of understanding of politics, ideology, and history.

No, it hasn't been refuted because you, and others, keep substituting "right wing" for what I said, which was "small government conservatives." Either you'll address my point (and not the one stuck in your head) or you will not. I don't care either way, but when you try to move the goal posts I'll call you on it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Still no link backing up what you are saying.

So either you don't think Biden is the president or you don't think he knows what he's saying.

 

[element94]

So either you don't think Biden is the president or you don't think he knows what he's saying.

No, I'm still waiting for you to show me what you are talking about.

 

[CLAX1911]

No, I'm still waiting for you to show me what you are talking about.

I'm talking about something the president said.

 

[iguanaman]

That's a Trump-like exaggeration.

It could be worse. You could have called Trump a fascist, which is clearly false but haters still say it.
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What makes you say Trump is not fascist in his demeanor? Does he not call for unbridled loyalty and the ability to do anything he commands under penalty of death? That is what fascism requires. An all powerful leader whose word cannot be questioned.

 

[iguanaman]

The "Left" can be just as authoritarian as the "Right". The fact that you cannot see that says more about you than anything else.

So who on the left is claiming that an all powerful leader is the only way to fix America? That is a right wing fantasy. I do not think you know what "authoritarian" means.

 

[Quag]

I’ve invented nothing. When you can muster a logical, well reasoned argument against my point, let me know.

No you have tried to define right as less authoritarian and left as more authoritarian
You have then tried to pretend that liberals are for more authoritarian govts.
The founding fathers were to the left of the monarchy or are you going to claim the monarchy was liberal?

 

[iguanaman]

No you have tried to define right as less authoritarian and left as more authoritarian
You have then tried to pretend that liberals are for more authoritarian govts.
The founding fathers were to the left of the monarchy or are you going to claim the monarchy was liberal?

They either do not know that authoritarian means or they are lying. There is only one party that wants to give all the power to one man and it is the GOP.

 

[iguanaman]

No, it hasn't been refuted because you, and others, keep substituting "right wing" for what I said, which was "small government conservatives." Either you'll address my point (and not the one stuck in your head) or you will not. I don't care either way, but when you try to move the goal posts I'll call you on it.

Stop making up stuff. There is no such thing as "small Govt. Conservatives anymore. They are dinosaurs if they ever really existed. I don't think they ever did. The only time the GOP ever talked about "smaller Govt." was when they are not in power and now they are looking to remain in power indefinitely.

 

[Jredbaron96]

No, it hasn't been refuted because you

Yes it has.

and others, keep substituting "right wing" for what I said, which was "small government conservatives." Either you'll address my point (and not the one stuck in your head) or you will not. I don't care either way, but when you try to move the goal posts I'll call you on it.

Your entire argument rests on a nonsensical personal attempt to redefine and segment terminology and ideologies that have been around far longer than you in an effort to avoid calling a spade a spade. Screech "small government conservatism" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that Nazism and fascism were right wing ideologies, and your efforts to suggest otherwise are based on a false understanding of ideologies and political history.

 

[NatMorton]

No you have tried to define right as less authoritarian and left as more authoritarian
You have then tried to pretend that liberals are for more authoritarian govts.
The founding fathers were to the left of the monarchy or are you going to claim the monarchy was liberal?

I have said small government conservatism. And yes, relative to principles of government I seek, liberals are very much more authoritarian.

 

[NatMorton]

Stop making up stuff. There is no such thing as "small Govt. Conservatives anymore. They are dinosaurs if they ever really existed. I don't think they ever did. The only time the GOP ever talked about "smaller Govt." was when they are not in power and now they are looking to remain in power indefinitely.

I’m one.

 

[Quag]

I have said small government conservatism. And yes, relative to principles of government I seek, liberals are very much more authoritarian.

Small govt conservatives are closer to liberals than liberals are to fascists
Fascism is, was and will remain a right wing ideology

 

[Jay59]

What makes you say Trump is not fascist in his demeanor?

There is nothing that does. He does not control the media. He does not use law enforcement to harass and intimidate.

Trump is closer to Heinrich Vogeler and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the vocal dissenters, than to the Nazi establishment.

Does he not call for unbridled loyalty and the ability to do anything he commands under penalty of death?

No.

That is what fascism requires.

You would know about that.

An all powerful leader whose word cannot be questioned.

No reasonable person ever claimed that Trump could not be questioned.

 

[CLAX1911]

What makes you say Trump is not fascist in his demeanor?

lack of fascism.

I think fascism has just replaced the phrase I do but like or I do not agree with

 

[iguanaman]

lack of fascism.

I think fascism has just replaced the phrase I do but like or I do not agree with

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Do you really need me to go down the list of Trump's statements and match them up with the above definition? Or can you actually think for yourself?

 

[CLAX1911]

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Do you really need me to go down the list of Trump's statements and match them up with the above definition? Or can you actually think for yourself?

I don't give a shit about statements. Fascism isn't words.

 

[HK.227]

This thread is the classicical example of "I don't identify as a Nazi, thus Nazis must belong to the group I don't identify as!"

Nazis weren't bad because they were right- or left-wing. They were bad because they were extremist and didn't respect the rights of the individual.

 

[Big Brother]

There is nothing that does. He does not control the media. He does not use law enforcement to harass and intimidate.

Trump is closer to Heinrich Vogeler and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, the vocal dissenters, than to the Nazi establishment.


No.


You would know about that.


No reasonable person ever claimed that Trump could not be questioned.

Today words have been co-opted for use as propaganda tools to sway people to believe something that is not true. Like the word democracy. The fascism that happened in Italy and Germany in the 20's and 30's is defined by and relevant to the events of that time. What is happening today deserves a new name to reflect what is happening today in America. The government no longer functions for the people, it functions for the benefit of the plutocracy. The press no longer functions for the people, it functions to protect the plutocracy. The sad truth is both sides of American politics are being played to believe the other side is the root of all the problems, and are so engrossed in that political battle they never stop to realize that they are being played to hide the plutocracy from culpability, so the plutocracy goes on benefiting itself unhindered. By now the ideological battle is so prevalent that very few can be swayed to join ranks and go after the real culprits.

Now, you leftists are just going to argue against your own best interest and go on blaming everything on Trump. But before you deny everything, read what the NY Progressive Action Network has to say. If liberal academics discovered the government functions for the plutocracy and not the people, will you believe it then? Probably not. Go on being a pawn in your own demise.

 

[Jay59]

Today words have been co-opted for use as propaganda tools to sway people to believe something that is not true. Like the word democracy. The fascism that happened in Italy and Germany in the 20's and 30's is defined by and relevant to the events of that time. What is happening today deserves a new name to reflect what is happening today in America. The government no longer functions for the people, it functions for the benefit of the plutocracy. The press no longer functions for the people, it functions to protect the plutocracy. The sad truth is both sides of American politics are being played to believe the other side is the root of all the problems, and are so engrossed in that political battle they never stop to realize that they are being played to hide the plutocracy from culpability, so the plutocracy goes on benefiting itself unhindered. By now the ideological battle is so prevalent that very few can be swayed to join ranks and go after the real culprits.

Now, you leftists are just going to argue against your own best interest and go on blaming everything on Trump. But before you deny everything, read what the NY Progressive Action Network has to say. If liberal academics discovered the government functions for the plutocracy and not the people, will you believe it then? Probably not. Go on being a pawn in your own demise.

That's new. I have not been called leftist recently.

The government never worked for the people. Corruption and favor currying have been rampant throughout history.

 

[element94]

I'm talking about something the president said.

Yeah, and I keep asking for you to give me a relevant link that cites what you are talking about.

 

[Big Brother]

That's new. I have not been called leftist recently.

The government never worked for the people. Corruption and favor currying have been rampant throughout history.

No Jay59, you're not a leftist at all, in fact you are one of the few brave ones here who are not afraid to post something critical of the establishment here. There's only about 10 or so left here at DP, and all the rest are devout cookie cutter leftists who scour this forum looking for anything that is against their beloved establishment so that they can attack it and call the poster a MAGAt. The second paragraph was meant for them, not you.

 

[Torus34]

No Jay59, you're not a leftist at all, in fact you are one of the few brave ones here who are not afraid to post something critical of the establishment here. There's only about 10 or so left here at DP, and all the rest are devout cookie cutter leftists who scour this forum looking for anything that is against their beloved establishment so that they can attack it and call the poster a MAGAt. The second paragraph was meant for them, not you.

Hi, Tear.

There may be a few others not covered in the above post.

I'm a self-described secular humanitarian. As such, I'm a member of neither the red nor the blue tribe. [I prefer to think of our bifurcated politically-concerned citizens as belonging to tribes. It's more accurate than designating them as Republican, Democrat, conservative or liberal. An issue position held by, say, the 'liberals' may become the 'conservative' position in the next election cycle.]

My concern, at bottom, is with H. sapiens qua H. sapiens. I view each issue from that perspective.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[Big Brother]

Hi, Tear.

There may be a few others not covered in the above post.

I'm a self-described secular humanitarian. As such, I'm a member of neither the red nor the blue tribe. [I prefer to think of our bifurcated politically-concerned citizens as belonging to tribes. It's more accurate than designating them as Republican, Democrat, conservative or liberal. An issue position held by, say, the 'liberals' may become the 'conservative' position in the next election cycle.]

My concern, at bottom, is with H. sapiens qua H. sapiens. I view each issue from that perspective.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

OK Torus, there is an easy test to see if someone is not a cookie cutter devout establishment leftist. All you have to do is criticize Joe Biden beyond what is already acceptable to the establishment. For example, saying Joe Biden is too old doesn't count. Can you criticize Joe Biden for anything?